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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 11:55:38 GMT -6
jvmison, I give you props for coming at least semi clean here. Trouble is you came in here on a lie after lie start. I'm not the moral cops or your mom so whatever, it is what it is. I wouldn't put too much effort into restoring your name here via posting. It flat out will not happen. Roman Acevedo has been threatening former employees via text and other means (I'm sure you're aware of this, EVERYONE here is and so are the cops). You've become associated with all that fake gangster BS. Go make good shit for a year and come back here, you'll find people much more willing to listen and buy from you. You're pissing into a sea of piss trying to fix your name here, at this time, after coming in the way you did. Nobody hates you man, you just aligned with a douchebag and lied about it so your credibility is nil. The thing Roman does not understand is that this forum is made up of very smart people, lawyers, professors, entrepreneurs, programmers, artists, very skilled laborors, rocket scientists etc. Thats how this whole thing, your test site, the name connections, all of it, got layed out in less than 24 hours. Nobody from LD outed this stuff, only confirmed what was found by this forum. Roman Acevedo is delusional thinking he's going to out brain this group. A number of us ride bikes as well and know of him second or third hand through that avenue as well, the motorcycle world is a small place, tough to hide out. My advice to you is cut ties with him or you'll get sucked into a bunch of debt, lies and disgruntled customers. I'm not being a fake computer badass here, I outgrew my fighting days years ago. I'm just a regular dude offering free perspective from one man to another. I'll buy a pair of Kevlar jeans from you in one year if you make it out of this, you have my word on that. Be smart, go build your dream and be straight with people. Come back with a solid record and you're bound to succeed.
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Post by Old26 on Aug 13, 2015 11:56:46 GMT -6
Why is Echo Park getting dissed? Jeez, is nothing safe???!!!
And @stevekas - remarkable post bro. I'd like it 10x if I could!
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Post by exophobe on Aug 13, 2015 12:00:23 GMT -6
This is also the social media strategy of our mutual friend. I think this is for most brands too. I can tell you that I'm not the sort that goes around commenting on instagram (this lawless bullshit is actually the only thing that's made me post negatively and publically about a company), and I think you'd be hard-pressed to indicate that I was any more disrespectful than the initial post I was responding to. If you really did post that and didn't understand what you were implying, I apologize, but your behavior on this forum, and your history in the industry, would seem to betray you the ignorance you'd be claiming in the original post. You've been here for 24 hours and been caught in a lie about most things you've said about your brand, which is seemingly less than a month old. I appreciate that you've tagged the photo and given credit, as there are plenty of designers out there who don't. The market of people that give a shit about selvedge and USA made is relatively small, and in the month you've existed you've managed to piss off a lot of people that like to support the little guy in that exact market. I recognize there's a certain level of "armchair quarterbackery" that's occurring here, and don't expect you to take all the advice on the Internet, but the only reason you're being disrespected here is that you've come in and been disrespectful by attempting to deceive random internet people on a forum. This is the first exposure your brand has had, and it's surprisingly negative to a point where naivete doesn't even encompass it. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!
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Post by exophobe on Aug 13, 2015 12:07:39 GMT -6
I may have said bad things about Self Edge and IHUK on this forum before, so I guess I have said negative things about a couple other companies. But they know it's just that I'm jealous I can't afford their markup, right?  |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 13, 2015 12:18:31 GMT -6
There is a reason why brands like IH charge $400 a jean. Its because they have genuine people working for them. It cost more money to be legit than it does to be a shady brand.
I feel like denim has been tainted for me. Its no better than when i worked for Hugo Boss and was surrounded by fashion snobs. Taking denim and turning it into a scam is what John Gotti would have done. We dont need any of those
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:19:27 GMT -6
<snip> Roman Acevedo has been threatening former employees via text and other means <snip> what?!? that's not very zen. he should focus on his Pranayama and compose himself with a nice Savasana pose. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 13, 2015 12:56:15 GMT -6
Call me a fool, but I actually feel sorry for jvmison Jamison Aweau. He looks like he had a cool thing going with Whiskey Grade and has made some good contacts in this industry/community, but he seems to have bought into the lies of Roman Acevedo and the Lawless Denim crew who have duped him and fed him full of lies as they did with Dirty_Denim. EDIT: Aw, who am I kidding, he lied to me directly. Ne'ermind! |
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Post by davelewis on Aug 13, 2015 13:04:34 GMT -6
Anyone who is trying to start a business has to do their due diligence, which would include the people you associate with. I suppose he could chalk it up to lesson learned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -6
I was willing to give him some slack but there was no reason to deny simply buying something from RA. I'd bet that guy is trying to sell off anything he can. This still doesn't explain the email association.
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Post by devastitis on Aug 13, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -6
It should be enough of a red flag if a "business partner" needed to hide behind another name and pretend he had nothing to do with the venture.
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Post by jbcoulier on Aug 13, 2015 14:23:03 GMT -6
This is not the limit of the 'association'. Nice work, Jvmison, but you didn't need to tell us that you're a liar. All the original points stand: the email. the testimony of RA's old employees, the similarity in your branding and 'vision': Sal didn't say that you are buying supplies from RA, he said that Jamison Aweau is rebranding for him. In fact, the only thing that's happened is that you've confirmed that you're happy to try to deceive us.
I won't go into details, but there's a strategy in 'questioning' scenarios that they might have taught you in the infantry (though I sort of doubt it at that level): tell a partial truth after lying, then stick to it, highlighting the fact that you were forced into a confession. This not only gives the impression that you've 'come clean' and want to cooperate, but it manipulates your questioner, who wants to feel that he's achieved something, and can now be led down the garden path. But the truths you tell him are controlled, so it doesn't really hurt you, or those you're protecting. So you guide him back into a world of lies, using your little truth as the lure. Sound familiar?
Yeah, I'm paranoid ... but it's SO much more fun that way!
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Post by 98superglide on Aug 13, 2015 15:30:25 GMT -6
It's far too fishy for me. That was before DD and Orian confirmed that he is rebranding the scamming shit heap that is Lawless. I hope this spreads light wild fire across the Internet. They can just Phoenix again I guess. I just hope that RA has to pay the piper at some stage. Hopefully on tabloid news with a camera man chasing him asking about all the people he ripped off.
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Post by Griffin on Aug 13, 2015 15:31:43 GMT -6
I need to remember this teqnique when girlfriend put me to the wall about to many purchases. Tell Lie....come sorta clean but so it wont hurt...get trust...lead down other path - got it!
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Post by davelewis on Aug 13, 2015 15:44:34 GMT -6
RA is kind of like the Bernie Madoff of denim. For the most part, those that purchased early on received some kind of return. I myself, received 3 items of purchase. As the sham continued, with more hype, those people eventually ended up being the bag holders, just like Bernie's ponzi scheme. At least Bernie is in jail now.
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Post by indigobryce on Aug 13, 2015 16:40:22 GMT -6
Well I have a few opinions on this. From what I remember the kevlar was coming straight from a distributor that you could have bought from all on your own. No reason you would have needed to go to him to buy. When I left there where maybe 3 rolls enough to make about 70+ jeans. I cant imagine you would go to Roman to buy a product that is easily obtainable direct from a factory and shipped by UPS to your door. So either you are Roman rebranding yourself and doing it badly or you are Jamison and being heavily dupped buying a heavily overpriced and marked up product through a bad middle man that is bad to associate a denim business with. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by oatwilly on Aug 13, 2015 17:07:02 GMT -6
I was willing to give him some slack but there was no reason to deny simply buying something from RA. I'd bet that guy is trying to sell off anything he can. This still doesn't explain the email association. The kevlar line was I'm sure what Roman instructed him to come back and post after he caught wind of what was going down here |
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Post by 98superglide on Aug 13, 2015 17:22:36 GMT -6
It's probably just a safe to bet to not deal with these guys full stop. Who knows what the actual deal is, regardless, he has screwed himself with early lies. I, for one, will not spend a red cent with anyone remotely associated with Lawless or the other half a dozen names he calls himself.
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Post by unnamed on Aug 13, 2015 18:28:00 GMT -6
Still doesn't add up!  |
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Post by devastitis on Aug 13, 2015 18:32:28 GMT -6
As much as I'd like to say it was the lies, if he had come forward and said he was working with Roman Acevedo, Lawless Denim / LD$Co failed business man extraordinaire (WHY ISN'T THIS COMING UP IN GOOGLE?!), I wouldn't buy from him, plain and simple. The lies didn't help, but ties to Roman is an absolute no go.
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Post by jackgordon on Aug 13, 2015 19:15:04 GMT -6
I haven't been on this thread for a long time—trying not to think about that order I'll never see..
These past 10 pages or so have been a pretty entertaining read. That Roman Acevedo guy has got brass balls. I can't tell if he's dumb as shit or an evil genius.
To this Jamison character: it seems you're getting way down in the hole. At most only one of you is going to walk away from this 1885 venture.
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Post by oatwilly on Aug 13, 2015 19:56:21 GMT -6
This is reminding me of one of those "World's Dumbest Crooks" shows
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Post by wanz on Aug 13, 2015 23:19:01 GMT -6
I'm sure Reservoir 1885 has nothing to hide. Well except that they've used a Panamanian company to hide the registration of their domain: Domain Name: RESERVOIR1885.COM Registry Domain ID: 1944063071_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com Registrar URL: www.enom.comUpdated Date: 2015-07-02T11:31:56.00Z Creation Date: 2015-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar: ENOM, INC. Registrar IANA ID: 48 Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibitedRegistry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC. Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411 Registrant City: PANAMA Registrant State/Province: PANAMA Any small start up committed to bringing us quality goods from the US would do the same thing. It just strikes me as odd to take on this expense when the principle owner / designer has been so forthcoming here. But then I'm probably overly suspicious given my dealings with Lawless. At the very least least it seems like you should use a US based company to obfuscate the domain registration. Save American jobs! |
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Post by david2403 on Aug 14, 2015 1:41:01 GMT -6
There is a reason why brands like IH charge $400 a jean. Its because they have genuine people working for them. It cost more money to be legit than it does to be a shady brand. I feel like denim has been tainted for me. Its no better than when i worked for Hugo Boss and was surrounded by fashion snobs. Taking denim and turning it into a scam is what John Gotti would have done. We dont need any of those This is one of the best posts about this whole sordid affair I've read. Unfortunately, guys like Roman appear every once in a while and piss everyone off. His behavior will eventually catch up to him and he'll have to face the consequences of his sickening behavior. As they say, "karma is a bitch." |
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 14, 2015 5:52:10 GMT -6
LD&Co trying to give us a "Roman Helmet" all over again.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 14, 2015 9:29:13 GMT -6
I'm sure Reservoir 1885 has nothing to hide. Well except that they've used a Panamanian company to hide the registration of their domain: Domain Name: RESERVOIR1885.COM Registry Domain ID: 1944063071_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com Registrar URL: www.enom.comUpdated Date: 2015-07-02T11:31:56.00Z Creation Date: 2015-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-07-02T18:31:00.00Z Registrar: ENOM, INC. Registrar IANA ID: 48 Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibitedRegistry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC. Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411 Registrant City: PANAMA Registrant State/Province: PANAMA Any small start up committed to bringing us quality goods from the US would do the same thing. It just strikes me as odd to take on this expense when the principle owner / designer has been so forthcoming here. But then I'm probably overly suspicious given my dealings with Lawless. At the very least least it seems like you should use a US based company to obfuscate the domain registration. Save American jobs! Oh man. Solid post, duder. Good work. |
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