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Post by exophobe on Jul 20, 2015 17:19:47 GMT -6
This is true RE the bike scene. I tired posting a comment to a write up that included a writeup LD Kevlar jeans over at BikeExif.com and the mods deleted it. I'm sure Roman greased a few palms over there and sent some schwag their way so for all they know he's legit and I was just some internet troll. That site is rapidly becoming a "Cafe Cliche" as the whole cafe bike scene has gotten way overblown so who knows, maybe they'll all be good friends someday ha ha. It's not a big deal to me but I just didn't want anyone to see the write up and the stupid pull test video and think they were going to get product. The plus side to this is that the product linked in their new gear story doesn't really exist anymore, resolves to a different domain, and there's still a "60 days, yeah right" comment on the story. |
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Post by ickes on Jul 20, 2015 17:35:20 GMT -6
No idea, this whole industry is a mess to be honest. After working for him Ive learned a ton about this industry and its an absolute mess. Ive been in the denim industry a long while but through the looking glass view I had nothing is right with this industry. Every company has a sham somewhere and everyone is padding something. From outsourcing by the boat load (literally by the boat load) to using denims that arent what they say. They all just assume many of you have no idea what they are talking about and will take it on face value. Jobber denim companies often buy lots that are completely unidentifiable and re-sell it as such and then the companies rename it whatever in the hell they want because there is no one to check up on it. Any company buying from a jobber could easily mis-represent anything as anything. Thanks for joining, indigobryceYour words above are exactly why jeans from companies like IH or Oni are worth the money if one is concerned about actually knowing what they get. I have Gustins as well and like them, but I have no illusions about everything they make being exactly what they say it is because I don't think THEY even know what half the stuff they buy really is. This. "From one of the finest mills in Japan"...yeah? Which one? |
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Post by matt on Jul 20, 2015 17:41:20 GMT -6
Thanks for joining, indigobryceYour words above are exactly why jeans from companies like IH or Oni are worth the money if one is concerned about actually knowing what they get. I have Gustins as well and like them, but I have no illusions about everything they make being exactly what they say it is because I don't think THEY even know what half the stuff they buy really is. This. "From one of the finest mills in Japan"...yeah? Which one? The Chinese one? |
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Post by Winterland on Jul 20, 2015 18:08:52 GMT -6
I was unplugged from the net for a week camping and am catching up on the forum. It is great to have orion23 and indigobryce on the forum giving us their LD experience. Hoping our members with outstanding orders and or refunds get taken care of. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Jul 20, 2015 18:22:00 GMT -6
Well, I guess this will teach me to
1) get thing in writing for any work I do
2) only take cash for work done
3) demand at least 50% of the cash in advance
I thought I was being a nice dude helping get the website launched and instead I donated about $1200 worth of labor to an idiot.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jul 20, 2015 18:59:28 GMT -6
Thanks for joining, indigobryceYour words above are exactly why jeans from companies like IH or Oni are worth the money if one is concerned about actually knowing what they get. I have Gustins as well and like them, but I have no illusions about everything they make being exactly what they say it is because I don't think THEY even know what half the stuff they buy really is. This. "From one of the finest mills in Japan"...yeah? Which one? "One of the Finest Mills in Japan" is probably the name of a Chinese textile company. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:03:05 GMT -6
This. "From one of the finest mills in Japan"...yeah? Which one? "One of the Finest Mills in Japan" is probably the name of a Chinese textile company. Owned by Gustin |
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Post by oatwilly on Jul 20, 2015 19:02:57 GMT -6
until a small scuffle with a side job him and I did where I got pretty screwed. I'm sure there's a good story there lol, do tell... |
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Post by wisdom on Jul 20, 2015 19:10:11 GMT -6
Supima cant make him do anything sadly because the equipment to make the denim doesnt currently work. The one loom they had operational is maybe 60% at best and would require a lot more money from Roman that he doesnt have to get going. Supima wants it, you all want it. But as I said he did have a back up 22oz denim on order from Japan to replace the supima orders but its nothing very special. Again another smoke trick. The pair of jeans you saw a tag sewn onto was just a 14oz kurabo and just a fake wasteband and back pocket for the picture. Thanks for all the information indigobryce .. This is where LD has crossed the line.. I've worked with and consulted struggling companies for years and have realized that I can often fix poor judgment, operations, and strategy, but cannot fix ego or ethics. This behavior is not an example of incompetence or poor judgment.. it is deceptive and arguably criminal. I hope the situation now is different from what it was when you left. Kahla seemed to think the American Selvage thing had the best chance of success out of all the things LD had cooked up. It's either a good thing for the SUPIMA or the place is totally f'cockta. The best thing I can say is at least Roman hasn't given up.. gotta give him credit for trying, but seriously.. cut the crap and dish it to us straight. |
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Post by exophobe on Jul 20, 2015 19:26:21 GMT -6
"One of the Finest Mills in Japan" is probably the name of a Chinese textile company. Owned by Gustin If Gustin were running a mill in China producing fabric that rivals Japanese mills, I don't know if they'd keep it a secret. But anyway, can we stop lumping Gustin in with the Lawless failures? I have a lot of stuff from this company that is really good stuff, and know a lot of others here do as well. They may not be the best company selling denim out there, but they've done a lot of really cool stuff. I don't understand why liking other brands has to be at the expense of liking Gustin. We all know there are companies getting superior denim milled for them, but there is some great stuff that Gustin releases despite their stubbornness in design. If you're really curious about the mills making their fabrics, keep your eyes open, and you'll see that they're using several Japanese mills. |
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Post by 98superglide on Jul 20, 2015 19:38:05 GMT -6
I'm surprised they haven't been charged with trading insolvent. In Australia it's a crime to continue to trade when suppliers etc aren't being paid. Basically selling more stock to to pay for the last round of orders. It happens in pubs a lot. Trying to trade your way out of trouble while incurring more debt that you will never pay off. The government and the tax man takes a very grim view on it. The penalties are severe. I hope they smash this grub.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jul 20, 2015 19:58:52 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:59:58 GMT -6
If Gustin were running a mill in China producing fabric that rivals Japanese mills, I don't know if they'd keep it a secret. But anyway, can we stop lumping Gustin in with the Lawless failures? I have a lot of stuff from this company that is really good stuff, and know a lot of others here do as well. They may not be the best company selling denim out there, but they've done a lot of really cool stuff. I don't understand why liking other brands has to be at the expense of liking Gustin. We all know there are companies getting superior denim milled for them, but there is some great stuff that Gustin releases despite their stubbornness in design. If you're really curious about the mills making their fabrics, keep your eyes open, and you'll see that they're using several Japanese mills. I for one don't care where the fabric is made just that it is of a quality befitting the price. I'm glad Bryce brought up the subject. I doubt fabric is covered under cities. Without a clear supply chain and a lot of honesty buyer beware |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jul 20, 2015 20:08:34 GMT -6
This thread has become the TMZ of denim. I dont think we should be speculating that brands do such things. I mean i am certain of 1 but thats all we should be talking about
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 20:17:48 GMT -6
This thread has become the TMZ of denim. I dont think we should be speculating that brands do such things. I mean i am certain of 1 but thats all we should be talking about there's also a distinct difference between a vague statement like 'finest mill this side of chugoku, but we won't tell you where' and 'denim made in america from supima cotton, except really something random from japan' |
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Post by brentkuz on Jul 20, 2015 21:00:42 GMT -6
If Gustin were running a mill in China producing fabric that rivals Japanese mills, I don't know if they'd keep it a secret. But anyway, can we stop lumping Gustin in with the Lawless failures? I have a lot of stuff from this company that is really good stuff, and know a lot of others here do as well. They may not be the best company selling denim out there, but they've done a lot of really cool stuff. I don't understand why liking other brands has to be at the expense of liking Gustin. We all know there are companies getting superior denim milled for them, but there is some great stuff that Gustin releases despite their stubbornness in design. If you're really curious about the mills making their fabrics, keep your eyes open, and you'll see that they're using several Japanese mills. Dude come on everyone has been asking for the mills since the inception of Gustin. It's nice to know exactly where you're product is coming from. I find it strange when companies will stress one aspect of the brand and keep another one on the DL or secrete. Gustin loves how they are made in the USA and San Fran but won't say the mill the fabric is from. Benrus touts american heritage but are made overseas with foreign parts. And Levis....all about american heritage but when it was profitable moved jobs overseas and increases profit margins. I am all for capitalism but I hate the false advertising these american companies spit out. Fashion, cars, food. They all are deceptive. Healthy food when it's a bunch of crap, american heritage when it's overseas made, and same with cars. Ford american tough and it's mostly produced somewhere else. If I'm buying a cheap pack of Hanes boxers I don't care where they are made same goes for like boot socks. Something has always been odd with the lack of mills. I suspected they were buying discount jobber denim and the history was just unknown or how these zombie denims keep popping up. Maybe they don't tell us all the mills because they don't know. |
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Post by exophobe on Jul 20, 2015 21:10:37 GMT -6
brentkuz - but at the same time, disclosing the mill a fabric came from is uncommon in the industry as a whole. You've hit the nail on the head, "it's nice to know where it comes from", and with those fabrics gustin uses that we've found elsewhere, it's easy enough to see that the majority of their fabrics are coming from Japanese mills, the U.S. ones come out of cone, the Italian fabrics are from candiani. We've seen kaihara and collect from gustin. I'm actually curious about this one, does iron heart, pbj or Oni actually say the mill that makes the fabric? Other than momo/jb coming out of collect mills, Im not sure I've seen that disclosed.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jul 20, 2015 21:50:50 GMT -6
Made in the USA is what mattered for most Americans for the last 20 or so years. Most americans are not going to look at where in the United States as in State. Denim lovers on the other hand want to know everything (transparency) about the items they are buying. If u are selling to strictly denim "heads", u will likely sell to that point of transparency and disclose much more but if u are looking at a bigger audience u will state simple facts as in Made in The USA or Made in China
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jul 20, 2015 22:23:02 GMT -6
My Chinese textile post was a joke. I just thought it was funny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Haha. It just was funny to me that there'd be an actual mill called "One of the Finest Mills in Japan," and that's what Gustin has been referring to all this time.
FWIW, I like my Gustin jeans quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:23:58 GMT -6
The point being they may not know for sure, or just pass along what they've been told because it's expected. I'm sure most of these places buy from a broker and they may or may not known what mill a particular fabric comes from.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:24:10 GMT -6
If Gustin were running a mill in China producing fabric that rivals Japanese mills, I don't know if they'd keep it a secret. But anyway, can we stop lumping Gustin in with the Lawless failures? I have a lot of stuff from this company that is really good stuff, and know a lot of others here do as well. They may not be the best company selling denim out there, but they've done a lot of really cool stuff. I don't understand why liking other brands has to be at the expense of liking Gustin. We all know there are companies getting superior denim milled for them, but there is some great stuff that Gustin releases despite their stubbornness in design. If you're really curious about the mills making their fabrics, keep your eyes open, and you'll see that they're using several Japanese mills. Dude come on everyone has been asking for the mills since the inception of Gustin. It's nice to know exactly where you're product is coming from. I find it strange when companies will stress one aspect of the brand and keep another one on the DL or secrete. Gustin loves how they are made in the USA and San Fran but won't say the mill the fabric is from. Benrus touts american heritage but are made overseas with foreign parts. And Levis....all about american heritage but when it was profitable moved jobs overseas and increases profit margins. I am all for capitalism but I hate the false advertising these american companies spit out. Fashion, cars, food. They all are deceptive. Healthy food when it's a bunch of crap, american heritage when it's overseas made, and same with cars. Ford american tough and it's mostly produced somewhere else. If I'm buying a cheap pack of Hanes boxers I don't care where they are made same goes for like boot socks. Something has always been odd with the lack of mills. I suspected they were buying discount jobber denim and the history was just unknown or how these zombie denims keep popping up. Maybe they don't tell us all the mills because they don't know. Don't you remember the time they posted a very specific looking heavyweight denim on IG, and it got bought out? Many mills make similar looking fabrics, but some are obvious. If they say who the mill is, they risk a competitors jumping their supply chain. Makes sense to me |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:27:13 GMT -6
My Chinese textile post was a joke. I just thought it was funny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Haha. It just was funny to me that there'd be an actual mill called "One of the Finest Mills in Japan," and that's what Gustin has been referring to all this time. FWIW, I like my Gustin jeans quite a bit. I thought it was funny and "owned by G" was a joke also. |
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Post by ickes on Jul 20, 2015 22:39:53 GMT -6
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jul 20, 2015 22:47:49 GMT -6
If u are buying direct from Cone Mills I would think u would choose to have this on ur labels but if u go broker u are not allowed to do so. I am also pretty sure there is something Cone would need to approve of for this label as well  |
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Post by efrenlopez on Jul 21, 2015 0:54:10 GMT -6
So who do you think will play Roman in the movie? Sal, do you have any preferences for who will play you?
I already have the tagline:
"In a world, where denim is everything........you may have to give up.....everything"
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