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Post by mountainman3520 on Oct 6, 2015 15:56:32 GMT -6
Dang. Tonight is the first time I happened upon any info about Lawless Denim for a long time, maybe over a year. I forgot all about this company. I wrote a detailed analysis of the fraud I suspected was going on and advised members to place no further orders until there was a clear sign that the company was an honest business that would survive to deliver the orders.
My posts were censored and deleted by a moderator, at which point I immediately deleted my account from this forum in outrage. I hate forum censorship. If somebody is using foul language, threatening members, etc then that's an extreme case and sometimes deletions are appropriate. But a member writing an opinion about a non-performing vendor, clearly described as opinion? No way.
Anyhow, now that everything in my censored posts has come true exactly as predicted I feel sufficiently vindicated to recreate an account and try this forum again.
Sorry some of you lost money and had your trust violated.
At one point I counted up my Gustin orders and realized that I was dangerously risking my money on faith that a small start-up company wouldn't vaporize. Fortunately they seem to be doing well and everything is being delivered, approximately according to schedule.
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Post by jkass on Oct 6, 2015 15:57:43 GMT -6
Isn't Maple Denim still in business? Seems to be from their website. I would venture to guess that they'd be interested in knowing that Freeriders Clothing is trying to capitalize on their name. Maybe worth sharing over.
Would it be possible that they are aligned with Freeriders? Perhaps using the same Kevlar denim offering as LD/Freeriders? Their US number is in Encinitas, CA (north of San Diego).
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Post by Winterland on Oct 6, 2015 16:08:09 GMT -6
Dang. Tonight is the first time I happened upon any info about Lawless Denim for a long time, maybe over a year. I forgot all about this company. I wrote a detailed analysis of the fraud I suspected was going on and advised members to place no further orders until there was a clear sign that the company was an honest business that would survive to deliver the orders. My posts were censored and deleted by a moderator, at which point I immediately deleted my account from this forum in outrage. I hate forum censorship. If somebody is using foul language, threatening members, etc then that's an extreme case and sometimes deletions are appropriate. But a member writing an opinion about a non-performing vendor, clearly described as opinion? No way. Anyhow, now that everything in my censored posts has come true exactly as predicted I feel sufficiently vindicated to recreate an account and try this forum again. Sorry some of you lost money and had your trust violated. At one point I counted up my Gustin orders and realized that I was dangerously risking my money on faith that a small start-up company wouldn't vaporize. Fortunately they seem to be doing well and everything is being delivered, approximately according to schedule. Welcome back mountainman3520 I moved this to a more appropriate Lawless thread. It was messing with the mojo of my fixed shirt thread thread.  We will not worry about past. Many of us have learned from this adventure. New start ups will be fully interrogated from now on. Anyone know how to waterboard? Kidding! Hope you enjoy the forum. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 6, 2015 16:15:28 GMT -6
Isn't Maple Denim still in business? Seems to be from their website. I would venture to guess that they'd be interested in knowing that Freeriders Clothing is trying to capitalize on their name. Maybe worth sharing over. Would it be possible that they are aligned with Freeriders? Perhaps using the same Kevlar denim offering as LD/Freeriders? Their US number is in Encinitas, CA (north of San Diego). Their last Kickstarter update indicates that they stopped filling orders and liquidated. Their offering is Kevlar lined denim, where free riders is working with a partner to weave Kevlar/cotton blend denim. |
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Post by jkass on Oct 6, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -6
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Post by hgs on Oct 6, 2015 16:21:48 GMT -6
So they are basically now playing the angle of being the "hero" by honoring those failed Kickstarters at Maple? How about starting a little closer to home with those other failed companies like Lawless and LD&Co.  It's a typo. Instead of BOGO, it's really bogn. Buy one, get neither. BOGUS |
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Post by mountainman3520 on Oct 6, 2015 16:24:44 GMT -6
Dang. Tonight is the first time I happened upon any info about Lawless Denim for a long time, maybe over a year. I forgot all about this company. I wrote a detailed analysis of the fraud I suspected was going on and advised members to place no further orders until there was a clear sign that the company was an honest business that would survive to deliver the orders. My posts were censored and deleted by a moderator, at which point I immediately deleted my account from this forum in outrage. I hate forum censorship. If somebody is using foul language, threatening members, etc then that's an extreme case and sometimes deletions are appropriate. But a member writing an opinion about a non-performing vendor, clearly described as opinion? No way. Anyhow, now that everything in my censored posts has come true exactly as predicted I feel sufficiently vindicated to recreate an account and try this forum again. Sorry some of you lost money and had your trust violated. At one point I counted up my Gustin orders and realized that I was dangerously risking my money on faith that a small start-up company wouldn't vaporize. Fortunately they seem to be doing well and everything is being delivered, approximately according to schedule. Welcome back mountainman3520 I moved this to a more appropriate Lawless thread. It was messing with the mojo of my fixed shirt thread thread. We will not worry about past. Many of us have learned from this adventure. New start ups will be fully interrogated from now on. Anyone know how to waterboard? Kidding! Hope you enjoy the forum. Thanks Winterland. I have already prepared my garage waterboarding station for the next one!  |
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Post by tarzan on Oct 6, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -6
It's a typo. Instead of BOGO, it's really bogn. Buy one, get neither. BOGUS BOG0 notice the last character is a number? |
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Post by variable on Oct 6, 2015 18:34:38 GMT -6
It's a typo. Instead of BOGO, it's really bogn. Buy one, get neither. Buy One Now Expect Diddly  |
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Post by devastitis on Oct 6, 2015 18:35:51 GMT -6
good day to you sir! I said good day! |
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Post by 98superglide on Oct 6, 2015 18:50:07 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Maple are no more. The owner posted on reddit and somewhere else that they folded. They had a lot people waiting for gear too. The difference is this guy was quite proactive about getting in touch with people, was honest and upfront about everything. |
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Post by jkass on Oct 6, 2015 18:58:28 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Maple are no more. The owner posted on reddit and somewhere else that they folded. They had a lot people waiting for gear too. The difference is this guy was quite proactive about getting in touch with people, was honest and upfront about everything. Interesting. That's definitely confusing to consumers, especially since their site appears to be fully functional. Ironic - a folded company has a fully functional website (that someone is paying for) and Lawless existed for however long without paying to keep their website functional. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Oct 6, 2015 19:29:43 GMT -6
Next up Warhorsedenim!  BTW Somebody should do a screen shot while it's still showing freeriders/Warhorsedenim in search engines. Done. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 6, 2015 19:44:35 GMT -6
This was so obvious. That ego gets you again
Captain obvious doesn't understand people know
A cat meows
A dog barks
my wife complains
and a denim brand from Phoenix will sell kevlar woven jeans for the cafe racer loving community of the United States of the world.
Customers may get fooled if you sell something without bikes or kevlar involved or you leave some of the cliche things you think people want to hear out of ur sales campaign
I forgot to say DUHH!!
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Post by chrisdoth on Oct 7, 2015 8:21:32 GMT -6
So now FREERIDERSCO.COM is gone but www.freeridersclothingco.com/ is up. Must admit I don't understand the constant changing of domains, I mean I could see why the Lawless rebranding toward the end to try to distance themselves from all the unfulfilled orders and poor reviews online but to keep changing a domain when you are launching a site, and to do it so often you can't even keep up with updating the links on your own social media sites... |
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2015 8:45:27 GMT -6
So now FREERIDERSCO.COM is gone but www.freeridersclothingco.com/ is up. Must admit I don't understand the constant changing of domains, I mean I could see why the Lawless rebranding toward the end to try to distance themselves from all the unfulfilled orders and poor reviews online but to keep changing a domain when you are launching a site, and to do it so often you can't even keep up with updating the links on your own social media sites... That new website has been up for a week or so, they just failed to update all the relevant places (like Kickstarter, social media, etc.). It's another staple of the RA business strategy: don't pay for domain hosting when you can simply change websites! I think RA has a career in teaching. Think about how effective he could be if he simply shared his business philosophies with young entrepreneurs? They'd know exactly what not to do, and have proven case examples to work from. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 7, 2015 12:38:24 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 14:24:35 GMT -6
Anyone else notice that www.freeridersclothingco.com/ now simply links to the Kickstarter (that does not seem to be doing well) rather than to all of the products? Guess this too is failing for Roman |
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2015 14:55:20 GMT -6
They've acquired 1 backer in the past 3 days. Sadly, Kickstarter isn't going to let them pull a Gustin and stretch out the deadline.
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2015 14:56:54 GMT -6
Friday, November 20, 2015 is the Kickstarter deadline.
Just in time for a 50% off sale.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 7, 2015 15:21:43 GMT -6
Anyone else notice that www.freeridersclothingco.com/ now simply links to the Kickstarter (that does not seem to be doing well) rather than to all of the products? Guess this too is failing for Roman Yeah, I figured I'd stop with the play by play, but I check the Kickstarter every day in hopes that they won't make big progress towards the goal and maybe the madness will stop. I figure that they realized they were hamstringing the Kickstarter by offering different product on the site. Unfortunately they don't seem to be violating any Kickstarter terms of service. I hate to have bad will towards things, but I'd really like the madness to stop. |
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Post by unnamed on Oct 7, 2015 20:06:34 GMT -6
^ Actually, Kickstater has GMOs as a thing that cannot be offered as a reward. If the cotton isn't heirloom, super high-end, or long fiber than chances are it's genetically modified which means it's either modified to become a living pesticide (BT) or is modified to be sprayed with roundup, Dioxin, etc... BTW; BT toxin expression and herbicide resistance are the only two current marketed GM traits in cotton products sold in the US...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 10:23:26 GMT -6
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2015 10:33:00 GMT -6
Wow. Never a dull moment. I did see that Kickstarter removed Dan's (Feltraiger) comment. It really sets a bad precedent on Kickstarter, enabling the chaos and not giving other legit denim start-ups a bad first take.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 9, 2015 10:59:59 GMT -6
Wow. Never a dull moment. I did see that Kickstarter removed Dan's (Feltraiger) comment. It really sets a bad precedent on Kickstarter, enabling the chaos and not giving other legit denim start-ups a bad first take. I think Dan may have removed the kickstarter comment, since it was removed about the time the story disappeared around these parts. Just know that there are no copyright laws that apply to the garment/fashion industry, so it's more a moral dilemma than a legal one, at least in the way it is traditionally done (though it would seem there is more to the Feltraiger story). Without that ability, Levi's would be able to destroy any company making their traditional five-pocket design, which would be most every brand discussed on this site. Either way, I guess it's good to see, with all that we've managed to dig up around these parts, their bad PR precedes them. |
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