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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 10:55:08 GMT -6
@untucked, pics man! please  So regarding the Gustin plaid shirts and the wonky alignment at the placket and pockets; honestly I never even paid attention to this type of thing until I saw mention of it from somebody either here or back in the Gustin community. I also believe that 99% of the people out there don't even notice it unless it is an extreme issue like the shirt posted earlier. Because it was pointed out by a fellow member I do find myself checking this type of thing on all of my shirts now (thanks buddy, whoever you are but unless it is like the Blue Rust flannel posted a few pages back, it doesn't bother me enough not to wear it if the alignment isn't perfect. My Rustic Blue Twill is off but not enough to justify a return imo, plus I love the shirt so I kept it. I also backed the Black/Green Twill because I love the fabric as well. Again, unless it is completely laughable I will keep the shirt even if the alignment is not perfect. i understand this point of view, but find it unfortunate. i realize there is a hassle involved with returning an item (especially before they willingly offered returns) and a 99% likelihood that you'll never get a corrected shirt in the same fabric...but also know that Gustin has no motivation to make it better. i'm glad people are happy enough with their shirts...but for the prices being asked (and the obvious comparisons to more expensive brands)...i wish customers were willing to hold Gustin more accountable for the issues. it's not like these are $30 clearance items, but $70-120 shirts that most let slide at being 'good enough'. |
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Post by davelewis on Jan 8, 2015 11:01:21 GMT -6
I think that quality pretty much boils down to the same issues with most. We all want gear that is sewn straight, and properly, including alignment, buttons, collars, etc. When products we get come up short, you then have to decide if it is simply acceptable, or not. I have seen too many misalignment issues with Gs patterned shirts to ever try one, but I do own the PHB work shirt, and it is simply the most awesome, and best fitting denim shirt I own.
When it comes to fit, my pairs of Gustin jeans fit wonderfully, and I have only ordered a pair from CF, simply because they offer Duck fabric, where the others don't. There are many posts regarding poor fitting garments, and it seems a lot of the same people are going back to the well, over and over, hoping for a different result. We all know what the definition of that is? Sometime you have to accept that the fit just doesn't work, and move on.
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Post by ickes on Jan 8, 2015 11:25:07 GMT -6
@untucked, pics man! please So regarding the Gustin plaid shirts and the wonky alignment at the placket and pockets; honestly I never even paid attention to this type of thing until I saw mention of it from somebody either here or back in the Gustin community. I also believe that 99% of the people out there don't even notice it unless it is an extreme issue like the shirt posted earlier. Because it was pointed out by a fellow member I do find myself checking this type of thing on all of my shirts now (thanks buddy, whoever you are but unless it is like the Blue Rust flannel posted a few pages back, it doesn't bother me enough not to wear it if the alignment isn't perfect. My Rustic Blue Twill is off but not enough to justify a return imo, plus I love the shirt so I kept it. I also backed the Black/Green Twill because I love the fabric as well. Again, unless it is completely laughable I will keep the shirt even if the alignment is not perfect. i understand this point of view, but find it unfortunate. i realize there is a hassle involved with returning an item (especially before they willingly offered returns) and a 99% likelihood that you'll never get a corrected shirt in the same fabric...but also know that Gustin has no motivation to make it better. i'm glad people are happy enough with their shirts...but for the prices being asked (and the obvious comparisons to more expensive brands)...i wish customers were willing to hold Gustin more accountable for the issues. it's not like these are $30 clearance items, but $70-120 shirts that most let slide at being 'good enough'. and I totally understand this point of view as well and I completely agree with all your points. I think the one thing that makes it all "ok" for me is simply the fact that I love a lot of the shirt fabrics that G puts out and I truly feel they are unique. With the exception of their basic solid Oxfords and two or three plaid fabrics, I honestly have not seen their shirt fabrics used anywhere else by any other company, so I feel I am buying a unique shirt...something uncommon, and I like that. For that reason I guess I can accept a placket and pocket that aren't aligned perfectly. You're right though, for the price we are paying and Gs claim of their shirts being comparable to those in the 175-300 dollar range, it probably shouldn't be that way. It is what it is. |
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 8, 2015 11:38:52 GMT -6
i understand this point of view, but find it unfortunate. i realize there is a hassle involved with returning an item (especially before they willingly offered returns) and a 99% likelihood that you'll never get a corrected shirt in the same fabric...but also know that Gustin has no motivation to make it better. i'm glad people are happy enough with their shirts...but for the prices being asked (and the obvious comparisons to more expensive brands)...i wish customers were willing to hold Gustin more accountable for the issues. it's not like these are $30 clearance items, but $70-120 shirts that most let slide at being 'good enough'. and I totally understand this point of view as well and I completely agree with all your points. I think the one thing that makes it all "ok" for me is simply the fact that I love a lot of the shirt fabrics that G puts out and I truly feel they are unique. With the exception of their basic solid Oxfords and two or three plaid fabrics, I honestly have not seen their shirt fabrics used anywhere else by any other company, so I feel I am buying a unique shirt...something uncommon, and I like that. For that reason I guess I can accept a placket and pocket that aren't aligned perfectly. You're right though, for the price we are paying and Gs claim of their shirts being comparable to those in the 175-300 dollar range, it probably shouldn't be that way. It is what it is. Up until today I swore off backing any patterned Gustin shirt due to the apparent widespread issues I have read about. However, that has changed since I read the point/counterpoint outlined above. I think I could live with a little misalignment and I know if I can't Gustin will take it back for an exchange or refund. Accordingly, I am going to back the Green Black Twill and hope for the best. |
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 8, 2015 11:53:08 GMT -6
I think most of us understand that not all clothiers will supply garments that appeal to everyone. This can be the result of styles, colors, fabrics, FIT, etc.
I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way. Of course, we all know you do not like the fit, or at least that is what I have concluded based on reading your myriad of pontifications regarding the subject. If Gustin changed their work shirt to meet your desires I would not buy it. That is, Gustin's work shirt fit is a "problem" for you not me and many others. This is no different than the fact that I like the Alden Plaza last fit versus their Barrie last. Once you understand this basic rule/law of fashion your life will become a great deal more tranquil and pleasant.
At some point one's continual pontificating on the same subject loses impact and relevancy and just becomes noise. BTW, none of my kids are ugly.
Based on the reviews I read, I don't believe this statement is 100% true: "I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way." Many of members here had expressed concerns about their shirt fit especially the waist is being too wide and shirt length is being too long. There are many posts about putting the "raw denim" work shirt to washer/dryer to "make it work" way before they will wear them for the first time. Some of the members had also sent theirs to tailors to shorten the length/waist. Frankly, for a shirt in this price range, we should not need to go through this type of hassle. Lately the drop off of the complains or discussion of the Gustin work shirt has to do with members have moved on from Gustin Work shirt to Iron Heart, Taylor Stitch, Lawless and other companies instead. I think your post makes my point that since many of the posts that I mentioned above are getting pushing down due to age, if a new member reads your post without reading the whole long thread, they might not get the complete picture to make the right purchase decision. Again, it is their money and I am not going to tell people to not buy a specific item. I am just sharing my experience, so people can make the buying decision themselves with the information they need. I think you are having trouble comprehending the point I am trying to make. First, the fit of the Gustin work shirt will not be to everyone's liking, this is illustrated in my post when I said I like it and pointed out you did not. Any individual reading my post should clearly see this point and will dig deeper or ask questions.
Gustin has produced multiple hundreds, if not more, work shirts over the last 6 months. I think you will be able to find evidence of maybe 5 individuals who felt a tailor was called for and employed. With respect to washing to shrink, did it ever occur to you that maybe Gustin anticipated that some would wash their shirts and took into account this shrinkage when they sewed the shirts up? In any event, I stand by my assertion that a "significant" (not "all", not "most") number of Gustin work shirt customers like the fit of the shirt. I also do not fault you for not liking the fit. I just wish you would have sent it back and I encourage you to send the Wabisabi back for a refund.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 12:28:25 GMT -6
Based on the reviews I read, I don't believe this statement is 100% true: "I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way." Many of members here had expressed concerns about their shirt fit especially the waist is being too wide and shirt length is being too long. There are many posts about putting the "raw denim" work shirt to washer/dryer to "make it work" way before they will wear them for the first time. Some of the members had also sent theirs to tailors to shorten the length/waist. Frankly, for a shirt in this price range, we should not need to go through this type of hassle. Lately the drop off of the complains or discussion of the Gustin work shirt has to do with members have moved on from Gustin Work shirt to Iron Heart, Taylor Stitch, Lawless and other companies instead. I think your post makes my point that since many of the posts that I mentioned above are getting pushing down due to age, if a new member reads your post without reading the whole long thread, they might not get the complete picture to make the right purchase decision. Again, it is their money and I am not going to tell people to not buy a specific item. I am just sharing my experience, so people can make the buying decision themselves with the information they need. I think you are having trouble comprehending the point I am trying to make. First, the fit of the Gustin work shirt will not be to everyone's liking, this is illustrated in my post when I said I like it and pointed out you did not. Any individual reading my post should clearly see this point and will dig deeper or ask questions.
Gustin has produced multiple hundreds, if not more, work shirts over the last 6 months. I think you will be able to find evidence of maybe 5 individuals who felt a tailor was called for and employed. With respect to washing to shrink, did it ever occur to you that maybe Gustin anticipated that some would wash their shirts and took into account this shrinkage when they sewed the shirts up? In any event, I stand by my assertion that a "significant" (not "all", not "most") number of Gustin work shirt customers like the fit of the shirt. I also do not fault you for not liking the fit. I just wish you would have sent it back and I encourage you to send the Wabisabi back for a refund.
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Post by gusjin on Jan 8, 2015 12:54:44 GMT -6
I think you are having trouble comprehending the point I am trying to make. First, the fit of the Gustin work shirt will not be to everyone's liking, this is illustrated in my post when I said I like it and pointed out you did not. Any individual reading my post should clearly see this point and will dig deeper or ask questions.
Gustin has produced multiple hundreds, if not more, work shirts over the last 6 months. I think you will be able to find evidence of maybe 5 individuals who felt a tailor was called for and employed. With respect to washing to shrink, did it ever occur to you that maybe Gustin anticipated that some would wash their shirts and took into account this shrinkage when they sewed the shirts up? In any event, I stand by my assertion that a "significant" (not "all", not "most") number of Gustin work shirt customers like the fit of the shirt. I also do not fault you for not liking the fit. I just wish you would have sent it back and I encourage you to send the Wabisabi back for a refund.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -6
i understand this point of view, but find it unfortunate. i realize there is a hassle involved with returning an item (especially before they willingly offered returns) and a 99% likelihood that you'll never get a corrected shirt in the same fabric...but also know that Gustin has no motivation to make it better. i'm glad people are happy enough with their shirts...but for the prices being asked (and the obvious comparisons to more expensive brands)...i wish customers were willing to hold Gustin more accountable for the issues. it's not like these are $30 clearance items, but $70-120 shirts that most let slide at being 'good enough'. and I totally understand this point of view as well and I completely agree with all your points. I think the one thing that makes it all "ok" for me is simply the fact that I love a lot of the shirt fabrics that G puts out and I truly feel they are unique. With the exception of their basic solid Oxfords and two or three plaid fabrics, I honestly have not seen their shirt fabrics used anywhere else by any other company, so I feel I am buying a unique shirt...something uncommon, and I like that. For that reason I guess I can accept a placket and pocket that aren't aligned perfectly. You're right though, for the price we are paying and Gs claim of their shirts being comparable to those in the 175-300 dollar range, it probably shouldn't be that way. It is what it is.
Edited: No more warnings chaps.
If anyone does not like this, then you have two choices:
1) Ignore posts/posters that you dislike.
2) Leave.
Simply far too much time has been wasted here, and it's the 8th day of the new year. As I said a number of times prior, this is over.
Drop it or the thread gets locked out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 12:58:42 GMT -6
How much for your Wabisabi? i wasn't talking about the shirt.. My message meant something else. Regarding the Wabisabi shirt, I am super busy with my work and no time to look into it yet. The fit is still awful and I am thinking to send it to LD to have it fix. Only concern is the lead time... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:06:47 GMT -6
and I totally understand this point of view as well and I completely agree with all your points. I think the one thing that makes it all "ok" for me is simply the fact that I love a lot of the shirt fabrics that G puts out and I truly feel they are unique. With the exception of their basic solid Oxfords and two or three plaid fabrics, I honestly have not seen their shirt fabrics used anywhere else by any other company, so I feel I am buying a unique shirt...something uncommon, and I like that. For that reason I guess I can accept a placket and pocket that aren't aligned perfectly. You're right though, for the price we are paying and Gs claim of their shirts being comparable to those in the 175-300 dollar range, it probably shouldn't be that way. It is what it is.
1) Ignore posts/posters that you dislike.
2) Leave.
Simply far too much time has been wasted here, and it's the 8th day of the new year. As I said a number of times prior, this is over.
Drop it or the thread gets locked out.
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Post by gusjin on Jan 8, 2015 13:09:26 GMT -6
How much for your Wabisabi? i wasn't talking about the shirt.. My message meant something else. Regarding the Wabisabi shirt, I am super busy with my work and no time to look into it yet. The fit is still awful and I am thinking to send it to LD to have it fix. Only concern is the lead time... I've gotta agree with Jacko Fit is personal preference, unless it's custom, and 'fix' isn't the correct word. I love the fit of my PHB Sell it and put the funds towards another shirt There'a a risk LD won't get it right for you either (fyi full supported of LD here) |
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Post by davelewis on Jan 8, 2015 13:15:05 GMT -6
I have to agree that if you are self conscious about what you are wearing, then you owe it to yourself to send it back, and not accept what you consider unacceptable, and that is totally OK. You pay good money for something, and it has to fit your standards. That said, at this point, I would just totally beat the crap out of it, use it to wrench on your motorcycle if applicable, use it for camping, etc, and just try and get good use from it, and consider it one of life's lessons. For clarification, I am referring to the Hickory stripe, and wouldn't repeat the process with the Wabisabi
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Post by jray on Jan 8, 2015 13:27:46 GMT -6
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is supposed to be fun "This is supposed to be fun"
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 8, 2015 13:31:19 GMT -6
I think you are having trouble comprehending the point I am trying to make. First, the fit of the Gustin work shirt will not be to everyone's liking, this is illustrated in my post when I said I like it and pointed out you did not. Any individual reading my post should clearly see this point and will dig deeper or ask questions.
Gustin has produced multiple hundreds, if not more, work shirts over the last 6 months. I think you will be able to find evidence of maybe 5 individuals who felt a tailor was called for and employed. With respect to washing to shrink, did it ever occur to you that maybe Gustin anticipated that some would wash their shirts and took into account this shrinkage when they sewed the shirts up? In any event, I stand by my assertion that a "significant" (not "all", not "most") number of Gustin work shirt customers like the fit of the shirt. I also do not fault you for not liking the fit. I just wish you would have sent it back and I encourage you to send the Wabisabi back for a refund.
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Post by bentin on Jan 8, 2015 13:31:39 GMT -6
My Wabisabi is actually one of the best fitting off the peg shirts I've bought. I gather nearly all of the alterations for length have been by shorter folks, but at 6'2", length is almost perfect and should come into the ideal range after a wash, which I'll put off until it really stinks for fade purposes.
All this complaint about off the peg sizing when G offers regular, slim and tall fits really seems more like an inability to properly size or a body type that might be better suited to a different brand. I've given up on all kinds of brands because their sizing doesn't gel with my build, but Gustin works for me. If it doesn't for you, try someone else if you've tried all the fits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:05:50 GMT -6
My Wabisabi is actually one of the best fitting off the peg shirts I've bought. I gather nearly all of the alterations for length have been by shorter folks, but at 6'2", length is almost perfect and should come into the ideal range after a wash, which I'll put off until it really stinks for fade purposes. All this complaint about off the peg sizing when G offers regular, slim and tall fits really seems more like an inability to properly size or a body type that might be better suited to a different brand. I've given up on all kinds of brands because their sizing doesn't gel with my build, but Gustin works for me. If it doesn't for you, try someone else if you've tried all the fits. I am 5'10" and the shirt without the wash is covering my whole front. I have two button down G shirts and the top block maybe tighter and waist may be a bit wider than I like, the length is good and you don't hear me to talk much about them. Since I backed the two work shirts before anyone got one, I was surprised on how long and unfitted that it is. Regarding the Wabasabi, I do like the fabric but really have not decided what to do with it. I believe G gets the fabric from Pacific Blue in Los Angeles where had mentioned the fabric being sold out on IG. Maybe I should contact LD and Ciano and see can they talk to Pacific Blue for future availability of the fabric. Frankly, Wabasabi is such as nice fabric and it is a pure shame to wash it and put it into the dryer to shrink before I wear it for the first time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:11:05 GMT -6
This is supposed to be fun I received two bags from LD that I was unhappy with. I gave my review, and that was it. I didn't go to another bag company's topic and bring up the bags and say better quality can be had from x company, and better pricing can be had at y company. I didn't go to the Filson topic and bring up the bags and say better quality can be had from x company, and better pricing can be had at y company. And I didn't go to LD's forum and say better quality can be had from x company, and better pricing from y company, that LD isn't worth buying anymore. And you're right. This IS supposed to be fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:25:40 GMT -6
"This is supposed to be fun"
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It is indeed. Let's keep it that way. [/quote]I think I am lucky that I was in a meeting...... and did not read the post. devastitis Let's be friend or at least try to be friend. I have nothing against you as a person and I actually like your clothing style a lot. We just have a different in opinion. Please don't get personal. It is just clothes with bunch of guys talking BS that suppose to be fun. Cheers.
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Post by davelewis on Jan 8, 2015 15:10:10 GMT -6
Let us all take a que from our old friend Rodney King, and "cant we all just get along"
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 8, 2015 16:56:27 GMT -6
Let us all take a que from our old friend Rodney King, and "cant we all just get along" Personally is rather take advice from a different Rodney....Dangerfield "everybody is gonna get laid!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 17:50:30 GMT -6
Let us all take a que from our old friend Rodney King, and "cant we all just get along" Personally is rather take advice from a different Rodney....Dangerfield "everybody is gonna get laid!" Not me. I AM MARRIED. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 8, 2015 21:26:28 GMT -6
Personally is rather take advice from a different Rodney....Dangerfield "everybody is gonna get laid!" Not me. I AM MARRIED. UR DOIN IT WRONG |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 22:21:27 GMT -6
Lol I have clicked this pic so many times. But I also went and checked all my G shirts with patterns. I still laugh when I click the pic, but it always end in crying.  All of mine are also off....not as bad as the rofl above (sorry man), some have a good pocket and slight miss on the plaquet and other are slightly off on everything. This is really wierd, since my cheap flannels are better: dressmann.com/en/7155574_F280I never knew this was even an issue before Gustin. I only have two G pattern shirts... Need to go check tonight when I get home. Just check my Bright Plaid shirt and except the pocket, the pattern on the front, shoulder and back are all misaligned. Same as Griffin and I never even know that can be an issue on a shirt. I am now subconscious about the misalignment and finally understand why people is no longer buying Gustin patten shirt. Seriously, "Made in USA" denim products meant "quality" and "heritage" in Asia especially Japan and my shirt is not reflecting that spirit. Sorry, I am getting all work up again. This is just unacceptable. (Btw, I got the shirt used, so please don't ask me to return it to Gustin) |
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Post by Vincent on Jan 9, 2015 2:30:54 GMT -6
usctroll : agreed. I have H&M shirts I payed 25 euros, pattern is perfectly aligned, buttons are also very good. Fit is on point, no weird side scoops. Made in Bangladesh. exophobe and @david : actually I didn't send it back. Cody told me to keep it so I could use it as a work shirt or donate it locally. I prefer to keep it as a reminder to never buy Gustin again. To be fair with the brand though, I also have a Grey Ember flannel and an Indian Summer flannel and the pattern alignment is ok, not perfect, but ok. My main concern is the stitching that is pretty sloppy. Anyway like I said to usctroll my H&M shirts made in Bangladesh are more premium than the Gustin one. Old26 davelewis stinky brentkuz : on the topic of unhappy customers on the Gustin forum nowadays : We've been there previously and unfortunately it looks like they don't learn from their mistakes. They've been given a half million dollar to kick start the new business model of the company and they're screwing up everything. Such a shame. bentin : not sure people noticed but the collar is abysmal, completely asymetrical. bennyrum : My heavyweight belt also came smaller than expected, by 1.5 inch. On the other hand I have two classic belts from Gustin and the sizing perfectly matches the fit guide. It looks like you never know what you'll get. @untucked : Sure we want to see pics of your Cone Crosshatch. @rex : Good to see you here brah ! I remember the good times we had on the Gustin board. I'm gonna make some Mother Thyme Cookies to celebrate. ickes : I totally understand your point of view, but since the shirts are advertised as premium, don't you think the alignment should be perfect ? Griffin exophobe I was not only disappointed when I got that shirt, I also felt insulted. But in the end it is just a shirt and there's way more important things in life. Me, I'm just an unhappy customer, but Gustin ? This is their brand, their job, their life. Now I feel too that this shirt is laughable. And this is supposed to be fun right ? If you want a good laugh, watch the pics here imgur.com/a/W80qB and read this out loud : "Shirts using our quality of material and construction are typically priced at $175 to $300." Or with that simple slogan : "Redefining Premium Menswear". Maybe even funnier while drinking a glass of whisky.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 9, 2015 6:15:05 GMT -6
The interesting thing about that shirt, Vincent, is that the placket and pocket are pretty well aligned, even though the shirt is at a slope.
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