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Post by exophobe on Feb 25, 2015 20:18:12 GMT -6
Personally I never even noticed any problems with my shirts. But now that you guys are harping on it, I guess the lines don't always match perfectly where the chest meets the arms but I'm willing to bet most of my other shirts from other companies are the same thing. You guys are nitpicking in my opinion unless its some really crazy mis-match. I don't think anyone would notice this. just gonna throw out there, as I feel I need to with my outburst, that slight misalignments of plackets to body pattern, sleeves not lining up with the chest, perfectly aligned yokes are not my issues with these. It's shirts made on a 10 degree tilt, half inside out, plackets sewn on at a taper compared to the pattern, general craft issues that I'm upset about. Hand-made clothing will have variances since they're made by people and not machines. Gustin will have "more" of these because of their model, I get that, but what they're doing right now is showing that they don't care. They have people all around them (on the now defunct G-Comm, here, StyleForum, reddit, instagram) saying "dude, you really need to deal with this thing, it's getting out of hand", and they don't seem to be lifting a finger. This is a business that, unless you're in San Francisco, has it's only presence on the Internet. When you have negative commentary everywhere you exist, that's going to happen, but after a while it generates a pattern, and even though you'll have one guy harp on one issue for five days, it doesn't come back up again until someone else has the same issue. I love these jeans, I've had (largely) good experiences with the shirts, but it upsets me to see a company I like continually tarnish their name, and refuse to take control of it. I can't wait for all the jeans I have on order, I really hope the monster twill comes out because I don't want to have to send it back, but if it's had a stroke, it's going to be upsetting, and I'm not going to wear it around just because I like the fabric. I don't want to pay $100 for a shirt that looks like I made it in my dark closet on my spare time. I'm also not going to stake my brand -- especially if it happens to share my name -- on shoddy construction and not start taking a look at the things before I ship them out. I think there maybe is a little dramatization going on with the shirt criticism, however there are enough examples -- with real pictures -- out there that I would think Gustin would have taken notice. Instead they're creating the impression they've gone ostrich on their customers. The customer service is great, however something like "half of my shirt was sewn inside out" shouldn't be something that customer service needs to deal with, beyond proactively sending the dreaded "your shirt didn't pass QC, I've refunded you in store credit and added $10 for your trouble, please let me know if you would prefer a full refund instead." |
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Post by delayne on Feb 26, 2015 12:45:59 GMT -6
Oh the irony of reading this thread as I get a return confirmation email from Gustin letting me know the received my shirt I returned to them because of misalignment. A shame because the Rustic Multi Twill is a pretty fabric. Looked great with dark jeans probably just like the description but just like the slub patterned shirt from the earlier post the sleeves were not even close to symmetrical. When I emailed Gustin to request the return I made sure to mention this. Wasn't rude about it, but expressed my frustration that they are expecting us to spend money sight unseen and then deliver something that obviously wasn't qc'ed prior to leaving. The response? "Sorry, send it back and I will issue store credit" which is even more of a kicker. How about acknowledge my complaint, lie and say you will look into it or forward it to your boss? Unfortunately I am done with patterned shirts from Gustin. It's not worth a $76+ risk.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 26, 2015 13:04:56 GMT -6
That slub plaid looked cool. Hopefully they restock on heavy chambray. I have a feeling the lawless fit isn't going to work for me.
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Post by stinky on Feb 26, 2015 13:17:21 GMT -6
I've made the executive decision that I am not going to buy patterned shirts over the webz from these smaller, boutique folks.
I'm a bit AR/OCD, so it's just not worth the frustration.
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Post by nater on Feb 26, 2015 17:23:40 GMT -6
Here's a pic of my #89 Oak Fuchsia Plaid shirt. It seems pretty well aligned to me.  |
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Post by jamesr on Feb 26, 2015 17:48:03 GMT -6
nater, not sure if you're being serious... hope I'm not the guy that gets you thinking about that placket every time you take the shirt off the hanger.
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Post by Whiskey Mercenary on Feb 26, 2015 17:54:24 GMT -6
nater, not sure if you're being serious... hope I'm not the guy that gets you thinking about that placket every time you take the shirt off the hanger. I wasn't going to say it... That placket is way off. I'm not usually too picky, but that would make me crazy |
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2015 17:59:47 GMT -6
Placket's similar to my one patterned G shirt. The yoke looks a little sloppy too. But the sleeves are almost equal and the collar looks better than most of what G turns out. For a G Shirt, it's a winner. For a "$150+ Shirt", it's still miles away.
I've been comparing some of my US made shirts, Hamilton, F&T, TS and one Brooks Brothers that is actually US made and price and alignment do not appear to be a linear relationship. But G is still crazy.
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Post by ickes on Feb 26, 2015 18:05:25 GMT -6
nater I think it looks fine, seriously. I think this thread is driving me crazier than any crooked plackets 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:12:23 GMT -6
Here's a pic of my #89 Oak Fuchsia Plaid shirt. It seems pretty well aligned to me. I am definitely not going to buy it if I see this shirt on the shelf. However, for all the G shirts that I have seen on the web, this is a better example. I would not feel bad on wearing it. Btw, it maybe the lighting but the colors don't look exactly like the patch on the G's site. |
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Post by nater on Feb 26, 2015 18:16:38 GMT -6
Ok, I'm sorry but you guys are being waaaaaay too picky. In some of the earlier examples on this thread I can understand the complaints but this is just plain nutso.
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Post by jamesr on Feb 26, 2015 18:55:49 GMT -6
Really guys? Look at the thick brown line at the top button and follow it down to the bottom button. That is horrible.
I enjoy the inconsistencies that can be found in handmade goods - things that indicate that they were made by human hands - but there is absolutely no pride of workmanship from whoever sewed that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 19:01:10 GMT -6
Really guys? Look at the thick brown line at the top button and follow it down to the bottom button. That is horrible. I enjoy the inconsistencies that can be found in handmade goods - things that indicate that they were made by human hands - but there is absolutely no pride of workmanship from whoever sewed that. That was also my observation when I first saw the shirt. Rest of the shirt looks pretty good, but that caught my eye. I'm pretty sure most people won't notice or care to notice something like that, but I think we've already come to the conclusion that we're not most people. |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 26, 2015 19:04:30 GMT -6
Where I have problems with the placket is when it lines up in such a way that doesn't match the size of the pattern, resulting in something that looks like it has souble the same color it should. I wouldn't necessarily take issue with that shirt even though the placket is wavy, since nobody is going to be able to tell if there's a body in it. Examples like the Taylor Stitch, I didn't actually see the problem until I had the thing on, and found the placket made a continuous V shape all down the front of the shirt. If I were wearing it with a tie, it wouldn't have been visible, but I'm not quite comfortable enough in my tie game to roll to work wearing a tie to hide the placket on my gingham shirt.
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2015 19:11:06 GMT -6
The placket issue could be easily fixed by just running the placket at 45° like many cheap, fashion brands do. Gustin needs to stop thinking they're a high quality shirt manufacturer.
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Post by exophobe on Feb 26, 2015 19:14:53 GMT -6
The placket issue could be easily fixed by just running the placket at 45° like many cheap, fashion brands do. Gustin needs to stop thinking they're a high quality shirt manufacturer. even at a 45 degree angle, you still have to sew it on straight, or fold it over straight, or whatever the failure is here. I wonder if there are any Japanese manufacturers making clothes out of these fabrics, or if Old26 is right, and they're just using table-cloth fabric. |
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2015 19:18:01 GMT -6
Okay, how about the ugliest placket possible, a French placket? I can't imagine they could find a way to eff that up. The fewer cuts, seams and chances to poorly wield a sewing machine, the better.
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Post by Mattbert on Feb 26, 2015 19:34:08 GMT -6
I'm with the nit-pickers. nater's shirt is nowhere near the most egregious example of Gustin's sew shop butchery, but that placket would drive me bonkers. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 26, 2015 19:59:52 GMT -6
Here is the placket on a 320 dollar Iron Heart shirt sitting in my closet right now and guess what? Its not straight; imgur.com/a/eeTcbI think its gettin nit picky in here |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:02:55 GMT -6
Here is the placket on a 320 dollar Iron Heart shirt sitting in my closet right now and guess what? Its not straight; imgur.com/a/eeTcbI think its gettin nit picky in here Nice stealth brag there, MattIckes  That shirt is gorgeous.. |
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2015 20:08:34 GMT -6
Here is the placket on a 320 dollar Iron Heart shirt sitting in my closet right now and guess what? Its not straight; imgur.com/a/eeTcbI think its gettin nit picky in here A thick material gets a little leeway. I'm actually more lenient to horizontal issues than vertical, weaving issues like Nater's (and my G oxford). Oh, and nice shirt. |
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Post by bozer on Feb 26, 2015 20:24:23 GMT -6
This is like when I go to the AVS forum to find out what's the best settings for my new TV. 3 hours later and I come away thinking my TV is a piece of shit due to all the comments.
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2015 20:27:44 GMT -6
This is like when I go to the AVS forum to find out what's the best settings for my new TV. 3 hours later and I come away thinking my TV is a piece of shit due to all the comments. If yor TV came from a company that claims it was really worth 2-3x its price and it took three plus months to get it, then yes, this is EXACTLY like that. |
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Post by stinky on Feb 26, 2015 20:36:45 GMT -6
Here's a pic of my #89 Oak Fuchsia Plaid shirt. It seems pretty well aligned to me. Anyone who thinks this is acceptable doesn't deserve nice clothes. Box them up and send them to me. I will distribute the articles that don't fit to deserving homes. |
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Post by stinky on Feb 26, 2015 20:43:34 GMT -6
Here is the placket on a 320 dollar Iron Heart shirt sitting in my closet right now and guess what? Its not straight; imgur.com/a/eeTcbI think its gettin nit picky in here This actually isn't bad, but using a flaw to prove that a flaw is okay is a bit like saying 2+2=5 because 3+3=7 . I don't think it's fair to say people are being nitpicky . . . not straight is not straight. |
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That shirt is gorgeous..