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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 12:13:11 GMT -6
I am a hard gainer plus not liking to eat is a big problem for me to pack on any meaningful muscle. Not a gym rat but very discipline on going to the gym at least 3-4 times/week. Looking for a new workout routine, supplement and meal plan to pack some lean muscle for the next summer. Any good suggestion? Currently, I am at 16% BF... not horrible for a guy in mid to late 40's. But definitely want to get to the low teens... Here are the supplements that I am taking at my office. Couple more at home, including ERASE and D-POL that I am not currently taking.
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Post by ickes on Nov 19, 2014 14:09:15 GMT -6
@wils, first thing you need to pick up is a high protein muscle gainer, I recommend Dymatize Elite Mass. A lot of gainers are loaded with sugar, Elite Mass is not, it's the best weight gainer I've used. I'm a hardgainer myself so I can relate.
The second thing, what's your diet like? How many meals are you eating a day? How many calories are you consuming?
I have a great workout plan for you I can email you.
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Post by ickes on Nov 19, 2014 14:17:45 GMT -6
@wils diet and workout plan will be your two biggest tools for gaining mass. Supplements are just that, a supplement. I've seen some of my best gains just supplementing with a multivitamin and protein.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 14:21:18 GMT -6
@wils, first thing you need to pick up is a high protein muscle gainer, I recommend Dymatize Elite Mass. A lot of gainers are loaded with sugar, Elite Mass is not, it's the best weight gainer I've used. I'm a hardgainer myself so I can relate. The second thing, what's your diet like? How many meals are you eating a day? How many calories are you consuming? I have a great workout plan for you I can email you. Sounds good. PM'ing you.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 19, 2014 16:26:39 GMT -6
@wils, first thing you need to pick up is a high protein muscle gainer, I recommend Dymatize Elite Mass. A lot of gainers are loaded with sugar, Elite Mass is not, it's the best weight gainer I've used. I'm a hardgainer myself so I can relate. The second thing, what's your diet like? How many meals are you eating a day? How many calories are you consuming? I have a great workout plan for you I can email you. Hey, Ickes.. can you post your plan or PM it my way, too? I've been doing the same rotation of muscle groups since college while mixing up the specific exercises on occasion. Feel pretty fit, but don't gain strength as much as I'd like and wouldn't mind seeing some ideas.
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Post by ickes on Nov 19, 2014 16:33:49 GMT -6
wisdom, absolutely. I will PM both you and @wils later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:57:06 GMT -6
Didn't they ban Oxyelite Pro? That was my go to appetite suppressant. None of the stores in my area carry it, and they stopped selling it at Bodybuilding.com. I had better results with the original formula though. I need to get back on the grind as well. The last few months have been no bueno. My diet plan usually consists of intermittent fasting, taking BCAAs in the morning and during the lifting session, and eating a lot of Peruvian chicken and yuca post workout. ickes can you PM your workout plan? I have workout ADD and wouldn't mind seeing what's given you so much success, MattIckes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:25:02 GMT -6
Yeah, I bought my bottle of the Oxyelite Pro right before the banned. I still have it unopened after I read all those reviews. Not helping much on anything but it still has some side effects. It is just sitting in my office today....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:09:45 GMT -6
Yeah, I bought my bottle of the Oxyelite Pro right before the banned. I still have it unopened after I read all those reviews. Not helping much on anything but it still has some side effects. It is just sitting in my office today.... That stuff is legit if you take it on a two month cycle. Kills your appetite, and as long as you don't do any intense exercise or are under a great deal of stress, you'll be good to go. I went from 15% to 10% body fat in a couple months, on OEP. Absolutely murders your appetite, so you can IF easy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 21:03:21 GMT -6
devastitis, wow... I will try it next summer during my cutting then. thanks.
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Post by Winterland on Nov 19, 2014 22:54:34 GMT -6
My getting in shape story. I had always been fairly lean but getting older brings on a slowing metabolism. I was not getting much exercise sitting on my butt in the recording studio every day. Slowly I was gaining some weight and before you know it was 30lbs heavier than I should be. I actually first started a routine by using a Wii fit video game which has many great body weight exercises and also tracks everything for you. Simple. I watched my eating. Overall it is common sense. Eat less calories than you burn to lose weight, more when bulking and your maintenance, what your body burns each day keeping you alive, when wanting to stay the same. Eating nutritious food is the key. Got a great book Eating Clean for Dummies. Lost weight and gained muscle and overall got in better shape. Felt better with more energy in general. I then wanted to get more muscle as muscle burns more calories than fat and I like to eat. I did get a bench and weights. Buy used from Craigslist. There are people selling exercise gear all the time. Many buy the gear try it and then quit. I started by getting info from www.bodybuilding.com It is a huge website/forum but has a lot of great info. I started with the Starting Strength routine. forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224I warm up with a treadmill run and also finish with a run followed by stretching. I kept supplements to a minimum. Beware it is a huge industry. Most are not needed. You can trim it down to what actually works and get things in bulk at a reasonable price. A good protein/whey powder creatine fish oil multi vitamin I did add a intraworkout powder when cutting. Also caffeine preworkout. coffee then moved to pills. cheap and works great. After a year I moved to a HST routine and have been doing it since. Varying the amount of weight and repetitions. thinkmuscle.com/community/threads/hst-for-dummies.14491/I did bulking in the fall/winter and cutting spring/summer over a period of 4 years. I am not going to gain as much this winter as I feel I am good as far as muscle. I am not real big muscle wise and never wanted to be but I am lean and in shape and can lift as much now as when I was 25 lbs heavier bulked up. The main thing is just starting any kind of exercise. You need to get in motion. Body weight exercises are great. No equipment needed. Eating is most important of all as you can exercise all you want and still be fat and unhealthy. Eating good nutritious food that tastes great will help you feel great, prolong your life and keep you out of the doctors office.
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Post by ickes on Nov 20, 2014 1:49:08 GMT -6
So guys, I'm not sure what everyone's goal is here but I am a hardgainer so my goal has always been to add lean, quality mass to my body. I hover around 6-8% body fat depending on the time of year and gaining quality muscle is always a challenge for my ecto/mesomorph body type. I've been working out in one way or another for about 20 years now and recently came to a point where I hit a plateu. The workout I'm doing now has really pushed me over that plateu and I've gained 10 lbs of lean mass at this point. The workout I am doing is the Arnold Blueprint for Mass; www.bodybuilding.com/fun/arnold-schwarzenegger-blueprint-trainer-day-1.htmlNow, some may think this workout is just a marketing ploy between Arnold and bodybuilding.com to sell Arnolds new line of supplements made by Muscle Pharm. Well you know what, who cares if it is because TRUST ME, this routine works. The name of the game with this routine is muscle confusion and extreme intensity. You will also employ the techniques of the stripping method, the 1-10 method, the max out method, and supersets. If you consider yourself a beginner or intermediate weight lifter I would not attempt this routine. This is a very intense and hardcore routine that quite simply will drain you, my workout partner could not complete the routine so now I do it alone. This is an 8 week routine divided into two phases with phase one being weeks 1-4 and phase two being weeks 5-8. It's a 6 day on, one day off split where you will hit every body part twice a week. HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS ROUTINE; YOU WILL ONLY REST 45 SECONDS BETWEEN EVERY SET. You must stick to this key detail, 45 second rest periods for everything...even on leg day. It is intense, your heart will be racing, you will be dripping sweat and leg days are absolutely brutal. BUT YOU MUST STICK TO THIS. The first time I did 8 sets of squats witn only 45 seconds between sets, then jumped to six sets of deadlifts with 45 seconds rest I thought I was going to vomit. This means you might be using a lighter weight for certain exercises, or maybe all of them, because of the short rest periods...so what, you will gain mass this way. Your muscles dont know what 35 or 235 lbs means, your muscles just know resistance and intensity and you will have both cranked to the max between all of the supersets you'll be doing and the 45 second rest periods. The most important thing to do if you stick to this workout is EAT QUALITY WHOLE FOODS HIGH IN PROTEIN. just like @winterland touched on, you must feed your body, especially on this routine. If you dont your body will break down and you will likely actually lose muscle. I always have fruits and veggies in my diet as well. YOU MUST EAT WELL, YOU MUST. I eat six to eight meals a day and consume about 3,200-3,500 calories per day. As for supplements I use a mass/weight gainer protein powder that will have about 600-1,000 calories per shake depending on the brand. My favorite is Dymatize Elite Mass. I also take a multivitamin, a preworkout drink, an intra workout amino acid drink, a post workout shake, and a Casein protein shake before bed. If anybody wants more detail on my supps I can go in to it later. Anyways, sorry for the long winded post. The link I posted is the link to day one of the routine. There is a drop down menu at the top of the page you click on to go to each day. Sorry if I bored you guys with the novel . I'd be happy to answer more questions if you have any.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 9:08:20 GMT -6
So guys, I'm not sure what everyone's goal is here but I am a hardgainer so my goal has always been to add lean, quality mass to my body. I hover around 6-8% body fat depending on the time of year and gaining quality muscle is always a challenge for my ecto/mesomorph body type. I've been working out in one way or another for about 20 years now and recently came to a point where I hit a plateu. The workout I'm doing now has really pushed me over that plateu and I've gained 10 lbs of lean mass at this point. The workout I am doing is the Arnold Blueprint for Mass; www.bodybuilding.com/fun/arnold-schwarzenegger-blueprint-trainer-day-1.htmlNow, some may think this workout is just a marketing ploy between Arnold and bodybuilding.com to sell Arnolds new line of supplements made by Muscle Pharm. Well you know what, who cares if it is because TRUST ME, this routine works. The name of the game with this routine is muscle confusion and extreme intensity. You will also employ the techniques of the stripping method, the 1-10 method, the max out method, and supersets. If you consider yourself a beginner or intermediate weight lifter I would not attempt this routine. This is a very intense and hardcore routine that quite simply will drain you, my workout partner could not complete the routine so now I do it alone. This is an 8 week routine divided into two phases with phase one being weeks 1-4 and phase two being weeks 5-8. It's a 6 day on, one day off split where you will hit every body part twice a week. HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS ROUTINE; YOU WILL ONLY REST 45 SECONDS BETWEEN EVERY SET. You must stick to this key detail, 45 second rest periods for everything...even on leg day. It is intense, your heart will be racing, you will be dripping sweat and leg days are absolutely brutal. BUT YOU MUST STICK TO THIS. The first time I did 8 sets of squats witn only 45 seconds between sets, then jumped to six sets of deadlifts with 45 seconds rest I thought I was going to vomit. This means you might be using a lighter weight for certain exercises, or maybe all of them, because of the short rest periods...so what, you will gain mass this way. Your muscles dont know what 35 or 235 lbs means, your muscles just know resistance and intensity and you will have both cranked to the max between all of the supersets you'll be doing and the 45 second rest periods. The most important thing to do if you stick to this workout is EAT QUALITY WHOLE FOODS HIGH IN PROTEIN. just like @winterland touched on, you must feed your body, especially on this routine. If you dont your body will break down and you will likely actually lose muscle. I always have fruits and veggies in my diet as well. YOU MUST EAT WELL, YOU MUST. I eat six to eight meals a day and consume about 3,200-3,500 calories per day. As for supplements I use a mass/weight gainer protein powder that will have about 600-1,000 calories per shake depending on the brand. My favorite is Dymatize Elite Mass. I also take a multivitamin, a preworkout drink, an intra workout amino acid drink, a post workout shake, and a Casein protein shake before bed. If anybody wants more detail on my supps I can go in to it later. Anyways, sorry for the long winded post. The link I posted is the link to day one of the routine. There is a drop down menu at the top of the page you click on to go to each day. Sorry if I bored you guys with the novel . I'd be happy to answer more questions if you have any. Thank you so much for the write up, Ickes. I consider myself to be somewhere in between beginner and intermediate workout warrior. 6 days a week to the gym is going to be tough to fit into my family schedule.... any suggestion on how I can fit this into a 4 days/week routine?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 9:16:03 GMT -6
My getting in shape story. I had always been fairly lean but getting older brings on a slowing metabolism. I was not getting much exercise sitting on my butt in the recording studio every day. Slowly I was gaining some weight and before you know it was 30lbs heavier than I should be. I actually first started a routine by using a Wii fit video game which has many great body weight exercises and also tracks everything for you. Simple. I watched my eating. Overall it is common sense. Eat less calories than you burn to lose weight, more when bulking and your maintenance, what your body burns each day keeping you alive, when wanting to stay the same. Eating nutritious food is the key. Got a great book Eating Clean for Dummies. Lost weight and gained muscle and overall got in better shape. Felt better with more energy in general. I then wanted to get more muscle as muscle burns more calories than fat and I like to eat. I did get a bench and weights. Buy used from Craigslist. There are people selling exercise gear all the time. Many buy the gear try it and then quit. I started by getting info from www.bodybuilding.com It is a huge website/forum but has a lot of great info. I started with the Starting Strength routine. forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224I warm up with a treadmill run and also finish with a run followed by stretching. I kept supplements to a minimum. Beware it is a huge industry. Most are not needed. You can trim it down to what actually works and get things in bulk at a reasonable price. A good protein/whey powder creatine fish oil multi vitamin I did add a intraworkout powder when cutting. Also caffeine preworkout. coffee then moved to pills. cheap and works great. After a year I moved to a HST routine and have been doing it since. Varying the amount of weight and repetitions. thinkmuscle.com/community/threads/hst-for-dummies.14491/I did bulking in the fall/winter and cutting spring/summer over a period of 4 years. I am not going to gain as much this winter as I feel I am good as far as muscle. I am not real big muscle wise and never wanted to be but I am lean and in shape and can lift as much now as when I was 25 lbs heavier bulked up. The main thing is just starting any kind of exercise. You need to get in motion. Body weight exercises are great. No equipment needed. Eating is most important of all as you can exercise all you want and still be fat and unhealthy. Eating good nutritious food that tastes great will help you feel great, prolong your life and keep you out of the doctors office. Thanks for sharing, Winterland. I need some serious focus this winter to bulk up on my muscle. Maybe it is more psychological but I feel it is getting harder to do after I hit 40. Btw, what kind of pre-workout that you are using? You can see I am sucker for supplement....
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Post by ickes on Nov 20, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -6
@wils, no problem man! it would be impossible to fit this routine in to a 4 day split. Sorry man but you just couldn't. You could do it in 5 days and just skip your second leg day though, that might work for you. Mon-Fri with weekends off.
As for a preworkout I am using MusclePharm Assault right now. A very clean energey, no jittery cracked out feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 10:57:52 GMT -6
@wils, no problem man! it would be impossible to fit this routine in to a 4 day split. Sorry man but you just couldn't. You could do it in 5 days and just skip your second leg day though, that might work for you. Mon-Fri with weekends off. As for a preworkout I am using MusclePharm Assault right now. A very clean energey, no jittery cracked out feelings. Ummm.. need to talk to my CEO at home about it. 5 days is possible. I hate leg day anyway.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 20, 2014 12:06:32 GMT -6
@wils, no problem man! it would be impossible to fit this routine in to a 4 day split. Sorry man but you just couldn't. You could do it in 5 days and just skip your second leg day though, that might work for you. Mon-Fri with weekends off. As for a preworkout I am using MusclePharm Assault right now. A very clean energey, no jittery cracked out feelings. Ummm.. need to talk to my CEO at home about it. 5 days is possible. I hate leg day anyway. Yeah the real boss has to approve everything, except my impulsive shopping. Maybe tell her it helps you relieve the desire to buy stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 12:51:30 GMT -6
Ummm.. need to talk to my CEO at home about it. 5 days is possible. I hate leg day anyway. Yeah the real boss has to approve everything, except my impulsive shopping. Maybe tell her it helps you relieve the desire to buy stuff. Ha... then I need to talk to the CFO at home then.... shoot, same person.
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Post by ickes on Nov 20, 2014 15:05:52 GMT -6
well I don't know if this would be an option for you guys, but what I had to do for about a year or so was wake up a few hours earlier in the morning and hit the gym then to fit it in my schedule. I would get up at 4 a.m., get in a meal, hit the gym around 5 a.m. and be back home before my kids were even awake for school. It's not for everyone but I ddidn't mind it at all. It's actually quite nice because my gym is way less crowded that early in the morning and it gave me a good start to my day. In the winter I would be done working out before the sun even came up some times. Keep in mind this is all coming from a guy who's as obsessed with working out as he is with raw selvedge denim
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Post by Winterland on Nov 20, 2014 20:49:16 GMT -6
My getting in shape story. I had always been fairly lean but getting older brings on a slowing metabolism. I was not getting much exercise sitting on my butt in the recording studio every day. Slowly I was gaining some weight and before you know it was 30lbs heavier than I should be. I actually first started a routine by using a Wii fit video game which has many great body weight exercises and also tracks everything for you. Simple. I watched my eating. Overall it is common sense. Eat less calories than you burn to lose weight, more when bulking and your maintenance, what your body burns each day keeping you alive, when wanting to stay the same. Eating nutritious food is the key. Got a great book Eating Clean for Dummies. Lost weight and gained muscle and overall got in better shape. Felt better with more energy in general. I then wanted to get more muscle as muscle burns more calories than fat and I like to eat. I did get a bench and weights. Buy used from Craigslist. There are people selling exercise gear all the time. Many buy the gear try it and then quit. I started by getting info from www.bodybuilding.com It is a huge website/forum but has a lot of great info. I started with the Starting Strength routine. forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224I warm up with a treadmill run and also finish with a run followed by stretching. I kept supplements to a minimum. Beware it is a huge industry. Most are not needed. You can trim it down to what actually works and get things in bulk at a reasonable price. A good protein/whey powder creatine fish oil multi vitamin I did add a intraworkout powder when cutting. Also caffeine preworkout. coffee then moved to pills. cheap and works great. After a year I moved to a HST routine and have been doing it since. Varying the amount of weight and repetitions. thinkmuscle.com/community/threads/hst-for-dummies.14491/I did bulking in the fall/winter and cutting spring/summer over a period of 4 years. I am not going to gain as much this winter as I feel I am good as far as muscle. I am not real big muscle wise and never wanted to be but I am lean and in shape and can lift as much now as when I was 25 lbs heavier bulked up. The main thing is just starting any kind of exercise. You need to get in motion. Body weight exercises are great. No equipment needed. Eating is most important of all as you can exercise all you want and still be fat and unhealthy. Eating good nutritious food that tastes great will help you feel great, prolong your life and keep you out of the doctors office. Thanks for sharing, Winterland. I need some serious focus this winter to bulk up on my muscle. Maybe it is more psychological but I feel it is getting harder to do after I hit 40. Btw, what kind of pre-workout that you are using? You can see I am sucker for supplement.... My routine timing works out well as I get up early to get my 8 year old on the school bus. I eat a small breakfast. 2 eggs whites 1 yoke and whole wheat toast. I go back to bed for a couple hours, wake up and take a 1/2 of an Allmax Nutrition Caffeine tab. They are 200MG. Caffeine is the main ingredient in most all workout powders. It works for me and is very cheap to do it this way. I then go back to sleep for 15 minutes or so. I get to sleep easy. I get up and do my routine. This is all I take except when cutting or on maintenance, I take Athletic Edge Intrabolic Workout Supplement. Makes up for some of the missing nutrients you would otherwise get eating more food. I add in NOW Foods Beta Alanine Powder. Another common ingredient in many workout powders. I have found all the above along with Now Foods creatine, protein powders and Source Naturals Life Force Multiple, No Iron, 180 Tablets to be what most recommend as being worth taking and worth the money to optimize your body for working out. I get everything from amazon except protein powders and fish oil at Costco. Just watch the specs of protein powders as some have a lot of cholesterol. I listed all the brands as that can be half the battle figuring out which to buy. I am cheap and tried to find good quality for a good price. As the routine specifies I work out 3 days a week Mon Wed Fri. Approx 1-1.5 hours each. I also do Krav Maga training once a week as often as I can. A good workout on its own. It can be intense. There are many good routines out there and as Ickes mentioned it all depends on your goal. I might have to try the Arnold routine if I get bored this winter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 21:30:09 GMT -6
CrossFit anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 21:44:24 GMT -6
Can you explain to me how Cross fit even works? I've looked at a fee websites and I'm just blank on reading them. I usually stick to the tried and true 3x5 workouts like Rippetoes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 21:46:39 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing, Winterland. I need some serious focus this winter to bulk up on my muscle. Maybe it is more psychological but I feel it is getting harder to do after I hit 40. Btw, what kind of pre-workout that you are using? You can see I am sucker for supplement.... My routine timing works out well as I get up early to get my 8 year old on the school bus. I eat a small breakfast. 2 eggs whites 1 yoke and whole wheat toast. I go back to bed for a couple hours, wake up and take a 1/2 of an Allmax Nutrition Caffeine tab. They are 200MG. Caffeine is the main ingredient in most all workout powders. It works for me and is very cheap to do it this way. I then go back to sleep for 15 minutes or so. I get to sleep easy. I get up and do my routine. This is all I take except when cutting or on maintenance, I take Athletic Edge Intrabolic Workout Supplement. Makes up for some of the missing nutrients you would otherwise get eating more food. I add in NOW Foods Beta Alanine Powder. Another common ingredient in many workout powders. I have found all the above along with Now Foods creatine, protein powders and Source Naturals Life Force Multiple, No Iron, 180 Tablets to be what most recommend as being worth taking and worth the money to optimize your body for working out. I get everything from amazon except protein powders and fish oil at Costco. Just watch the specs of protein powders as some have a lot of cholesterol. I listed all the brands as that can be half the battle figuring out which to buy. I am cheap and tried to find good quality for a good price. As the routine specifies I work out 3 days a week Mon Wed Fri. Approx 1-1.5 hours each. I also do Krav Maga training once a week as often as I can. A good workout on its own. It can be intense. There are many good routines out there and as Ickes mentioned it all depends on your goal. I might have to try the Arnold routine if I get bored this winter. For fish oil I go with the bodybuilding.com brand. Best bang for the buck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 22:32:47 GMT -6
Can you explain to me how Cross fit even works? I've looked at a fee websites and I'm just blank on reading them. I usually stick to the tried and true 3x5 workouts like Rippetoes. I'm a CrossFit noob. I got in to it to boost my fitness level (Cardio and fat loss) before I branch in to any lifting regiment
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Post by brentkuz on Nov 25, 2014 13:58:55 GMT -6
Few words on this thread will write something longer later.
I've always been a fan of cutting in winter. Reason being I don't go out as much in winter and don't drink or eat BBQ food as much. More events in summer that kill diets.
@wils damn you're old. Just kidding
Make sure you are cleared by a doctor for intense physical activity. I just had a 40's woman drop dead from a crossfit workout. Bad heart shouldn't have been doing that intense of activity. Very sad.
It's not just about how you look it's also about health. I've seen some skinny unhealthy people and some more full healthy people. Whole natural foods are very important veggies and good complex carbs.
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