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Post by felizuno on Jan 29, 2015 17:12:16 GMT -6
Of 7 stock jeans, 3 stock WS, 1 stock chore coat, and 5 stock shirts all orders were on spec except the 2 patterned shirts. Out of the 5 regular campaign items I've already received 1 (Black 3) sewed up small and went back. My sample of regularly funded items is too small to make any conclusions, but I can say I've had good success ordering from the stock store.
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Post by jamesr on Jan 29, 2015 17:12:44 GMT -6
I received a pair from the stock store that had one leg 1/4" wider than the other.
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Post by oatwilly on Jan 29, 2015 20:15:47 GMT -6
What I'm trying to say is no vendor is perfect... There will be mistakes... I'm sure even the sewer's at Iron Heart make mistakes on their garments from time to time... But they wouldn't sell them that way... I'm sure Iron Heart scraps shirts that aren't up to spec... Say Gustin makes 100 Monster twill shirts in the run a certain percentage will be mess-ups... Anyway that's the case in most manufacturing I'm sure that there MAY be a small percentage of good shirts VS hosed up ones, not the other way around
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 29, 2015 21:06:42 GMT -6
I picked up two pairs of jeans from the stock store: Zim18 and Japan Taupe. Both were right on spec with the exception of the blessedly smaller cuff openings (17-ish instead of 18-ish on 36 Straights).
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 21:34:44 GMT -6
I'm sure that there MAY be a small percentage of good shirts VS hosed up ones, not the other way around I've rewritten this about 5 times now, and can't quite seem to say anything without going places i don't want to. I certainly hope that 90% of their product is going out without issue, as this would put them right about average with the garment industry. I'm just seeing what seems to be a lot of people coming up with issues on delivered product, and would like to see Gustin take a more active interest in the problem (ie, finding shirts suffering from recent strokes). I think their customer base has shown the patience that could absorb the time to pull a random sampling of 25% and check them. But I don't know, perhaps one of their biggest issues is people canceling due to shifting delivery dates, in which case I can see their reticence. In my experience, though, the resolution to this is regular communication (like they had a year ago when they were smaller) so that people know you haven't lost track of their order. This is a model founded on trust, but it has to be mutual for both parties to benefit. I've paid for the Monster Twill, and I hope it comes in perfect, because I really like the fabric and I'd hate to send it back. That's all.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 21:38:26 GMT -6
I will also say, though, that with Gustin -- even with more difficult issues -- I seldom wait more than six hours for a response, whereas I've heard nothing for 24 hours so far from Taylor Stitch on the shirt I received with a crooked placket.
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Post by marauder on Jan 29, 2015 21:59:00 GMT -6
I don't think anybody here debates the excellence of G's customer service; just hoping for fewer encounters with them.
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Post by ickes on Jan 30, 2015 1:04:23 GMT -6
I'm going to have dreams about crooked plackets for the rest of my life, I swear. My last words on my deathbed will be "crook....ed....plack...et....ehhh". The funny thing is that I don't think the majority of us even paid any attention until one jerk had to point it out. Thanks jerk!! Whoever you are!! . Seriously, who the hell was it that pointed it out first anyways? oh well, now its like the first thing I look at on a patterned shirt now, jeez man. I don't think that whoever pointed this out first had any clue how profoundly it would affect so many lives!! Freakin butterfly effect man, fer realz. Oh the madness!! f!@king plackets!!!
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Post by exophobe on Jan 30, 2015 1:14:42 GMT -6
I'm going to have dreams about crooked plackets for the rest of my life, I swear. My last words on my deathbed will be "crook....ed....plack...et....ehhh". The funny thing is that I don't think the majority of us even paid any attention until one jerk had to point it out. Thanks jerk!! Whoever you are!! . Seriously, who the hell was it that pointed it out first anyways? oh well, now its like the first thing I look at on a patterned shirt now, jeez man. I don't think that whoever pointed this out first had any clue how profoundly it would affect so many lives!! Freakin butterfly effect man, fer realz. Oh the madness!! f!@king plackets!!! Butteryfly effect.
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Post by ickes on Jan 30, 2015 1:29:25 GMT -6
ha!! nice one exophobe, can't believe I didn't think of that one.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 30, 2015 3:45:47 GMT -6
The only shirts I have that are crooked are G-shirts. And this is what annoys me with G. They have superb fabrics, but there is so many problems and they are *always* things that never happened to me before ....ever.
Love - G No love - Sewplace
For instance: * Hole in jeans * Bleeding patch that ruins tan jeans and everything else in the machine (some favourite clothes) * Very many places of really messy stitching on shirt * Lining inside chinos just rupture with ease * Selvadge cutoff (this one should go into history books) * All shirts different lengths * Basically all my G-clothes have different sizes * Chainstitch coming loose inside backpocket
Now the last one might be common, but it never happened to me before and it does not surprise me that it happened on a pair of G-jeans.
I managed to "save" the tan jeans by using 2 bottles of stainremover and multiple washes, removing the patch and only using them with something that covers the patch area.
I got refunds, new patches and alot of other nice and good things from G so once again - G is good, and makes it right, but it shouldnt have to happen so often. To me this together with the fact that the shirts are too smal i nthe chest and you have to up one size and get too long shirts to wear untucked, aaaaand together with that I have to hem all my jeans myself, this makes me not want to order anymore G-stuff at all until some of these things are fixed. If not, then ok, but for me - money elsewhere.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 30, 2015 3:55:37 GMT -6
And also, I dont have any good feelings with the g-stuff I own.
* My IxIs arent indigo adn they were my favourite pants, now after wash they are so ugly I dont want to put them on * My loomies was my favourite, but the heartseem (between buttocks) has been a little loose ina way that you can see through it, like the thread has put strain on the holes and widened them. Yes they might be too small, but wow they also came in 2 sizes smaller then advertised so... * Tan is kinda bitter taste in my mouth * Okayamas is ok but has the loose chainstitch that I had to glue * GreyXBlack h-bones that I love came in extremely small so are uncomfy to wear * Chinos came in too small so are uncomfy to wear
The only perfect ones are the greysilks.
* gingham, too tight * grey ember, too tight * grey twill something - i just hate it, not gs fault but it doesnt go with anything lol
the ones ordered too big are fine If worn under a sweater like the white and blue oxford and the creamslate. Theese are good.
Basically I think the oxfords are the best shirts, and they are also kinda beefy imho and good worth the price to me. These i could get more of. In my work its ok to wear an oxford and a v-sweater and selvadge jeans so i like them.
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 30, 2015 6:58:58 GMT -6
I forget who brought up the crocked shirts. I never noticed but now it bugs the crap out of me. I still feel bad for that blue rust flannel that was sideways.
Ren is taking care of me.
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Post by DigDug on Jan 30, 2015 8:05:20 GMT -6
I dont think G will get this Short problem under control. It's been long enough. But there shirts sell out every time. It's become the "Bread and Butter".
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Post by jamesr on Jan 30, 2015 9:48:45 GMT -6
But what does it mean for something to "sell out" in the G world?
It seems like a lot of the campaigns don't walk a straight line. A couple of those heavy flannels made impressive percentage jumps as they neared the end.
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 30, 2015 9:54:53 GMT -6
I'm going to have dreams about crooked plackets for the rest of my life, I swear. My last words on my deathbed will be "crook....ed....plack...et....ehhh". The funny thing is that I don't think the majority of us even paid any attention until one jerk had to point it out. Thanks jerk!! Whoever you are!! . Seriously, who the hell was it that pointed it out first anyways? oh well, now its like the first thing I look at on a patterned shirt now, jeez man. I don't think that whoever pointed this out first had any clue how profoundly it would affect so many lives!! Freakin butterfly effect man, fer realz. Oh the madness!! f!@king plackets!!! The first person to point it out to me (on my Orange Fade Plaid, which isn't even that bad) was... stinky!!!
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Post by Canucklehead on Jan 30, 2015 9:57:35 GMT -6
But what does it mean for something to "sell out" in the G world? It seems like a lot of the campaigns don't walk a straight line. A couple of those heavy flannels made impressive percentage jumps as they neared the end. Putting on my conspiracy hat... With G's model, you never can tell. You can guess by the percentage leaps but with the Stock Store in place, they could also just say "Well, we're 7 short of funding. Let's just make 7 in the most common sizes and put them in the stock store." It would appear that the campaign fully funded and leave the impression that everything is full steam ahead. Or, they could just decide that a run of 60 instead of 100 is fine and change the basis of funding entirely for something that hasn't proven popular just to avoid the optics of something not getting funded. I think it's only been very rarely where G has actually said "We're only making X number of these jeans/shirts". And I'll take my conspiracy hat off now....
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Post by jamesr on Jan 30, 2015 10:10:30 GMT -6
I've always assumed how they handle campaigns is down to simple math.
100% is not the break even point. Set the break even at, say, 40-50%. Everything above is profit; once you get to 40-50% you're all good. The bonus is the large majority of your campaigns close and everything appears rosy.
* Disclaimer: This is 100% speculation on my part and I have no idea if this is accurate.
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Post by stinky on Jan 30, 2015 10:31:59 GMT -6
I forget who brought up the crocked shirts. I never noticed but now it bugs the crap out of me. I still feel bad for that blue rust flannel that was sideways. Ren is taking care of me. It was me. I even wrote a haiku about it. You're welcome.
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Post by babyshoes on Jan 30, 2015 11:10:02 GMT -6
Seems these campaigns with the impressive sales leaps tend to have follow up campaigns. Maybe they do this in hopes of using up the leftover fabric. Like the Japan khaki workshirt. Not a bad shirt but nothing I would drop $140 on. Why else have multiple campaigns of items that are merely...meh?
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Post by felizuno on Jan 30, 2015 11:22:56 GMT -6
The first time I heard about pattern matching was watching some old video of Len Logsdail talking about how it took him years of cutting to master pattern matching. He proceeded to show off a shirt and suit so perfectly matched they made almost everything I own look like ass.
After seeing that I went on a ~1 year kick of buying expensive MTM shirts and scrutinizing every detail. Eventually I realized I really only care about pockets and the back yoke being aligned. Fast forward a year and I'm only interested in solids anyways. These days I'm forcing myself to try patterns again and hating it. Texture/character are the new pattern for me, and they come with the bonus that they're hard to misalign!
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Post by Old26 on Jan 30, 2015 13:41:16 GMT -6
Just ordered the Postal 'Boners for my son. Hoping he loves these. Thanks all for info on them.
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Post by matt on Jan 30, 2015 13:55:28 GMT -6
But what does it mean for something to "sell out" in the G world? It seems like a lot of the campaigns don't walk a straight line. A couple of those heavy flannels made impressive percentage jumps as they neared the end. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there has only been one campaign that "failed" (and by failed, G pulled it down from the site and those pieces that were backed never made it to production). I say this as an owner of 10 pairs of G denim and 6 shirts- their business model is a perfect case study in brilliant marketing. They've built a format where we appreciate the "scarcity" and reward their marketing copy by overpaying for certain fabrics because they tell us they are "rare" or "limited" or "unique", while being content to never know where most fabrics are actually milled (and thus unable to make an accurate assessment ourselves). I would venture to guess that the margin on each pair in the shop isn't consistent across the boards - but that's their "brand strategy" and I'm not gonna slight them for it. I'm quite happy with my G's and will probably back more in the future. It's still better than paying the crazy prices that others have sold at. For what it is, I can appreciate it.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 30, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -6
But what does it mean for something to "sell out" in the G world? It seems like a lot of the campaigns don't walk a straight line. A couple of those heavy flannels made impressive percentage jumps as they neared the end. The fourth campaign for the Deadstock japan Union blue is running right now, so either Gustin is stockpiling fabric for later releases or they have a strange definition of Deadstock. Cone Pima fire is another one.
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Post by stinky on Jan 30, 2015 15:02:12 GMT -6
The first time I heard about pattern matching was watching some old video of Len Logsdail talking about how it took him years of cutting to master pattern matching. He proceeded to show off a shirt and suit so perfectly matched they made almost everything I own look like ass. Difficult, yes. But pattern matching is something in which those in the business of making patterned shirts should be proficient. Regardless of price.
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