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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 21:15:24 GMT -6
I almost bought a 1988 GTI when I was 17 but it was a rot box. Ended up buying a mitsubishi Gst and never looked back. After a ton of mitsubishi's I ended up going V8 american. I wonder how life would be different with a VW. That said I've never liked "VW kids" I used to have VW Corrado G60 and I still miss that little car. Some cheap Nuspeed mods (chip and pulley kit) and I was out running many more powerful cars. My college room-mate had a 1992 Eclipse GSX and it was totally awesome. It was my first taste of turbo car with AWD and it was so much fun. Good old days and life was so much happier without needing much... |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 29, 2015 21:29:00 GMT -6
Lots of fun cars over the years. Here's a list in chronological order!
1998 Ford Escort
1997 Eclipse GST spyder
1993 Mazda MX-6
1988 Honda CRX SI
1990 Honda civic SI
1991 Eagle Talon TSi
1995 GMC 2500
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
1990 Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 turbo swap
1997 Jeep Cherokee
2003 mitsubishi Evolution 8
1992 Mazda Miata
1993 eagle talon tsi *
1996 Ford F250
2002 Camaro SS
2004 Cadilac escalade
2008 Cadilac STS*
2002 Corvette Z06*
1995 Jeep Wrangler*
* Currently still have
Never have I ever had a car payment in my life.
Looking to sell the talon well part it out and get something like a 1st gen Camaro or sell everything and get a 2010-2012 GTR.
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 29, 2015 21:42:45 GMT -6
I intended to wait on the R, but the slow rollout and DSG only is trying my patience. A GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD would probably suffice, plus I can get it with the plaid seats, unlike the R. I desperately, desperately want a GTD. |
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Post by usctroll on Jan 29, 2015 21:55:18 GMT -6
Lots of fun cars over the years. Here's a list in chronological order! 1998 Ford Escort 1997 Eclipse GST spyder 1993 Mazda MX-6 1988 Honda CRX SI 1990 Honda civic SI 1991 Eagle Talon TSi 1995 GMC 2500 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 1990 Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 turbo swap 1997 Jeep Cherokee 2003 mitsubishi Evolution 8 1992 Mazda Miata 1993 eagle talon tsi * 1996 Ford F250 2002 Camaro SS 2004 Cadilac escalade 2008 Cadilac STS* 2002 Corvette Z06* 1995 Jeep Wrangler* * Currently still have Never have I ever had a car payment in my life. Looking to sell the talon well part it out and get something like a 1st gen Camaro or sell everything and get a 2010-2012 GTR. Ha! I've also had a '97 Cherokee (2 door, 4.0, 4x4) and a powerstoke '96 f250 crew cab short bed. Both great vehicles that I drove for years and sold at a profit. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 22:05:56 GMT -6
I intended to wait on the R, but the slow rollout and DSG only is trying my patience. A GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD would probably suffice, plus I can get it with the plaid seats, unlike the R. I love Volkswagens, however the R seems like a hard ticket to justify with the Subaru STi coming in around the same price. Fit and finish aside (VW most definitely wins), I'd be curious to hear thoughts comparing the two. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 29, 2015 22:36:24 GMT -6
I intended to wait on the R, but the slow rollout and DSG only is trying my patience. A GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD would probably suffice, plus I can get it with the plaid seats, unlike the R. I love Volkswagens, however the R seems like a hard ticket to justify with the Subaru STi coming in around the same price. Fit and finish aside (VW most definitely wins), I'd be curious to hear thoughts comparing the two. The STi isn't a hatch; it has that godawful huge honking wing nonsense blighting its rear end instead. By contrast, the R looks like a car a grown-up would drive. It's not apples to oranges, but...you know. Maybe more like lemons to limes. In my mind, the proper competitor for the STi is the Audi S3, at least here in the States where the 5-door version of the S3 does not exist. Similarly, I think the competitors for the R are the Focus ST (and surely the RS when it appears) and, somewhat weirdly, the R's own baby brother GTI. Is the R better than the GTI and the Focus ST? I'm sure it is. Is it $10,000-15,000 better? Hmmm... |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 23:06:04 GMT -6
I love Volkswagens, however the R seems like a hard ticket to justify with the Subaru STi coming in around the same price. Fit and finish aside (VW most definitely wins), I'd be curious to hear thoughts comparing the two. The STi isn't a hatch; it has that godawful huge honking wing nonsense blighting its rear end instead. By contrast, the R looks like a car a grown-up would drive. It's not apples to oranges, but...you know. Maybe more like lemons to limes. In my mind, the proper competitor for the STi is the Audi S3, at least here in the States where the 5-door version of the S3 does not exist. Similarly, I think the competitors for the R are the Focus ST (and surely the RS when it appears) and, somewhat weirdly, the R's own baby brother GTI. Is the R better than the GTI and the Focus ST? I'm sure it is. Is it $10,000-15,000 better? Hmmm... I keep forgetting that the five door has dropped out of the WRX/STI lineup (which I am bummed about -- even though it was new for the STI last body-style). I'm also weighting the AWD heavier than you seem to be here, but hey, I'm also challenging the MT 2015 car of the year. If you could get an AWD GTI at the price-point of a mid-to-upper WRX, I don't think there'd be a competition here, except that Americans seem to hate hatches. All that said, all options available, I'd go Golf R over an STI, but when you start to hit 3 series money the options get interesting, especially with Korea learning how to make a car and America remembering. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 23:10:57 GMT -6
and speaking of.. is anyone else annoyed that the Germans have decided that everything numbered in a series needed to be changed? Were people confused at having both a 2-door and a 4-door 3 series? and if you're going to separate the two, isn't it less confusing to make the 4 series the 4 door option? Would that then force them to make the 3 series a hatch back, and add three doors to the 7 series? No wonder they had to leave the 1 series in Europe.  |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 30, 2015 8:18:40 GMT -6
Lots of fun cars over the years. Here's a list in chronological order! 1998 Ford Escort 1997 Eclipse GST spyder 1993 Mazda MX-6 1988 Honda CRX SI 1990 Honda civic SI 1991 Eagle Talon TSi 1995 GMC 2500 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 1990 Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 turbo swap 1997 Jeep Cherokee 2003 mitsubishi Evolution 8 1992 Mazda Miata 1993 eagle talon tsi * 1996 Ford F250 2002 Camaro SS 2004 Cadilac escalade 2008 Cadilac STS* 2002 Corvette Z06* 1995 Jeep Wrangler* * Currently still have Never have I ever had a car payment in my life. Looking to sell the talon well part it out and get something like a 1st gen Camaro or sell everything and get a 2010-2012 GTR. Ha! I've also had a '97 Cherokee (2 door, 4.0, 4x4) and a powerstoke '96 f250 crew cab short bed. Both great vehicles that I drove for years and sold at a profit. The F250 I changed to a 1ton suspension. So it was basically a 350. 216k on it still ran great. Sold it for what I paid to some loser that I'll probably end up arresting at some point. The Cherokee 4.0 motor is awesome. Mine had death wobble and the steering box went leaking all over. Bought for $900 didn't put a dime into it over the course of 16 months sold it as junk for $500. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 30, 2015 9:59:06 GMT -6
I intended to wait on the R, but the slow rollout and DSG only is trying my patience. A GTI with the Performance Pack and LSD would probably suffice, plus I can get it with the plaid seats, unlike the R. I love Volkswagens, however the R seems like a hard ticket to justify with the Subaru STi coming in around the same price. Fit and finish aside (VW most definitely wins), I'd be curious to hear thoughts comparing the two. Ah, the Rex. I've driven a lot of them. I borrowed a friend's for a few weeks many years ago and called him a few hours after filling it up and realizing it was almost empty again to see if 7 mpg was normal. Ha, my right foot and turbos hate gasoline. It's a beautifully engineered car but built like a Costco reject. The paint is like Wite-Out with some food color in it. The carpets feel like cardboard with some foamy hair loss spray on them. The plastic all feels like it was recovered from 1970's Volvo 240's stored at the Palm Desert Hilton. The suspension feels like it's not. The brakes squeal and grind (and even overheat on the track). But it's sort of the opposite of the VW, bulletproof, reasonably cheap to maintain and they hold their value great. The R is something I could live with daily and doesn't make my eyes bleed. It likely will cost more to maintain, understeer a little more and they look a little bland. But it's 200-300 pounds lighter than the STI, has real paint, technology (once they add the 8" screen next year), and the fact that it's a hatch just makes it work better for me. If I were planning to track either a lot, the STi would win out. The adjustable awd, fewer nannies and developmental age of that engine are all pluses. The R's Haldex isn't nearly as track friendly and we're still not 100% about the t/c being fully defeatable on the Mk7. Of course if I wanted a track car in this price range, the Mustang GT would be a no brainer. For a little more scrilla, the upcoming M2 would probably make even more sense. But neither of those offer the daily driver practicality of the R. As stated, picking the R over a GTI is a little hard to justify. I prefer cloth and no sunroof, so the base GTI with the lighting package and Performance Package (10 extra hp and a mechanical LSD) is $7-8k less than an R and about 200 pounds lighter too. The R uses Haldex, which is mostly fwd until slip is detected, and gets the open diff of the non PP GTI up front. So I'd likely stick to the base car, which leaves more money for a proper track/weekend car. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 30, 2015 10:05:01 GMT -6
For the record, I haven't driven the new WRX/STI, which I hear is a big improvement over the last one and more like the original. The steering is supposed to be outstanding, better than the BRZ.
I nearly bought a BRZ before the little man announced his arrival. They're great little cars, even with the bad paint and terrible interior. It's not like BMW builds fantastic interiors either. I've had a few Audii and while the interiors look great material quality is actually not that impressive.
In summary, I don't know what I want. My Mazda3 works well enough that I haven't prioritized replacing it too highly. Yet.
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Post by Whiskey Mercenary on Jan 30, 2015 10:15:04 GMT -6
I love Volkswagens, however the R seems like a hard ticket to justify with the Subaru STi coming in around the same price. Fit and finish aside (VW most definitely wins), I'd be curious to hear thoughts comparing the two. As stated, picking the R over a GTI is a little hard to justify. I prefer cloth and no sunroof, so the base GTI with the lighting package and Performance Package (10 extra hp and a mechanical LSD) is $7-8k less than an R and about 200 pounds lighter too. The R uses Haldex, which is mostly fwd until slip is detected, and gets the open diff of the non PP GTI up front. So I'd likely stick to the base car, which leaves more money for a proper track/weekend car. I picked up the GTI S with lighting package (no PP, didn't want to order and wait). I wanted the plaid and no sunroof just like you. The differential in the PP is supposed to be insanely good, but I would really take advantage of it ~1 a year. Better brakes and more power are always a bonus, but upgraded pads and a tune are better value than $1900 for the Performance Pack. I would have really considered it if they had left the pricing at $1500, but that extra bump pushed it out of reach for me. The standard car is so good anyway I can't imagine I would ever justify the additional cost to myself. I haven't missed the AWD yet. My previous two cars had it (Subaru Legacy, 3000GT VR-4). This little VW has been rock solid in the weather we have had so far and the grip even with all-season tires is pretty good. |
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Post by bentin on Jan 30, 2015 10:22:29 GMT -6
Thanks for that feedback. I justify the PP price due to the LSD. But to be honest, the fwd cars I've driven with mechanical LSD's feel no less awkward than those without. I've devated doing just like you, an S with Lighting and no PP. Even more left over for a fun car.
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Post by Whiskey Mercenary on Jan 30, 2015 10:27:23 GMT -6
Oh definitely, I think all around the PP is a steal. More power, a trick diff and bigger brakes. I just wouldn't ever use these upgrades enough to justify the price. I'm probably in the minority there, I know lots of people jumped on it because it was (and is) a pretty good deal. The diff is the main attraction, and unfortunately it's the part of that package I would least benefit from.
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Post by bentin on Jan 30, 2015 10:34:31 GMT -6
I'd love it if it were on the other end. I hated our one wheel drive 135i. Why BMW has left LSD's off of cars is beyond me.
I'd likely chip the GTI anyway so the small PP power bump is meaningless. I really wish the U.S. cars had MPI like the ROW cars, direct injection only just stinks, but since Toyota/Subie seems to have screwed it up on the BRZ, I guess I'll wait for folks to really get it right.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 30, 2015 16:41:49 GMT -6
I picked up the GTI S with lighting package (no PP, didn't want to order and wait). I wanted the plaid and no sunroof just like you. The differential in the PP is supposed to be insanely good, but I would really take advantage of it ~1 a year. Better brakes and more power are always a bonus, but upgraded pads and a tune are better value than $1900 for the Performance Pack. I would have really considered it if they had left the pricing at $1500, but that extra bump pushed it out of reach for me. The standard car is so good anyway I can't imagine I would ever justify the additional cost to myself. I haven't missed the AWD yet. My previous two cars had it (Subaru Legacy, 3000GT VR-4). This little VW has been rock solid in the weather we have had so far and the grip even with all-season tires is pretty good. I'll start with saying that I'm totally jealous, so congratulations on the GTI. I "came up" in an 85 VW Golf (I think it was made by the guys behind the Panzer tank), and VW has pretty much had that chassis dialed in since the original GTI, in my opinion -- which makes the thing great in the snow, even on all-seasons without the AWD. Subaru has gotten me addicted to the AWD, so it's always in my mind when I see that the GTI costs the same as a WRX. There really is no comparison on the interior, however, even though Subaru has made great leaps in the last handful of years (my 2008 Impreza doesn't even compare to the finish on a 2014). |
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Post by Whiskey Mercenary on Jan 31, 2015 10:37:13 GMT -6
Yeah, fit and finish wise Subaru has some ground to cover. I will say, my 2012 Legacy was pretty well done, but my wife's 2012 forester isn't on the same level. It's not embarrassing, but there is lots of hard plastic and faux metal painted trim. It's a fantastic car, I love the forester but it's utilitarian and rough n' tumble rather than sophisticated.
AWD is awesome, our Subarus never disappointed but the Legacy was too much of a wallowing barge. The fun factor just wasn't there. I wish the GTI had AWD as an option instead of making it R exclusive but I'll take lighter weight and a capable chassis as a compromise. Either way, I adore the car. Just waiting for the break in period to be over so I can open her up. 400 miles to go!
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Post by exophobe on Feb 3, 2015 22:05:20 GMT -6
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Post by bentin on Feb 3, 2015 22:34:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the actual Ford link, I hadn't seen that yet. Just when I thought I had it figured out. If this comes in around 3,200#, I may have to get one. Annoyed that we won't get that color. Likely that the U.S. won't get the Recaros shown either since they don't have integrated airbags. |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 4, 2015 9:25:46 GMT -6
If I hadn't driven lesser models a few times, I'd LOL! at that. But honestly, I want to go test drive one when they're on the lot. That blue looks nice too - and blues are hard to do right. |
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Post by bentin on Feb 4, 2015 9:45:44 GMT -6
If I hadn't driven lesser models a few times, I'd LOL! at that. But honestly, I want to go test drive one when they're on the lot. That blue looks nice too - and blues are hard to do right. You can't have that blue. Jerks. It was the color they used on the new GT. It looks great, but again, you can't have it. I did find a thread on VW Vortex funny when someone said they would never drive a Ford it was pointed out that the Focus RS is made in Germany while the GTI is hecho en Mexico. |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 4, 2015 9:53:48 GMT -6
If I hadn't driven lesser models a few times, I'd LOL! at that. But honestly, I want to go test drive one when they're on the lot. That blue looks nice too - and blues are hard to do right. You can't have that blue. Jerks. It was the color they used on the new GT. It looks great, but again, you can't have it. I did find a thread on VW Vortex funny when someone said they would never drive a Ford it was pointed out that the Focus RS is made in Germany while the GTI is hecho en Mexico. Blue doesn't match the house. Wife rule. |
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Post by bentin on Feb 4, 2015 11:10:25 GMT -6
Funny, the wife's car is blue, so I'm apparently not allowed to get a blue car without getting her something in a different color. I was surprised to discover this rule.
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Post by exophobe on Feb 4, 2015 15:00:28 GMT -6
If I hadn't driven lesser models a few times, I'd LOL! at that. But honestly, I want to go test drive one when they're on the lot. That blue looks nice too - and blues are hard to do right. You can't have that blue. Jerks. It was the color they used on the new GT. It looks great, but again, you can't have it. I did find a thread on VW Vortex funny when someone said they would never drive a Ford it was pointed out that the Focus RS is made in Germany while the GTI is hecho en Mexico. VW moved GTI production back to Germany with the mark v or vi, unless they moved it back in the last couple years. Regardless, the RS has always been a Europe thing, anyway, so I'm glad we're finally getting one stateside. As far as I'm concerned, that's subaru world rally blue, though.  |
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Post by bentin on Feb 4, 2015 15:09:36 GMT -6
Yeah, the Mk7 is back to Mexico (which isn't a bad thing, Mecican made VW's have scored better customer satisfaction ratings than German made ones for years). US cars also lose the dual mode injection and have standard Direct Injection only. Also lose the LED tails and get a different e-brake lever and bigger cup holders.
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