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Post by exophobe on Sept 24, 2015 14:08:12 GMT -6
Just FYI, AZ is a bit of a hot-bed for tech, godaddy is based there, enom, and several other tech companies. Domain registration is rarely done as a local transaction, you go to a website, register a domain, and whatever company that site uses to register the domain is going to be listed as the registrar. This is a good point, although I know some of Romans previous ventures had Scottsdale ties as well (addresses listed for LLC's, etc..). I was able to dig that up a little while back....could mean absolutely nothing who knows. Pff...freaking Scottsdale I tell ya....  for example, though, weargustin.com is also registered through ENOM, and selfedge.com is registered through godaddy, which would tie both to Arizona using that train of thought. Just saying that the domain registrar should not be seen as any evidence whatsoever of ties to Arizona. |
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Post by exophobe on Sept 24, 2015 14:10:53 GMT -6
I am sure there is some association with Lawless Denim/LD&CO/Roman Acevedo failed businessman extraordinaire. Their website looks identical to the last LD&CO website, but maybe it's just some generic template. For what it's worth, the people they follow on instagram include a couple individuals name checked by roman personally in one of his numerous promotional videos. Either way this company looks like a piece of garbage. Welp, see ya later. did you find them on instagram? link? |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2015 14:13:10 GMT -6
Just FYI, AZ is a bit of a hot-bed for tech, godaddy is based there, enom, and several other tech companies. Domain registration is rarely done as a local transaction, you go to a website, register a domain, and whatever company that site uses to register the domain is going to be listed as the registrar. This is a good point, although I know some of Romans previous ventures had Scottsdale ties as well (addresses listed for LLC's, etc..). I was able to dig that up a little while back....could mean absolutely nothing who knows. Pff...freaking Scottsdale I tell ya.... Hey now.  Don't be hating on Scottsdale. It's not all blondes and silicon. We have brunettes too. |
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Post by hgs on Sept 24, 2015 14:13:48 GMT -6
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Post by whiskeyriver on Sept 24, 2015 14:25:28 GMT -6
Seriously. And someone on the Feltraiger IG is saying they suspect Roman is behind Freeriders. And now to make sure this shows up in the ol' Google search: Roman Acevedo Lawless Jeans Lawless Denim & Co LD & CO LD&CO Ld & Co. #ldandco @ldandco #lawlessdenim #lawlessdenimandco @lawlessdenimandco Freeriders Denim Co #freeridersco #wearefreeriders @freeridersco |
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Post by chrisdoth on Sept 24, 2015 14:28:25 GMT -6
Have to agree the use and style of images and 'free' stock photos, the copy and the rest of it do look very similar, and, while I'm not on instagram, even I do recognise a few of the names liking the posts who liked lots of posts from another recent failed denim start up. Hmmm.
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Post by chrisdoth on Sept 24, 2015 14:33:23 GMT -6
I guess the law is maybe different in the US, I know in Europe if you are selling anything online you are legally obliged to have a physical address on your website. I can see no address listed on the freeridersco.com website.
That said, legal or not there is no way I would buy anything from a company who didn't have an address on their website anyway.
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2015 14:37:57 GMT -6
Let's say there is an indirect connection between "freeriders" and LD. Then what? Because there is no direct tie-in, does anyone with outstanding orders think they will be able to get credit/fulfillment/something from the new entity? RA seems to be keeping well away from this, at least in terms of his mug on the pics. Besides, with all of our sleuthing, what if they are wise enough to stalk this thread to stay ahead of us?
I think it's great to alert consumers, but would it make more sense to collectively bring this to the attention of the local media (if proven so) in PHX and LA? Isn't that the logical path of "doing the right thing"?
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Post by exophobe on Sept 24, 2015 14:39:32 GMT -6
All of the evidence of wrong-doing or association is pretty circumstantial, so I don't know that I believe they're related. I think the "proprietary blend" fabric might be the easiest way to track it down, and I almost think that this same fabric blend was to be a mainstay of the last denim brand that had far more circumstantial evidence against them, that they lied to cover up. Since that company is pretty much entirely disappeared it's hard to say if I'm remembering wrong. I am a bit curious where their proprietary cotton/kevlar selvedge denim is being woven, though.
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Post by Winterland on Sept 24, 2015 15:31:36 GMT -6
It wouldn't surprise me if Roman Acevedo crawled out from under his rock and started this thing. A little sluething: Domain Name: FREERIDERSCO.COM Registrar: ENOM, INC. Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48 Whois Server: whois.enom.com Referral URL: www.enom.comenom.com is based out of Scottsdale, AZ apparently. This isn't conclusive evidence and it might only be a coincidence but this reeks of Roman Avocado I would say shoot them an email asking if there's any association. |
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Post by exophobe on Sept 24, 2015 15:36:37 GMT -6
It wouldn't surprise me if Roman Acevedo crawled out from under his rock and started this thing. A little sluething: Domain Name: FREERIDERSCO.COM Registrar: ENOM, INC. Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48 Whois Server: whois.enom.com Referral URL: www.enom.comenom.com is based out of Scottsdale, AZ apparently. This isn't conclusive evidence and it might only be a coincidence but this reeks of Roman Avocado I would say shoot them an email asking if there's any association. They've been asked and answered no on instagram. |
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Post by wdw on Sept 24, 2015 15:37:10 GMT -6
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Post by Winterland on Sept 24, 2015 15:42:50 GMT -6
I did notice this on their Kickstarter comments. Some type of trouble brewing. How do we keep finding drama? Daniel Feldman about 3 hours ago Please do not support this company!!! Their work is the stolen design work of a small American Menswear company called Feltraiger, and I am sure others as well. You can see all the evidence you need at www.instagram.com/dan_feltraiger. My company is my lifeswork and this company as ADMITTED to stealing our design and is continuing to use it anyway. You can see all this documentation on the provided instagram link. You can contact me for any further information at Daniel@feltraiger.com To Kickstarter: I have tried to contact you directly about this issue but have not received a response yet. Hopefully you do not support this type of behavior on your website. Thank you'll |
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Post by gaseousclay on Sept 24, 2015 15:48:34 GMT -6
The person who brought up freeriders sounded like a shill. I made a comment about Roman but then deleted my post. Since I have no proof that he is in fact behind freeriders I figured it was the best thing to do rather than start hurling stones |
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Post by exophobe on Sept 24, 2015 15:51:04 GMT -6
I did notice this on their Kickstarter comments. Some type of trouble brewing. How do we keep finding drama? Daniel Feldman about 3 hours ago Please do not support this company!!! Their work is the stolen design work of a small American Menswear company called Feltraiger, and I am sure others as well. You can see all the evidence you need at www.instagram.com/dan_feltraiger. My company is my lifeswork and this company as ADMITTED to stealing our design and is continuing to use it anyway. You can see all this documentation on the provided instagram link. You can contact me for any further information at Daniel@feltraiger.com To Kickstarter: I have tried to contact you directly about this issue but have not received a response yet. Hopefully you do not support this type of behavior on your website. Thank you'll While I understand the dude is upset, FreeRiders do have a point about the "copying in fashion", something we've documented ad nauseum over in the Gustin threads. Feltraiger has some nice stuff though, and appear to have a sale going, if anyone is looking for stuff to buy. |
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Post by wdw on Sept 24, 2015 15:50:56 GMT -6
They were definitely a shill, with everything coming back their own brand. Can't see them being brave enough to come on here after the last guy got shot down in flames, though.
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Post by Winterland on Sept 24, 2015 16:01:25 GMT -6
I did notice this on their Kickstarter comments. Some type of trouble brewing. How do we keep finding drama? Daniel Feldman about 3 hours ago Please do not support this company!!! Their work is the stolen design work of a small American Menswear company called Feltraiger, and I am sure others as well. You can see all the evidence you need at www.instagram.com/dan_feltraiger. My company is my lifeswork and this company as ADMITTED to stealing our design and is continuing to use it anyway. You can see all this documentation on the provided instagram link. You can contact me for any further information at Daniel@feltraiger.com To Kickstarter: I have tried to contact you directly about this issue but have not received a response yet. Hopefully you do not support this type of behavior on your website. Thank you'll While I understand the dude is upset, FreeRiders do have a point about the "copying in fashion", something we've documented ad nauseum over in the Gustin threads. Feltraiger has some nice stuff though, and appear to have a sale going, if anyone is looking for stuff to buy. Yes I don't know enough about these designs to know if they were directly copied. As mentioned the many of the selvedge jeans/jackets designs etc are borrowed from past designs. Levi's etc. |
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Post by Winterland on Sept 24, 2015 16:02:06 GMT -6
The person who brought up freeriders sounded like a shill. I made a comment about Roman but then deleted my post. Since I have no proof that he is in fact behind freeriders I figured it was the best thing to do rather than start hurling stones Yes you don't want to put up an accurate info until someone knows for sure. |
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Post by oatwilly on Sept 24, 2015 17:51:26 GMT -6
Holy cow! How can it NOT be them?? Has to be their re-branding. The jeans are the same, all the same appointments, site's the same, FB page is the same. And even a blonde chick that won't let us see her face
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 18:10:12 GMT -6
I just checked out their site and other than vague photos of people on motorcycles wearing jeans I don't see a connection. There aren't any shots of the jeans to know if the same details are being used, apparently they have a patent pending for "memory fit", which could maybe be investigated (but why?), and the site isn't riddled with grammatical issues (as already mentioned). I know there is a kevlar connection...but that's pretty thin, more likely someone else trying to cash in on the denim/cafe racer popularity
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Post by DigDug on Sept 24, 2015 20:05:54 GMT -6
From the comments on that campaign: Please do not support this company!!! Their work is the stolen design work of a small American Menswear company called Feltraiger, and I am sure others as well. You can see all the evidence you need at www.instagram.com/dan_feltraiger. My company is my lifeswork and this company as ADMITTED to stealing our design and is continuing to use it anyway. You can see all this documentation on the provided instagram link. You can contact me for any further information at Daniel@feltraiger.com
To Kickstarter: I have tried to contact you directly about this issue but have not received a response yet. Hopefully you do not support this type of behavior on your website.
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Post by DigDug on Sept 24, 2015 20:23:16 GMT -6
I just sent an email through the Feltraiger web site, asking if if there was any connection to Roman or LawLess.
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Post by wanz on Sept 24, 2015 21:21:47 GMT -6
It looks like they use the same Panamanian company as reservoir1885 to hide their registration details. Seems like quite the coincidence. Domain Name: FREERIDERSCO.COM Registry Domain ID: 1961335586_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com Registrar URL: www.enom.comUpdated Date: 2015-09-17T20:11:13.00Z Creation Date: 2015-09-18T03:11:00.00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-09-18T03:11:00.00Z Registrar: ENOM, INC. Registrar IANA ID: 48 Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibitedRegistry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC. Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411 Registrant City: PANAMA Registrant State/Province: PANAMA Registrant Postal Code: 00000 Registrant Country: PA Domain Name: RESERVOIR1885.COM Registry Domain ID: 1944063071_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com Registrar URL: www.enom.comUpdated Date: 2015-07-02T11:31:56.00Z Creation Date: 2015-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar: ENOM, INC. Registrar IANA ID: 48 Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibitedRegistry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC. Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411 Registrant City: PANAMA Registrant State/Province: PANAMA Registrant Postal Code: 00000 Registrant Country: PA |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2015 21:29:06 GMT -6
Where they are succeeding at the moment is hiding the location and ownership of the company. Smart move by whomever is behind the new offering.
I guess if there's one thing we can do, is ignore/avoid the product until we know more about the source and whether or not it is credible. Not that I'm in the market for kevlar denim to rock at my desk.
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Post by DigDug on Sept 24, 2015 21:29:55 GMT -6
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