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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 7:55:07 GMT -6
So getting back to the super heavy not made yet denim..... I was thinking of getting in on this just for the uniqueness of it, but they raised prices and it's now $189  At that price point I'm better off looking elsewhere Knowing what we know now, I don't think I'd even back the Gustin Beasts if they came back. Why wait months (years maybe with LD?) for heavy denim when you can get it in days at similar price points from better manufacturers. |
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Post by ickes on Apr 2, 2015 13:16:31 GMT -6
So getting back to the super heavy not made yet denim..... I was thinking of getting in on this just for the uniqueness of it, but they raised prices and it's now $189 At that price point I'm better off looking elsewhere Knowing what we know now, I don't think I'd even back the Gustin Beasts if they came back. Why wait months (years maybe with LD?) for heavy denim when you can get it in days at similar price points from better manufacturers. THIS. I STRONGLY CONCUR. If the Beasts ever came back I would not back them as you can pick up some Iron Hearts off Rakuten for not much more. The difference in quality between my Beasts and Iron Hearts is night and day. |
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Post by tim on Apr 8, 2015 7:39:12 GMT -6
If they started to count down from 200 they only sold seven jeans so far. That leads me to two questions:
1. How many orders do they need untill they really want to produce the fabric?
2. Is there anyone here that was crazy enough to order them (besides me)?
Well, actually there are a few more questions.
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Post by wisdom on Apr 8, 2015 7:54:40 GMT -6
They didn't start at 200.. if you go back through this thread, I'm pretty sure you will find at least 7 people who backed. I'm sure we don't represent the majority of backers, either.
If my impression of Lawless logic is correct, they aren't pinning the production of material to a set demand threshold. That would take discipline, and we've concluded that G doesn't even adhere to their own model with discipline. It is more likely they will make (or have made/are making) fabric now and will figure out how to deal with it later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 7:59:42 GMT -6
If they started to count down from 200 they only sold seven jeans so far. That leads me to two questions: 1. How many orders do they need untill they really want to produce the fabric? 2. Is there anyone here that was crazy enough to order them (besides me)? Well, actually there are a few more questions. 1. Well, they're an MTO company, or supposed to be anyways. So it shouldn't matter how many orders they take. If they offer it, they should make it. 2. If you have the KS discount, then no, you're not crazy. If not, then maybe. Maybe you are. |
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Post by bigblack on Apr 8, 2015 8:27:43 GMT -6
If they started to count down from 200 they only sold seven jeans so far. That leads me to two questions: 1. How many orders do they need untill they really want to produce the fabric? 2. Is there anyone here that was crazy enough to order them (besides me)? Well, actually there are a few more questions. I put in an order for a jacket the day they released the 24 oz fabric and I don't have the KS discount |
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Post by tim on Apr 8, 2015 8:34:27 GMT -6
They didn't start at 200.. if you go back through this thread, I'm pretty sure you will find at least 7 people who backed. I'm sure we don't represent the majority of backers, either. If my impression of Lawless logic is correct, they aren't pinning the production of material to a set demand threshold. That would take discipline, and we've concluded that G doesn't even adhere to their own model with discipline. It is more likely they will make (or have made/are making) fabric now and will figure out how to deal with it later. It would be nice if they produce the fabric anyway. I was just wondering because the counter only went from 197 after I ordered three weeks ago to 193 today. |
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Post by wisdom on Apr 8, 2015 17:28:31 GMT -6
They didn't start at 200.. if you go back through this thread, I'm pretty sure you will find at least 7 people who backed. I'm sure we don't represent the majority of backers, either. If my impression of Lawless logic is correct, they aren't pinning the production of material to a set demand threshold. That would take discipline, and we've concluded that G doesn't even adhere to their own model with discipline. It is more likely they will make (or have made/are making) fabric now and will figure out how to deal with it later. It would be nice if they produce the fabric anyway. I was just wondering because the counter only went from 197 after I ordered three weeks ago to 193 today. There was a time that 1000 pairs were available, if I'm not mistaken.. they may have adjusted either their forecasts or our perception of scarcity. |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 9, 2015 1:36:47 GMT -6
I gotta say that I would love to have these jeans and also the Jap 23oz since the cut fits me better then any other jeans Ive tried, and I seem to be in the minority but I love the tripple inside seam stitch. I just see no arrival date in sight for sucha long time that I will wait until and if, they ever speed up the process. Im not the type that holds a grudge forever, unless they screw me over, then its personal, but if shipping times would come to a steady stream I would not hesitate getting a pair in the future. To me its all about what I can get for my money, and sure I can get IronHeart, but I seldom use the ones I have beause they dont fit good. Somewhere on the top 4 reasons to get a certain jeans is the fit. Money, fabric, leadtime might be the other 3. Some jeans i get for soley the fabric or quality, but I cant have only these types. Gotta fit, but also gotta get them sometime  |
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Post by ickes on Apr 9, 2015 9:54:22 GMT -6
I agree Griffin, fit is pretty damn important, probably the most important thing. For me it's the opposite of you though, my two best fitting pairs are my Iron Hearts and my Onis and my Lawless are my absolute worst fitting pairs. |
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Post by tim on Apr 10, 2015 1:20:48 GMT -6
I gotta say that I would love to have these jeans and also the Jap 23oz since the cut fits me better then any other jeans Ive tried, and I seem to be in the minority but I love the tripple inside seam stitch. I just see no arrival date in sight for sucha long time that I will wait until and if, they ever speed up the process. Im not the type that holds a grudge forever, unless they screw me over, then its personal, but if shipping times would come to a steady stream I would not hesitate getting a pair in the future. To me its all about what I can get for my money, and sure I can get IronHeart, but I seldom use the ones I have beause they dont fit good. Somewhere on the top 4 reasons to get a certain jeans is the fit. Money, fabric, leadtime might be the other 3. Some jeans i get for soley the fabric or quality, but I cant have only these types. Gotta fit, but also gotta get them sometime I experienced the same. The Lawless 18.5 oz slim straight I have is the best fitting pair I own. This is why I decided to order the 24 oz and learn another lesson of patience. If everything goes right it's going to be an awesome pair of jeans for me. At the time I ordered I was able to use a 50% code on the old price of $157. So if they make it right I will get a lot for my money. |
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Post by mkeview on Apr 28, 2015 11:41:38 GMT -6
I was just checking their site. Can anyone find it being offered?
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Post by davelewis on Apr 28, 2015 12:03:36 GMT -6
I was just checking their site. Can anyone find it being offered? I just can't see this experiment not having a bad outcome, and at the expense of the good folks that bought in here. To be able to start from scratch, and produce quality heavy denim, without having the ability to even get out a pair of jeans in 6 months seems like a stretch to me. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Apr 28, 2015 15:15:14 GMT -6
Sorry guys but at this point you just need to know better. Having a site put up and then selling something that isnt even close to being done is borderline crazy. It looks like what was put up wasnt thought out past a day dream of the idea |
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Post by davelewis on Apr 28, 2015 15:28:24 GMT -6
Most folks are unaware that a sanforization maching runs around a million bucks, and several hundred thousand, for a used one. Now its going to take a lot of 1/2 off sales, to bring in that kind of jack. Of course, LD would say that they are only going to do loomstate only, LOL
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Apr 28, 2015 15:39:51 GMT -6
Most folks are unaware that a sanforization maching runs around a million bucks, and several hundred thousand, for a used one. Now its going to take a lot of 1/2 off sales, to bring in that kind of jack. Of course, LD would say that they are only going to do loomstate only, LOL What about the dying and cutting . I have car but no tires |
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Post by wisdom on Apr 28, 2015 15:52:51 GMT -6
Hey, Dirty_Denim .. by "know better," do you mean "never," or "eventually?" I can't wear them in Singapore, anyway.. but maybe when I move back to the west in 15 years. =/ |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Apr 28, 2015 16:02:36 GMT -6
Hey, Dirty_Denim .. by "know better," do you mean "never," or "eventually?" I can't wear them in Singapore, anyway.. but maybe when I move back to the west in 15 years. =/ He has all intentions of making what he says BUT he tends to open his mouth way to fast. By using good news as a deflector all u do is make things worse. Deal with the issue at hand and then come out with something like 24oz when its ready. Now u have upset customers who are waiting as well as this new thing to add on. |
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Post by mkeview on Apr 29, 2015 10:14:58 GMT -6
According to LD they sold out. I guess we'll see...
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Post by davelewis on Apr 29, 2015 11:17:32 GMT -6
According to LD they sold out. I guess we'll see... Funny how you can sell out of something that is a pipe dream. |
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Post by doctorcowboy on Apr 29, 2015 13:03:52 GMT -6
According to LD they sold out. I guess we'll see... Hahahahahaha! No. Their inventory initially started at 1,500 on the jeans. I saw it go down to 1,453. Then, when they started offering the denim in jackets as well as jeans, they shifted the inventory down to 1,000 each. It was reported that the jeans were at 982 for jeans and 995 for jackets. I don't remember the last numbers that I actually saw on the site but they weren't far off from those. Then, the inventory shifted down to 200 each. I don't recall seeing the jeans drop below 193 and I'm not sure about the jackets. I'm pretty sure that they were jiggering with the inventory numbers the entire time. Especially since the inventory numbers would remain static for weeks at a time, then drop considerably (1,500 to 1,000 to 200) out of nowhere. Also, from the sounds of it, the Tuscon factory is not up and running, which is where the fabric was to be loomed and where these were to be sewn up. Now, it may be that they've got folks there looming, but no sewers, so the factory wouldn't be "running" per say. But, I don't think it's going out on a limb by saying that they aren't looming or sewing in Tuscon, and likely won't be in the foreseeable future. Of course, maybe they were able to make a few yards of the fabric before giving up. But, if they did, it's not enough to match the inventory numbers originally noted on their site, and likely not enough to fulfill the few orders that were placed. (pure speculation based on past performance - delete if necessary Mods) I am wondering though: has anyone who put in a purchase for the jeans or jackets received any updates/communication? I think I know the answer, but I am curious. |
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Post by tim on Apr 29, 2015 14:11:31 GMT -6
I ordered a pair of the 24 oz and haven't heard anything from them yet.
I wonder why they also don't sell the 23 oz anymore. They were supposed to have 200 each.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Apr 30, 2015 9:29:05 GMT -6
I ordered a pair of the 24 oz and haven't heard anything from them yet. I wonder why they also don't sell the 23 oz anymore. They were supposed to have 200 each. Maybe they will fill orders with that so it was pulled . Maybe it was 1st stated that the weight could come out in different ranges so they could just buy some heavy stuff and sell it as theirs...MAYBE JUST MAYBE. THIS IS NOT A FACT |
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Post by wisdom on Apr 30, 2015 18:59:20 GMT -6
Plausible, and given LD's rep, maybe even probable. The selvage ID would be different, not that that's ever stopped them before.. and I'm not sure Supima would want their name on an imposter's fabric.
Maybe they got some big ass order from some retail outfit or maybe they figured they could churn out only enough for a couple hundred items.
Welcome to LD, where everything in the store is a grab bag.. (cue the pic)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 19:42:35 GMT -6
LOL
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