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Post by wisdom on Jun 8, 2015 20:33:00 GMT -6
I haven't taken a serious and detailed look at G's sneakers, so the comparison is probably way off, but I used to buy GEOX sneakers when I lived in Italy.. cheap and they lasted a long time. They have some leather versions.. not sure where they're made, though.
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Post by brentkuz on Jun 8, 2015 20:45:48 GMT -6
I'm thinking about a new pair of white chucks or JP sigs.
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Post by Old26 on Jun 8, 2015 21:14:32 GMT -6
Everyone is entitled to post here. "Hating" is what - not agreeing with you? Maybe now that you broke the ice, others will chime in with support of the G kicks. I only do what I want - don't rightly care about what others think/do. So always post up your 2¢ here!  Ugh, sorry…didn't mean it like that. Guess I was just shocked that it seemed no one was happy with the sneakers. Just playing the devil's advocate. Anyways, I thought "hating" is what the kids say when they verbalize their dislike for something, but I'm an old man and am easily confused. That said, I have enjoyed the follow up conversations so maybe the bear did need a little poking.  Haha! All good. Nothing comes across as expected in online forums. I probably sounded just as snarky, so apologies. I like good banter, so post away! There aren't enough of us old farts here anyhoo... |
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Post by efrenlopez on Jun 8, 2015 22:43:21 GMT -6
Are there that many male nurses? Who else would buy that white hospital shoe? Horrible. In streetwear all-white sneaks are extremely popular. They are also popular with 20'somethings who will wear them with button up shirts and indigo jeans. |
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Post by efrenlopez on Jun 8, 2015 22:51:25 GMT -6
IMO, sneakers have always been for toolin' around the house or neighborhood, chasing the dog in the backyard, running with my daughter on the playground, etc. That's why I just look for sneakers that are comfortable, look cool, and are (relatively cheap). I could never justify or understand the desire to spend $100+ or $200+ on sneakers. I try and save that kind of scratch for a good pair of jeans, some new boots (like Iron Rangers), or whathaveyou. I mean, they're sneakers for God's sake. You slip them on and run to the grocery store or head out to have a few beers with friends on a patio some place. If you get some grass stains on 'em or you spill some beer on 'em then no big deal. But with these G sneakers, holy crap would I be pissed if I scuffed them up or had them get stepped on. I'm really surprised by the responses like this. Streetwear, gentleman. You wear a nice pair of sneaks for a night out, cleaning the soles that night before you go out. Yes, it may not be what many here would ever do, but I'm shocked people do not get that there's a whole group of younger guys out there who wear this. Now, whether that crowd is Gustin's target is a whole other story. But I am getting the impression that since so many of you do not "get" sneakers Gustin may have missed the mark somehow, since most of you are absolute denim heads. Or maybe they are just trying to expand into street wear, in which case I would say greats already has that covered, cheaper and faster. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jun 8, 2015 23:19:20 GMT -6
For the life of me I'll never understand the point or motivation for putting such a long-lasting, gorgeous material that gets more beautiful with age (Horween Chromexcel) on top of such a junky, non-replaceable sole that is bound to blow out before the leather begins to even show its beauty. It's a shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 1:38:07 GMT -6
For the life of me I'll never understand the point or motivation for putting such a long-lasting, gorgeous material that gets more beautiful with age (Horween Chromexcel) on top of such a junky, non-replaceable sole that is bound to blow out before the leather begins to even show its beauty. It's a shame. Maybe not similarly replaceable, but a really good cobbler could remove that rubber crap, put a hand-stitched welt and leather/vibram/crepe soles easily. Greenwich Vintage Co. could, Brian the Bootmaker could, and The Shoe Surgeon could, just to name a few of the mainstream popular social media guys. |
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Post by elim on Jun 9, 2015 1:44:26 GMT -6
The Gustins looks more premium both in materials and making, but do you really need premium sneakers? Do you really need premium jeans? ;-) P.S. Converse are made of unknown material (random textile) in China or Vietnam under unknown working conditions vs Gustins are made of nappa or even horween leatherin in Italy (IMHO the best country of origin for premium footwear) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 1:51:53 GMT -6
The Gustins looks more premium both in materials and making, but do you really need premium sneakers? Do you really need premium jeans? ;-) P.S. Converse are made of unknown material (random textile) in China or Vietnam under unknown working conditions vs Gustins are made of nappa or even horween leatherin in Italy (IMHO the best country of origin for premium footwear) Depends on the category of premium footwear though. |
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Post by elim on Jun 9, 2015 4:01:38 GMT -6
Gustins are made of nappa or even horween leatherin in Italy (IMHO the best country of origin for premium footwear) Depends on the category of premium footwear though. Correct! I better specify: for casual sneakers made of leather I have not seen better than Italian made shoes (e.g. Common Projects, Buttero, Pantofola d'oro). |
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Post by Griffin on Jun 9, 2015 4:27:39 GMT -6
Yes we need premium jeans. The difference here that seems hard to get is huge. 1. A product that you can have a long time and will age beautifully. 2. A product that will not be with you for more then 2 years. 3. Nr2. but very expensive. Whatever the product - wallet, pants, jacket, shoes, belt, watch strap etc, I will always put money into number 1. because I f!@king love the patina.  So yes I have some of nr. 2 but they will come and go but most of my nr.1 are still with me and keeps getting better. I would believe sneakers will always fall under 2. simply because of how they are made. So if they also are expensive they fall under number 3. wich is where most of the fashion products will go, and they price/performance(longetivity/well madeness) is way off, but people pay it to be "in". I dont buy clothes to be in. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jun 9, 2015 7:21:30 GMT -6
I haven't gotten the vibe that Gustin is huge with the street wear culture. I basically see jeans/chinos with a button down and sneakers from college kids out at bars for there version of dressed up.
Converse all stars are also $45.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:42:38 GMT -6
I haven't gotten the vibe that Gustin is huge with the street wear culture. I basically see jeans/chinos with a button down and sneakers from college kids out at bars for there version of dressed up. Converse all stars are also $45. Levis are also $45. |
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Post by julian on Jun 9, 2015 7:44:12 GMT -6
Streetwear, gentleman. You wear a nice pair of sneaks for a night out, cleaning the soles that night before you go out. That made me smile. With my top-tier pairs I basically treat them exactly like my best denim... never wear them out if there's a chance of rain and tend to avoid wearing them if the evening is going to mainly be dedicated to a meal (not that I tend to spill my food and drink but... THERE'S A CHANCE). With some outfits I think the right trainer can look smarter than boots and certainly suit the overall look better. And, yep, I'm afraid I also Jason Markk and anti-bacterial spray the soles of my best trainers after I've worn them outside. I thought I was nuts for doing it at first but it's really only about the same level of care and maintenance that I put into leather boots. Unless you're wearing them all the time, or for sports/gym use, a decent pair of (well looked after) trainers can last many, many years and essentially still look almost indistiguishable from new. All of that said, the G trainers aren't really my thing and I don't like the idea of the landed price including shipping of the leather from the US to Italy, of the shoes from Italy back to the US and then the shoes to the UK (plus all the various taxes and duties that will involve). Especially when any shoes made in Italy attract zero additional taxes if bought direct from the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:48:58 GMT -6
Yes we need premium jeans. The difference here that seems hard to get is huge. 1. A product that you can have a long time and will age beautifully. 2. A product that will not be with you for more then 2 years. 3. Nr2. but very expensive. Whatever the product - wallet, pants, jacket, shoes, belt, watch strap etc, I will always put money into number 1. because I f!@king love the patina. So yes I have some of nr. 2 but they will come and go but most of my nr.1 are still with me and keeps getting better. I would believe sneakers will always fall under 2. simply because of how they are made. So if they also are expensive they fall under number 3. wich is where most of the fashion products will go, and they price/performance(longetivity/well madeness) is way off, but people pay it to be "in". I dont buy clothes to be in. Quality leather sneakers, just like a pair of quality leather dress shoes or boots, will last you years as long as you treat them with the same care and attention you would a pair of dress shoes or boots. If you think a pair of leather sneakers won't last you more than two years, then you're clearly not the demographic that would invest hundreds in leather sneakers. I didn't buy my Allen Edmonds dress shoes or Red Wing/Wolverine boots to last me a few years, but a decade. And I fully intend to care for them so that they do. Same goes for those who purchase higher end sneakers like CPs/Butteros/etc. |
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Post by julian on Jun 9, 2015 7:55:47 GMT -6
I haven't gotten the vibe that Gustin is huge with the street wear culture. They're really not, as a brand, at all. But some of their jeans work really nicely within mainly streetwear based outfits. I often wear their Japan GreyXGrey jeans with a very wide range of pure streetwear jackets as they work so well with almost all of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:58:41 GMT -6
I'm going to be in Italy next month. I'm going to try and play a game: see if I can find an Italian made sneaker equal to the gustin price or lower. I'm betting it can be done with ease... I'm sure it is, just like finding Japanese made denim in Japan for cheaper than the Gustin price or lower. Why are people feeling slighted by the price? Does anyone know how much G is making off of each pair of shoes? I don't, and if I was in the market for a pair of leather sneakers, I don't think they're exorbitant at all. Gustin has priced their shoes to be the same as competitors who are also striving to crack into the higher end market. |
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Post by julian on Jun 9, 2015 8:13:26 GMT -6
Gustin has priced their shoes to be the same as competitors who are also striving to crack into the higher end market. This is where it all falls down, a little, though. Gustin has absolutely zero heritage in footwear. Nobody yet knows what the quality of the pieces will truly be like and nobody knows how they might fit/wear etc. As everyone now knows from the photos, their first release of shoes offers virtually nothing at all over established brands. Given all of that, plus the almost Lawless-esque style lead time, the pricing does seem on the higher side - especially as they themselves are the ones who always bang on about how their model allows them to be less expensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 8:15:35 GMT -6
Are there that many male nurses? Who else would buy that white hospital shoe? Horrible. In streetwear all-white sneaks are extremely popular. They are also popular with 20'somethings who will wear them with button up shirts and indigo jeans. Last summer I wore my all white JPs everyday that it didn't rain. I think I did this exact get up at least a couple times a week:  And plan on reviving the look, once the Linen Superlights come in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 8:22:32 GMT -6
Gustin has priced their shoes to be the same as competitors who are also striving to crack into the higher end market. This is where it all falls down, a little, though. Gustin has absolutely zero heritage in footwear. Nobody yet knows what the quality of the pieces will truly be like and nobody knows how they might fit/wear etc. As everyone now knows from the photos, their first release of shoes offers virtually nothing at all over established brands. Given all of that, plus the almost Lawless-esque style lead time, the pricing does seem on the higher side - especially as they themselves are the ones who always bang on about how their model allows them to be less expensive. That's true, and it remains to be seen on quality, but we didn't know how they were going to fare on chinos, and the pricing was on the higher side, which received quite a bit of criticism at that time as well, and the production times was 3-4 months, sometimes even longer, but after they started streaming in, they became pretty good sellers. I'm just saying we should just wait until they do come in, before denouncing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 8:22:50 GMT -6
i won't be picking up the g-sneaks. i might have had some passing interest in the tan variant if the price had magically been under $100...but obviously that's not the case. i'm not terribly torn up about it. i don't feel wronged in any way, or surprised, nor do i think g can do no wrong or that they're soulless thieves with no integrity. i'm always amazed (often amused) at how the discussion erupts into hyperbolic derision for each new product they release. fun stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 8:44:10 GMT -6
It seems that the G model only benefits G. Pre sell at full retail, sell the extras at full retail from the stock store. Without a noticeable difference in price from other brands why bother? But, I'm a deal seeker and hardly ever pay full price. The only Italian made shoes I have I've gotten from yoox. Most I love others are just okay. "Made in Italy" is not the guarantee of quality that it once was. Wearing Italian sneakers now that I paid 60 bucks for. Same kind of construction as the G's, lesser leather, removable insoles. They're fine, I'll beat then for a couple years. If these appeal the the CP buyers out there cool but they are willing to pay extra for the CP cache.
FWIW, most (not all) leather makes a world tour. Leaving one country as a skin to be processed into leather in another, then sold for manufacturing, then sold to the consumer. Italian leather doesn't mean Italian cows.
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Post by Old26 on Jun 9, 2015 9:00:33 GMT -6
Yes we need premium jeans. The difference here that seems hard to get is huge. 1. A product that you can have a long time and will age beautifully. 2. A product that will not be with you for more then 2 years. 3. Nr2. but very expensive. Whatever the product - wallet, pants, jacket, shoes, belt, watch strap etc, I will always put money into number 1. because I f!@king love the patina. So yes I have some of nr. 2 but they will come and go but most of my nr.1 are still with me and keeps getting better. I would believe sneakers will always fall under 2. simply because of how they are made. So if they also are expensive they fall under number 3. wich is where most of the fashion products will go, and they price/performance(longetivity/well madeness) is way off, but people pay it to be "in". I dont buy clothes to be in. Quality leather sneakers, just like a pair of quality leather dress shoes or boots, will last you years as long as you treat them with the same care and attention you would a pair of dress shoes or boots. If you think a pair of leather sneakers won't last you more than two years, then you're clearly not the demographic that would invest hundreds in leather sneakers. I didn't buy my Allen Edmonds dress shoes or Red Wing/Wolverine boots to last me a few years, but a decade. And I fully intend to care for them so that they do. Same goes for those who purchase higher end sneakers like CPs/Butteros/etc. Good boots of any sort I can spend a reasonable amount to get resoled. Sneakers? Don't think so - not that I know of. But to compare any pair of sneakers to good boots - really good boots is apples and oranges. |
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Post by Old26 on Jun 9, 2015 9:03:29 GMT -6
I haven't gotten the vibe that Gustin is huge with the street wear culture. I basically see jeans/chinos with a button down and sneakers from college kids out at bars for there version of dressed up. Converse all stars are also $45. Levis are also $45. Levi's and Con's have street cred all day long. Can you imagine the street gang wearing all G? The streets of SF are rough man!  |
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Post by Old26 on Jun 9, 2015 9:08:42 GMT -6
For the life of me I'll never understand the point or motivation for putting such a long-lasting, gorgeous material that gets more beautiful with age (Horween Chromexcel) on top of such a junky, non-replaceable sole that is bound to blow out before the leather begins to even show its beauty. It's a shame. Maybe not similarly replaceable, but a really good cobbler could remove that rubber crap, put a hand-stitched welt and leather/vibram/crepe soles easily. Greenwich Vintage Co. could, Brian the Bootmaker could, and The Shoe Surgeon could, just to name a few of the mainstream popular social media guys. This Horween sneaker thing to me is like the real gold Apple Watch vs the aluminum or stainless version. If you wear the horween sneaks enough to get the real character to come through, the soles are trashed. I'm not spending lord knows how much on those shoes, and then money to resole (if possible) them later. I'd drop maybe $125 max on sneakers. That's my limit for running shoes, and I'd not spend more than that for casual sneaks either. It just seems to fly against what G was doing long ago. Honestly, if someone else put those up on MassDrop or the like, I'd have been more intrigued, but coming from G, it just seems snooty. That's my hangup. I was looking at those ~$350 NB for my Dad, but those were a special gift. Just not sure who they're after here sans the G fanboys (of which I used to be one). |
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