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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:04:55 GMT -6
Few words on this thread will write something longer later. I've always been a fan of cutting in winter. Reason being I don't go out as much in winter and don't drink or eat BBQ food as much. More events in summer that kill diets. @wils damn you're old. Just kidding Make sure you are cleared by a doctor for intense physical activity. I just had a 40's woman drop dead from a crossfit workout. Bad heart shouldn't have been doing that intense of activity. Very sad. It's not just about how you look it's also about health. I've seen some skinny unhealthy people and some more full healthy people. Whole natural foods are very important veggies and good complex carbs. yeah, I know. I woke up one day and I realized that I am closer to 50's than 40's. Seriously, no idea on how I get here.... Btw, every time when I felt too old to wear some clothes, I went to the Iron Heart forum to look at those older guys who are still rocking IH. Felt better immediately.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 25, 2014 16:32:13 GMT -6
ickes - I tried Arnold's Blueprint Day 1 yesterday and ended up skipping my usual post-workout cardio.. I think it'll take me a bit to calibrate my weight properly as I went too conservative on weight for a few of the 30 rep warmups and too aggressive on others. I also ended up feeling like a total weakling on the 8 and 6 rep sets and, for some odd reason, was only able to do about half the number of chin-ups I expected to be able to do. I'm not sure I'm doing it right, but I did 45 second rests between sets within each exercise and spent a bit more time moving from one exercise to the next.. maybe a minute or two in some cases. Are you doing 45 seconds between sets *and* between exercises?
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Post by ickes on Nov 25, 2014 17:29:37 GMT -6
wisdom, that's awesome man! I'm stoked you're giving the Arnold program a go! Stick with it man, you'll see results. stick with it! It sounds like you're doing it right man. If anything you actually want to go light on that first set of 30 since it's really a warm up set, better too light than too heavy on that set of 30. Don't even worry about not getting the weights dialed in exactly right. With the Arnold program it's changing every week so it's a constant judgeing of how much weight to use. I've been doing the Arnold routine since March and I still don't get the weight part down exactly right all the time. If you guess wrong and say go to heavy on a set of 6 and you can only get up 4 then just set the weight down and rest for 10-15 seconds and then pump out those last two reps. I rest 45 seconds between each set/superset, and then as long as it takes between exercises to get to the next part of the gym as long as it's at least 45 seconds. I quit doing cardio all together with this routine because I don't need it, the workout itself is plenty of cardio. I still have my six pack. It's just beginning for you man, I'm excited for you.
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Post by ickes on Nov 25, 2014 17:32:11 GMT -6
basically you're doing it exactly right with your rest periods, and I know what you mean about the chin ups. With only a 45 second rest between sets up chin ups you can't do very many by the last set, but that means you're doing it right. Just wait till leg day
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 17:37:24 GMT -6
wisdom, that's awesome man! I'm stoked you're giving the Arnold program a go! Stick with it man, you'll see results. stick with it! It sounds like you're doing it right man. If anything you actually want to go light on that first set of 30 since it's really a warm up set, better too light than too heavy on that set of 30. Don't even worry about not getting the weights dialed in exactly right. With the Arnold program it's changing every week so it's a constant judgeing of how much weight to use. I've been doing the Arnold routine since March and I still don't get the weight part down exactly right all the time. If you guess wrong and say go to heavy on a set of 6 and you can only get up 4 then just set the weight down and rest for 10-15 seconds and then pump out those last two reps. I rest 45 seconds between each set/superset, and then as long as it takes between exercises to get to the next part of the gym as long as it's at least 45 seconds. I quit doing cardio all together with this routine because I don't need it, the workout itself is plenty of cardio. I still have my six pack. It's just beginning for you man, I'm excited for you. Got me thinking.... damn.. need to do it..... btw, I hope people like my new name + avatar.... I look (or maybe more "feel") like that guy especially the hair part.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 25, 2014 18:21:24 GMT -6
Thanks ickes! That's really encouraging.. the workout is killer but you feel real good when you're done!
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Post by ickes on Nov 25, 2014 19:35:24 GMT -6
no problem wisdom! If you have any questions about anything don't hesitate to ask. I'm extremely passionate about working out. one big thing that I think separates the few from 99% of the other gym goers is your mentality, especially when doing intense weight training. when I hit the gym I am in a zone like no other and I'm loaded up on a good pre workout supp. I don't go to socialize, bull shit, or make friends..I go to work out and hit every set with laser focus and extreme intensity down to my last rep. Most people won't understand this, but anger is a beautiful thing.....only when it is tapped, harnessed, and unleashed in a proper way. Tap in to your anger wisdom before each set and unleash it on those weights. people at the gym tell me I look angry, that's because I am, I have to be. It's a personal challenge, every rep...the weights are trying to beat me, push me down, but II'm going to beat them....and at the end of each workout wisdom it feels amazing, just like you said, because you won. Put on some music, tap in to your anger, and hit those f!@king weights hard bro. Anger is a tool.... its summed up perfectly in this song which is a great song to workout too btw and one of this bands most underrated songs;
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Post by wisdom on Nov 26, 2014 0:03:58 GMT -6
Damn, ickes.. that's inspiring. I used to box, so I totally get channeling anger. I knocked out Day 2 today.. it was tougher than Day 1, but I'm starting to "get" how the progression, exhaustion, use of secondary muscles when your primary ones are shot, etc. work together. @wils.. just do it, man.. give it a shot if just to shake things up for a bit. My opinion on getting through the reps is it's only pain, and it's just a memory when it's over, so get over it and get it done.
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Post by ickes on Nov 26, 2014 0:39:38 GMT -6
oh nice wisdom, you boxed, then you totally understand what I'm saying about channelling anger, perfect. yes, you're absolutely right, day two is a tough day and it will be your longest day. I just did "day two" (shoulder, bis, tris, forearms) also but I'm on week 3 so technically it's day 16 for me but same muscle groups. so yeah, tomorrow is leg day (yay!!!) and then Thursday you start the three day cycle all over again. Come Thursday it's possible that your chest and back may still be a bit sore from Mondays chest and back routine but do it anyways. Work through that soreness. People will say you shouldn't work out a muscle thats still sore, but I (and Arnold) say thats bull shit. yeah those muscles may still feel sore but they've had 72 hours to recover which is enough. That's cool you're getting the feel of the routine down, it's awesome. After time you will really get in the swing of it and you'll be tearing that gym up, stomping through that gym like a man with a purpose like you own that damn place...lol. So have you got a diet plan in place for this yet? I know you're a smart dude and you know that nutrition is important but it's such a vital aspect that so many gym goers neglect. Its such a mandatory thing , to eat well when you're doing this workout.
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Post by ickes on Nov 26, 2014 0:46:41 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 9:39:59 GMT -6
Damn, ickes.. that's inspiring. I used to box, so I totally get channeling anger. I knocked out Day 2 today.. it was tougher than Day 1, but I'm starting to "get" how the progression, exhaustion, use of secondary muscles when your primary ones are shot, etc. work together. @wils.. just do it, man.. give it a shot if just to shake things up for a bit. My opinion on getting through the reps is it's only pain, and it's just a memory when it's over, so get over it and get it done. Ok.. I am going to do it. I need to take care of few things and will start in the beginning of next year. As usual, I will document my journey......
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Post by wisdom on Nov 27, 2014 1:04:16 GMT -6
Hey, ickes.. I've been eating well, when I get the chance to eat, but that's my problem.. oftentimes the easiest thing to sacrifice, when there are so many demands on your day, is food. I have a weight gainer supplement, but it is a supplement and not a substitute, so I'm sure I'm shortchanging myself in the protein, carb, and calorie department. This is something I'm aware of.. just gotta find a solution. Lunges were killer today.. thought I'd point something out, too.. my wife can tell what groups I work each day since starting this routine.. freakin' blasts your muscles like you wouldn't believe. @wils.. you know I'm following up with you in the new year to make sure you try this, right?
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Post by ickes on Nov 27, 2014 1:59:02 GMT -6
wisdom, I COMPLETELY understand where you're coming from regarding the diet. It took me quite a while to dial mine in, for sure. What I do is go grocery shopping on Sunday for the week ahead. I buy everything I need for that week, cook most of my meat Sunday night, throw some mixed veggies and black beans, couscous, whatever sides I choose. ..in tupperware containers. I haul a big ass lunch box with me to work everyday with my food for the dayin it. Its a bit of a lifestyle change for sure man, but once you figure it out you get your routine down and it's not so overwhelming. Whole foods brother, thats what its all about. It can be more expensive for sure but man, it's my body, my well being, my health. I'm not skimping out on that. I'm not going to eat poor quality" food" just so I can save money, f!@k that. But I totally hear what you're saying about working it in to a hectic lifestyle, I'm a single father of two so I completely get it, but it can be done. yes, leg day is BRUTAL imo, and you're right...by the time I get to the lunges I'm done...lol...I could easily stop the workout there but you gotta push through it, those lunges are killer. FYI, to be honest with you I only probably do leg days twice a week about 50% of the time. I have skipped that second leg day plenty of times. So if this Saturday rolls around and you're body is spent from the five days of hitting it hard in the week and you just can't muster up another leg dau don't sweat it too hard. Skip it if you want. I've done it plenty of times and TRUST ME, I've still seen amazing results in my lower body. You stick with this man and your wife will love the changes she sees in your glutes ...and everywhere else for that matter. oh one thing on that though, and you may already know this and do this, but I believe it is vital to do deep squats. Go as deep as you can go when you go down, at least deep enough to where your thighs are parallel to the floor. Go even deeper if you can without hurting yourself, I do, and I believe it's the only way to see maximum results in your quads and glutes. You will have to use lighter weight but so what, you will see kick ass results. I see so many guys who ego train. They will pile on the weights because it boosts their ego and makes them appear strong to everyone else watching. Yet when they go to do their squats they only go about a third of the way down, not even getting their quads parallel to the floor. They are cheating themselves and at the end of the day my quads, hams, and glutes are much more developed than theirs. That's a fact jack. anywho, sorry for rambling so much on this topic but I could go on for days. Let me know if you have any questions. I believe next week you will start employing the stripping method and the 1-10 method which are both absolutely KILLER, so let me know if you have any questions on those.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 27, 2014 8:02:55 GMT -6
Thanks for all the great advice! This is awesome.. you should be a personal trainer!
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Post by wisdom on Dec 1, 2014 21:40:36 GMT -6
Hit Day 8 of Arnold's workout today.. I kept it up through Thanksgiving and did my workout while the turkey was in the oven and am staying on schedule. I did the stripping method today but was unsure as to whether I was supposed to do the stripping method for all exercises or just the flat bench. ickes.. do you do stripping method for just the flat bench? I ended up doing some variation of it for the final set of all lifting exercises, though the more I think about it the more I think it only refers to the bench. I kid you not, I felt like I was going to get pinned by the bar near the end of the final set. I think last week was good conditioning (not sore, but muscles still feel tight) and I am not so gassed that I can't lift my hands to wash my face or anything. Loving this workout.. I honestly feel great!
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Post by ickes on Dec 2, 2014 10:23:31 GMT -6
Hey wisdom, I was wondering if you were going to stick to the routine over the holiday weekend. Glad to hear you did! I did too of course . yes, the stripping method is awesome and yes you are only supposed to do the stripping method on the flat bench. Just one exercise, not all of them....now that would be brutal man..lol. Yep, that's what the stripping method is all about and you are doing it right. By the time you get down to just the bar it feels like it's about 200 lbs. That's exactly what I mean when I say that your muscles don't know the difference between 45 pounds or 245 pounds, they just know resistance and intensity. You can make that 45 pound bar feel much heavier than it is by using the stripping method. You're exactly right, the first week is actually kind of an "easy" week, relatively speaking. It conditions you like you said, gets you ready for the upcoming weeks. Week 2 gets a little more intense as you know, and then week 3 is pretty balls out fast, hard, and heavy....then week 4 goes back to a similar routine as week one, it kind of winds you back down before you start the next phase of it. I'm glad you're liking it man! Keep it up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 16:44:38 GMT -6
Ok.. here I am before the ickes and wisdom plan...... (the quality of my photos have been very consistence.... sh***y as always) I don't want to get bigger but definitely want more lean muscle/toned down. I got on the scale yesterday and I am at 159lbs. My goal is to stay at the same weight but get my body fat to the low 12%. Btw, when your age is closer to 50's than 40's, expectation is relatively low... Will start the plan on January 2015.
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Post by Winterland on Dec 8, 2014 17:14:11 GMT -6
Ok.. here I am before the ickes and wisdom plan...... (the quality of my photos have been very consistence.... sh***y as always) I don't want to get bigger but definitely want more lean muscle/toned down. I got on the scale yesterday and I am at 159lbs. My goal is to stay at the same weight but get my body fat to the low 12%. Btw, when your age is closer to 50's than 40's, expectation is relatively low... Will start the plan on January 2015. Trust me you will see results as long as you are working out consistently, at least 3 days a week, and are not eating so much over your maintenance calories that you gain too much fat. Need to not eat too little either.
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Post by ickes on Dec 8, 2014 17:28:53 GMT -6
MiddleAge; awesome to hear that you're going to start the routine. Just an fyi though, this is a mass building routine. If you do this routine and at least eat enough to maintain like @winterland said, you will get bigger. However, I think you will like the results as it will be lean mass and I bet you will drop body fat. I'm not trying to discourage you from starting the routine at all, quite the opposite actually. I just want you to be aware that if you stick to the routine and maintain your protein and calorie intake it will be impossible to not gain some size. I'm excited for you though man. Look forward to seeing your results.
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Post by ickes on Dec 8, 2014 17:32:38 GMT -6
oh and fyi MiddleAge, there is a nutrition plan that goes along with this routine if your interested.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 19:22:56 GMT -6
Ok.. here I am before the ickes and wisdom plan...... (the quality of my photos have been very consistence.... sh***y as always) I don't want to get bigger but definitely want more lean muscle/toned down. I got on the scale yesterday and I am at 159lbs. My goal is to stay at the same weight but get my body fat to the low 12%. Btw, when your age is closer to 50's than 40's, expectation is relatively low... Will start the plan on January 2015. Trust me you will see results as long as you are working out consistently, at least 3 days a week, and are not eating so much over your maintenance calories that you gain too much fat. Need to not eat too little either. If I were you, I'd start it as immediately as possible. Usually when I set a date a few weeks away for starting a workout, I tend to set myself back right before starting, justifying it by saying I'll burn it off anyways. Just start it now when you feel motivated to, and not weeks later when you don't know of how you'll feel.
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Post by Mattbert on Dec 10, 2014 13:34:03 GMT -6
I've never been much of a gym rat. Much respect to you guys who have the motivation and discipline to work out on the regular. I find that my exercise needs to be more hobby- or sport-oriented for me to stick with it. For example, when I was playing collegiate baseball (pitcher) I hardly went to the gym at all; I just swam a lot for cardio and lean muscle mass and ran a lot (as much as my knees could tolerate, anyway) to build leg stamina. Throw in a few basic body weight exercises (push-ups, pull-ups, crunches, etc.) and I was good to go. Around the same time, I got into bouldering. For those of you not familiar with this, it's basically just unroped rock climbing on (for the most part) short, intense routes. I believe the man considered the godfather of the sport, John Gill, described it as gymnastics on rock. I highly recommend it if you want to target any muscle groups you feel are getting short shrift in your regular workout routine, or if you want to target muscles that you didn't even know you had. Nothing gets overlooked in bouldering, and there is nowhere to hide. This is me, about 13 years and 15-20 pounds ago, doing a boulder problem in west Texas. I still look broadly the same, except I don't have those crazy shoulderblades any more (what are those: tereses, rhomboids?). I'm just a little bit softer everywhere (okay, a lotta bit in the abs area), and all those little bits add up, especially when your metabolism changes as you enter your thirties. I messed up a toe earlier this summer, but I'm attempting to get back on a regular climbing schedule at the rock gym around the corner from my office now that it's feeling a little better. It makes a huge difference when I'm able to climb at least a couple times a week. When I'm not bouldering, my exercise consists mainly of yoga and paddleboarding (I fly fish from my board whenever possible). I'd love to do both of those things a lot more often too.
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Post by usctroll on Dec 10, 2014 14:05:35 GMT -6
I started doing Crossfit in early October and two months in I'm definitely loving it. The classes I attend are either 5:30 or 6:30 AM and are generally pretty empty, like 3-5 people on average. I like not having the hassle of finding and planning routines along with the ability to rip through a 0:45 to 1:00 workout with zero waiting for equipment or dealing with morons.
The Crossfit started after a spring/summer of running to get back down from my baby weight (don't laugh, we adopted so the middle of the night work was split pretty evenly) of 215 down to 185. Running sucks in the winter so I started the Crossfit for a little more strength/flexibility and to maintain my goal weight of 185. 2x/week of Crossfit seems to replace 7-8 miles/week of running pretty evenly when it comes to weight maintenance.
And lastly, I signed up for an amateur boxing competition and have been going to 2x/week boxing training classes. They are a ridiculously difficult challenge in terms of fitness, but I'm not sure if I love getting punched. We'll see if that part continues.
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Post by Old26 on Dec 10, 2014 14:15:01 GMT -6
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Post by Mattbert on Dec 10, 2014 14:29:26 GMT -6
Dafuq is that? Can you unsee it for me?
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