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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 16:32:09 GMT -6
In life, people vote with their feet. If you don't like to read my comments or other people's comments about Gustin, don't read them. But you have no right to tell people what they should do or what they should not do. There are one or two members here that I disagree with and I totally don't read their posts on certain subjects. If the mod here has no problems with their posts, I don't have problems with them continue to participate. I think you guys need to meet for a drink or something and hug this shit out. Your ongoing feud is getting kind of silly. No one has the perfect formula for proper way to be critical or complimentary . . . please recognize this and learn how to play in the same sandbox together. FTR, I have taken a dose of my own advice lately as well. Cheers. There is no ongoing feud at least on my side. The founders (you and myself included) created this forum to express our opinions "freely" about Gustin, Lawless and others. I just want to make sure people can continue express their opinions here on their purchases if/when they like. If we cross the line, there are mods here to tell us to stop. |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 7, 2015 16:32:18 GMT -6
Gustin is hinting about shoes now on Instagram. Sure wish they'd fix things before going off on yet another venture. But boys will be boys...
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Post by felizuno on Jan 7, 2015 17:10:50 GMT -6
Gustin is hinting about shoes now on Instagram. Sure wish they'd fix things before going off on yet another venture. But boys will be boys... I know he says "soon", but I get the impression it's more "Some day, and I'm really optimistic about my business, so hopefully some day soon". Producing shoes is a nightmare, producing shoes in the USA is worse, and offering them at a price that competes with Allen Edmonds, Sebago, Rancourt etc. is going to be hard because those brands go on sale all the time. They would have to offer an amazing price before I would consider them over Quoddy for made in the U.S.A. casual shoes. |
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Post by quick on Jan 7, 2015 18:42:57 GMT -6
indigo x persimmon back tomorrow?
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Post by Winterland on Jan 7, 2015 20:03:56 GMT -6
I just received a Gustin heavyweight natural belt that I backed in early November. It's my first natural belt and the leather does feel substantial and interesting. However, the size from buckle to center hole as described by their fit guide is off by over a half inch, combined with the thickness of the belt is enough to put me one hole looser to the last hole. I wear a 30 slim in Gustin denim and a size 32 belt shouldn't be on the last hole, should it? I can still wear it fine and it looks good, so it's not enough to make me want to send it back, I guess I'll just stay on the bike and not gain too much weight anytime soon. I'll be getting a belt from stevekas pretty soon, I'll compare sizing to that before I make any final judgements Did you measure a belt you have as described in their fit guide? I wear a Gustin 30 slim and ordered a 34 belt, based on their measuring guide and it fits perfect. The overall length is a little long but I trimmed it down. The holes line up fine. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 7, 2015 21:36:16 GMT -6
indigo x persimmon back tomorrow? Dunno about tomorrow specifically, but per the comments on Instagram they are definitely coming back. |
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Post by jeffrx on Jan 7, 2015 22:09:14 GMT -6
Gustin is hinting about shoes now on Instagram. Sure wish they'd fix things before going off on yet another venture. But boys will be boys... LOL - I will never buy a pair of shoes from them! I like Gustin, but shoes? No Way |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 7, 2015 22:12:02 GMT -6
Gustin is hinting about shoes now on Instagram. Sure wish they'd fix things before going off on yet another venture. But boys will be boys... LOL - I will never buy a pair of shoes from them! I like Gustin, but shoes? No Way I won't buy footwear from any startup. It's too important and too difficult to do right. Same goes for leather jackets. Some gear must be made by pros... |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 7, 2015 22:18:16 GMT -6
In life, people vote with their feet. If you don't like to read my comments or other people's comments about Gustin, don't read them. But you have no right to tell people what they should do or what they should not do. There are one or two members here that I disagree with and I totally don't read their posts on certain subjects. If the mod here has no problems with their posts, I don't have problems with them continue to participate. I think the point is that after a while it starts to become disingenuous. You create a perception that Gustin can't make a single workshirt right when every three pages or so it's back to ranting about the same shirt. I know we agreed to disagree on this point, but having washed your shirt with a garment you knew was going to bleed, and then posting pictures of how it made the shirt look is no longer a Gustin issue, but rather a "MiddleAge" issue. I think something cool you could do since you've written it off anyway is start a new thread, "The destruction of a Gustin workshirt" and then chronicle all the shit you put the thing through, and turn it into something like when Top Gear tried to destroy a Toyota pickup. Then it becomes a different thing entirely, doesn't continue to use the first run of a shirt to sway opinion of the product coming out now, and I'd love the hell out of reading it. Hell, it might even be fun for you. Lets see what happens when you wash it with a new red towel and bleach simultaneously, etc. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 7, 2015 22:18:26 GMT -6
With more new members and guests coming to this forum, it is extremely important for members to continue remind/express/discuss both positive and negative current/past experiences about the vendors, so the new wave of users can benefit by using those feedback to make future purchase decisions. The new wave of users are not going to read every single old posts. Until vendor has shown some drastic differences of their customers experiences, the only way to keep the content current and up on the top for new users to read is for members to continue share their current/past experiences. STRONGLY DISCONCUR. Past experience is, by definition, less relevant with each passing day. This internet commerce thing is a "What have you done for me lately?" business, as amply evidenced by the rapid shift in many opinions re: Gustin (and other vendors of note here) over the past few months. I wouldn't consider it terribly constructive, for example, to repeatedly remind everyone who just received 15-oz Zimbabwes without the veg tan patch that, hey, don't forget the pair I got several months ago had the correct patch. That's of quite limited relevance to the most recent run of Zims, which should carry more weight in shaping the opinions of new visitors here than something that happened to one guy with one pair of jeans a while back. Every time the same old story gets resurrected for another spin on the merry-go-round, that places a burden on anyone with a countervailing experience to also recount *his* same old story if he wants to try to bring balance to The Force. Since most people feel a lot more energetic when aggrieved compared to when they're satisfied, what tends to happen is that the criticism has more staying power than the praise, and that results in a rather biased representation of what's really going on. And criticism without resolution is just whining. And, as my 7-year-old will tell you, daddy says whining is the path to the Dark Side. Whining leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...a tedious and unproductive discourse about pants. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 23:30:21 GMT -6
With more new members and guests coming to this forum, it is extremely important for members to continue remind/express/discuss both positive and negative current/past experiences about the vendors, so the new wave of users can benefit by using those feedback to make future purchase decisions. The new wave of users are not going to read every single old posts. Until vendor has shown some drastic differences of their customers experiences, the only way to keep the content current and up on the top for new users to read is for members to continue share their current/past experiences. STRONGLY DISCONCUR. Past experience is, by definition, less relevant with each passing day. This internet commerce thing is a "What have you done for me lately?" business, as amply evidenced by the rapid shift in many opinions re: Gustin (and other vendors of note here) over the past few months. I wouldn't consider it terribly constructive, for example, to repeatedly remind everyone who just received 15-oz Zimbabwes without the veg tan patch that, hey, don't forget the pair I got several months ago had the correct patch. That's of quite limited relevance to the most recent run of Zims, which should carry more weight in shaping the opinions of new visitors here than something that happened to one guy with one pair of jeans a while back. Every time the same old story gets resurrected for another spin on the merry-go-round, that places a burden on anyone with a countervailing experience to also recount *his* same old story if he wants to try to bring balance to The Force. Since most people feel a lot more energetic when aggrieved compared to when they're satisfied, what tends to happen is that the criticism has more staying power than the praise, and that results in a rather biased representation of what's really going on. And criticism without resolution is just whining. And, as my 7-year-old will tell you, daddy says whining is the path to the Dark Side. Whining leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...a tedious and unproductive discourse about pants. I agree and "relevant" is the key. If things have changed and it is no longer the case, I agree. However, if the vendors are continue to behave in certain way, I believe it is beneficial for the senior members to continue share our honest opinions, so the new members can aware the situation and to make decision based on those information. If you use my work shirt as an example, after three months, the fit between my Hickory Strike and the new Wabisabi I got this week is absolutely the same. However, there is a huge drop off of conversation about the fit issue lately. The reason is not because the fit suddenly is being corrected by Gustin. It is just many of the senior members had moved on from the work shirt due to the fit issues and suddenly, a problem new members need to be aware are being pushed down. Anyway, I am not whining or being angry or hate. Beside the work shirt, I also post pictures of other items to this forum that I think people may be interested to know and I hope someone can benefit by my experience. My work shirt reviews are just touching more people nerves and almost like I am telling them their children are ugly. Seriously, if someone read my work shirt reviews and feel angry or hate, that person need to examine the reason "why". I am talking about MY SHIRT. Not your shirt or your family or your spouse. Don't get all work up because of it. |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 7, 2015 23:38:06 GMT -6
I'm reaching the point where I think that we should just post up once on an experience if it's a negative one. Will it eventually get lost? Yup. But I think to continually post up on a bad shirt/jeans/belt is of no value. At some point, people have to weigh the risks of this model for themselves. Most of us here went into this KS thing with Gustin, and experienced all the ups and downs. I don't think we're going to just keep beating the same drum here in regards to the risks and past bad experiences.
So all, let's move onward. If folks have a new issue to offer up, post it. But if someone comes in asking about the Gustin Work Shirt again, PM them and give them your story. We've just begun the new year, and the same old battles and trolling have not stopped.
We've been very tolerant here, but it's reached the point where lately I've spent at last as much time administrating as I have posting and reading about cool gear, etc.
Consider this the last of the humane warnings. Going forward, the battles over the same re-hashed sh*t will go. Not pointed at anyone, but at everyone.
Happy 2015. Back to the fun fellas.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 8, 2015 3:16:02 GMT -6
I keep coming back to look at this shirt and it keeps blowing my mind. Not sure how I missed this before, but that pattern is off by what, 1.5" at the shoulder seam/yoke? I thought we were just talking about the placket before. I had to click on it and have another laugh again. Man. Lol I have clicked this pic so many times. But I also went and checked all my G shirts with patterns. I still laugh when I click the pic, but it always end in crying.  All of mine are also off....not as bad as the rofl above (sorry man), some have a good pocket and slight miss on the plaquet and other are slightly off on everything. This is really wierd, since my cheap flannels are better: dressmann.com/en/7155574_F280I never knew this was even an issue before Gustin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 5:39:10 GMT -6
If y'all think that shirt is funny, you guys would sh!t yourselves in laughter if I post pics of my #92 Cone Crosshatch... Originally, I noticed they were "skewed"/"wonky" so I only wore them like ONCE in the Philippines, because honestly, it's the Philippines..... I revived them about 2 months ago, still RAW/unwashed/unsoaked, and good golly Miss Molly!
If there is enough curiousity, I will post some pics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 6:22:49 GMT -6
If y'all think that shirt is funny, you guys would sh!t yourselves in laughter if I post pics of my #92 Cone Crosshatch... Originally, I noticed they were "skewed"/"wonky" so I only wore them like ONCE in the Philippines, because honestly, it's the Philippines..... I revived them about 2 months ago, still RAW/unwashed/unsoaked, and good golly Miss Molly! If there is enough curiousity, I will post some pics. Dude, don't try and build hype...you know the people want pics! There was a time that I liked watching Gustin grow. It seemed things were getting better but I had to go...and it wasn't because my jeans didn't fit. It was everyone else. Not that I really care about any of you jerks or anything, but it was all the hardcore brahs that got the beasts and sacksquashers jacked up that gave me a sad.  I still check their releases and I thought they were killing it. New stuff all the time, everything still selling and making to 100% (even those ridiculous hats!). I thought that Lord Gustin was getting it all together and now I read this. and I saw that amazing flannel shirt...wow. Premium. Those guys were way ahead of the curve at one time. Oh well, still like the Gustins I have, but there are other options now...even if they do send the wrong material or miss items in your order and everyone is late. Well, except the customer. We always pay on time. so yeah, let's see pictures of ridiculous jeans! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 6:27:33 GMT -6
If y'all think that shirt is funny, you guys would sh!t yourselves in laughter if I post pics of my #92 Cone Crosshatch... Originally, I noticed they were "skewed"/"wonky" so I only wore them like ONCE in the Philippines, because honestly, it's the Philippines..... I revived them about 2 months ago, still RAW/unwashed/unsoaked, and good golly Miss Molly! If there is enough curiousity, I will post some pics. Dude, don't try and build hype...you know the people want pics! There was a time that I liked watching Gustin grow. It seemed things were getting better but I had to go...and it wasn't because my jeans didn't fit. It was everyone else. Not that I really care about any of you jerks or anything, but it was all the hardcore brahs that got the beasts and sacksquashers jacked up that gave me a sad. I still check their releases and I thought they were killing it. New stuff all the time, everything still selling and making to 100% (even those ridiculous hats!). I thought that Lord Gustin was getting it all together and now I read this. and I saw that amazing flannel shirt...wow. Premium. Those guys were way ahead of the curve at one time. Oh well, still like the Gustins I have, but there are other options now...even if they do send the wrong material or miss items in your order and everyone is late. Well, except the customer. We always pay on time. so yeah, let's see pictures of ridiculous jeans! I just want the pictures to be INVITED before I get labled a hater/basher blah, blah, blah |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 6:44:42 GMT -6
The denim world is so weird. A company jacks up your order and if you say anything, the brahs vilify you. Sometimes it isn't even in the presentation. You can try to wordsmith it for hours and make it so it is just the facts and they still rally and attack. That is why I just get surly to begin with in anticipation of the backlash. My ciano review was a little harsh, but waiting for months and seeing so much wrong had an impact on me. I think with this business model, us brahs and some limited information supplied by Lord Gustin is all we have...and I will take yous guys' opinion and descriptions over L.G.'s any day. So posting these jeans wouldn't make you a hater, it would make you a hero! Don't worry about gustin, because gustin doesn't worry about you. This is business. Ok, maybe they do worry about you, but they don't worry about Vincent!  |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 8, 2015 7:11:33 GMT -6
I've had three types of orders from Gustin.
Amazing and worth every dollar I paid then some. Items so awesome I would recommend anyone to buy. Granted my sizing worked and no QC issues. Items like the heavyweight natural belt, zimbs, grey and blue silks, super heavies. 100% awesome and I love them. Gustin really does source some awesome fabrics to me the denim is the best.
Orders that got canceled or heavy delays in production. Let's face it there are risks with the crowd funding model. One six never got produced just didn't had fabric same with my orange plaid shirt whoops no fabric. Sucks. My duffle was almost 4 months, chore coats taking extra month.
QC issues. Jeans coming in small, got shipped the wrong tagged size, stitching all wonky, fabric issues. Once again stinks but these issues should have been caught before I even got them. Cone blueXblacks and 23's came in at 34slim instead of 36slim. 26'ers came in at 35slim. Ok's 35 slim instead of 36slim.
So yes sometimes I love Gustin and sing praises of a certain item. And sometimes I'm pissed .
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Post by Griffin on Jan 8, 2015 7:41:18 GMT -6
L.G makes phones and teves. Not jeans. You are a Lion, I am a witch, where is the wardrobe? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:56:01 GMT -6
Dude, don't try and build hype...you know the people want pics! There was a time that I liked watching Gustin grow. It seemed things were getting better but I had to go...and it wasn't because my jeans didn't fit. It was everyone else. Not that I really care about any of you jerks or anything, but it was all the hardcore brahs that got the beasts and sacksquashers jacked up that gave me a sad. I still check their releases and I thought they were killing it. New stuff all the time, everything still selling and making to 100% (even those ridiculous hats!). I thought that Lord Gustin was getting it all together and now I read this. and I saw that amazing flannel shirt...wow. Premium. Those guys were way ahead of the curve at one time. Oh well, still like the Gustins I have, but there are other options now...even if they do send the wrong material or miss items in your order and everyone is late. Well, except the customer. We always pay on time. so yeah, let's see pictures of ridiculous jeans! I just want the pictures to be INVITED before I get labled a hater/basher blah, blah, blah PLEASE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 9:00:18 GMT -6
I had to click on it and have another laugh again. Man. Lol I have clicked this pic so many times. But I also went and checked all my G shirts with patterns. I still laugh when I click the pic, but it always end in crying. All of mine are also off....not as bad as the rofl above (sorry man), some have a good pocket and slight miss on the plaquet and other are slightly off on everything. This is really wierd, since my cheap flannels are better: dressmann.com/en/7155574_F280I never knew this was even an issue before Gustin. I only have two G pattern shirts... Need to go check tonight when I get home. |
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 8, 2015 9:13:16 GMT -6
STRONGLY DISCONCUR. Past experience is, by definition, less relevant with each passing day. This internet commerce thing is a "What have you done for me lately?" business, as amply evidenced by the rapid shift in many opinions re: Gustin (and other vendors of note here) over the past few months. I wouldn't consider it terribly constructive, for example, to repeatedly remind everyone who just received 15-oz Zimbabwes without the veg tan patch that, hey, don't forget the pair I got several months ago had the correct patch. That's of quite limited relevance to the most recent run of Zims, which should carry more weight in shaping the opinions of new visitors here than something that happened to one guy with one pair of jeans a while back. Every time the same old story gets resurrected for another spin on the merry-go-round, that places a burden on anyone with a countervailing experience to also recount *his* same old story if he wants to try to bring balance to The Force. Since most people feel a lot more energetic when aggrieved compared to when they're satisfied, what tends to happen is that the criticism has more staying power than the praise, and that results in a rather biased representation of what's really going on. And criticism without resolution is just whining. And, as my 7-year-old will tell you, daddy says whining is the path to the Dark Side. Whining leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...a tedious and unproductive discourse about pants. I agree and "relevant" is the key. If things have changed and it is no longer the case, I agree. However, if the vendors are continue to behave in certain way, I believe it is beneficial for the senior members to continue share our honest opinions, so the new members can aware the situation and to make decision based on those information. If you use my work shirt as an example, after three months, the fit between my Hickory Strike and the new Wabisabi I got this week is absolutely the same. However, there is a huge drop off of conversation about the fit issue lately. The reason is not because the fit suddenly is being corrected by Gustin. It is just many of the senior members had moved on from the work shirt due to the fit issues and suddenly, a problem new members need to be aware are being pushed down. Anyway, I am not whining or being angry or hate. Beside the work shirt, I also post pictures of other items to this forum that I think people may be interested to know and I hope someone can benefit by my experience. My work shirt reviews are just touching more people nerves and almost like I am telling them their children are ugly. Seriously, if someone read my work shirt reviews and feel angry or hate, that person need to examine the reason "why". I am talking about MY SHIRT. Not your shirt or your family or your spouse. Don't get all work up because of it. I think most of us understand that not all clothiers will supply garments that appeal to everyone. This can be the result of styles, colors, fabrics, FIT, etc.
I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way. Of course, we all know you do not like the fit, or at least that is what I have concluded based on reading your myriad of pontifications regarding the subject. If Gustin changed their work shirt to meet your desires I would not buy it. That is, Gustin's work shirt fit is a "problem" for you not me and many others. This is no different than the fact that I like the Alden Plaza last fit versus their Barrie last. Once you understand this basic rule/law of fashion your life will become a great deal more tranquil and pleasant.
At some point one's continual pontificating on the same subject loses impact and relevancy and just becomes noise. BTW, none of my kids are ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 10:24:39 GMT -6
I agree and "relevant" is the key. If things have changed and it is no longer the case, I agree. However, if the vendors are continue to behave in certain way, I believe it is beneficial for the senior members to continue share our honest opinions, so the new members can aware the situation and to make decision based on those information. If you use my work shirt as an example, after three months, the fit between my Hickory Strike and the new Wabisabi I got this week is absolutely the same. However, there is a huge drop off of conversation about the fit issue lately. The reason is not because the fit suddenly is being corrected by Gustin. It is just many of the senior members had moved on from the work shirt due to the fit issues and suddenly, a problem new members need to be aware are being pushed down. Anyway, I am not whining or being angry or hate. Beside the work shirt, I also post pictures of other items to this forum that I think people may be interested to know and I hope someone can benefit by my experience. My work shirt reviews are just touching more people nerves and almost like I am telling them their children are ugly. Seriously, if someone read my work shirt reviews and feel angry or hate, that person need to examine the reason "why". I am talking about MY SHIRT. Not your shirt or your family or your spouse. Don't get all work up because of it. I think most of us understand that not all clothiers will supply garments that appeal to everyone. This can be the result of styles, colors, fabrics, FIT, etc.
I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way. Of course, we all know you do not like the fit, or at least that is what I have concluded based on reading your myriad of pontifications regarding the subject. If Gustin changed their work shirt to meet your desires I would not buy it. That is, Gustin's work shirt fit is a "problem" for you not me and many others. This is no different than the fact that I like the Alden Plaza last fit versus their Barrie last. Once you understand this basic rule/law of fashion your life will become a great deal more tranquil and pleasant.
At some point one's continual pontificating on the same subject loses impact and relevancy and just becomes noise. BTW, none of my kids are ugly.
Based on the reviews I read, I don't believe this statement is 100% true: "I like how my Gustin Zimbabwe work shirt fits (and the construction of mine is impeccable) and it appears a significant number of Gustin customers feel the same way." Many of members here had expressed concerns about their shirt fit especially the waist is being too wide and shirt length is being too long. There are many posts about putting the "raw denim" work shirt to washer/dryer to "make it work" way before they will wear them for the first time. Some of the members had also sent theirs to tailors to shorten the length/waist. Frankly, for a shirt in this price range, we should not need to go through this type of hassle. Lately the drop off of the complains or discussion of the Gustin work shirt has to do with members have moved on from Gustin Work shirt to Iron Heart, Taylor Stitch, Lawless and other companies instead. I think your post makes my point that since many of the posts that I mentioned above are getting pushing down due to age, if a new member reads your post without reading the whole long thread, they might not get the complete picture to make the right purchase decision. Again, it is their money and I am not going to tell people to not buy a specific item. I am just sharing my experience, so people can make the buying decision themselves with the information they need. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 10:38:02 GMT -6
So posting these jeans wouldn't make you a hater, it would make you a hero! This is true until you start posting it in every thread on every board, regardless of its relevance. Then it just becomes a tired non-sequitur that looks more like a single disgruntled customer than a font of information for unsuspecting new customers. |
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Post by ickes on Jan 8, 2015 10:40:01 GMT -6
@untucked, pics man! please  So regarding the Gustin plaid shirts and the wonky alignment at the placket and pockets; honestly I never even paid attention to this type of thing until I saw mention of it from somebody either here or back in the Gustin community. I also believe that 99% of the people out there don't even notice it unless it is an extreme issue like the shirt posted earlier. Because it was pointed out by a fellow member I do find myself checking this type of thing on all of my shirts now (thanks buddy, whoever you are but unless it is like the Blue Rust flannel posted a few pages back, it doesn't bother me enough not to wear it if the alignment isn't perfect. My Rustic Blue Twill is off but not enough to justify a return imo, plus I love the shirt so I kept it. I also backed the Black/Green Twill because I love the fabric as well. Again, unless it is completely laughable I will keep the shirt even if the alignment is not perfect. |
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