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Post by Griffin on May 10, 2015 1:50:47 GMT -6
That fabric shrinks alot, and I have only washed cold. Heads up.
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Post by Winterland on May 10, 2015 17:25:38 GMT -6
Ordered as a Slim Small. I asked for my other LD denim shirts to be shortened as I don't tuck them and don't like them too long. I kept this one stock length as I will be tucking the lighter fabric. Lighter compared with 14oz and 16oz denim of my other western shirts. Here are the specs before wash. Will add post wash specs later. Pit to Pit 21" Shoulders 16.75" Arms 26.5" Waist 20.5" Front 24.25 Back 28.75" It looks like a great shirt but none of those measurements line up with the specs for a Slim Small. It's coming in big everywhere. Anyone else found this with their shirts? This shirt was average an inch big on the prewash measurements. It did shrink an average of an inch everywhere so I would say it is fairly on spec. Here are post wash measurements. I did want it to shrink but wasn't sure how far to go. I machine washed cold and did a regular dryer cycle. There was a lot of indigo that came out of the washer. I ran a rinse cycle after to clean it out. No problems with any bad effect to the fabric from the wash/dry. I could probably do a warm wash next time as the pit to pit could go a little tighter for me. I like 39"-40" depending on the fabric. It fits overall great right now. I like a slim but not restricted fit. Will post fit pics later. Pit to Pit 20.5" Shoulders 16.5" Arms 25.5" Waist 19" Front 23.5" Back 27.5"
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Post by Winterland on May 10, 2015 17:29:36 GMT -6
Winterland looks good. looks like you got the same fabric as some of us that also had ordered the Japanese Dark Indigo Chambray...the strange double layer twill/chambray. the exterior fabric isn't a chambray, but it does seem to be lined with a lightweight chambray. it's an interesting combo for sure...though i do dislike that we didn't get what we ordered. this is what chambray should have been: I hear you, but I would have to have a shirt made with both to compare but as I said I do like this fabric whatever it is. I have never had a chambray shirt, that I know of, so I don't know what the difference would be.
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Post by exophobe on May 10, 2015 18:04:37 GMT -6
I hear you, but I would have to have a shirt made with both to compare but as I said I do like this fabric whatever it is. I have never had a chambray shirt, that I know of, so I don't know what the difference would be. Don't even worry about it, what you got is one of the more interesting fabrics I've had the pleasure of owning. I have the CPO in this fabric and it is really one of my favorite pieces of clothing, and it just keeps getting better. Makes a great "evening after a warm day" overshirt, or cold weather normal shirt. Hell, if you're cold at night, you could probably sleep in the damn thing with how soft it is. Anyway, some time back, there was a PBJ shirt linked that looked to be made of the same fabric, and with the way it's aging I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a "B" roll since they have such high standards. Or PBJ isn't the mythical beast it appears to be, and they're going after the same mills, but I don't think that's the case. I prefer to think of them as a mythical beast.
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Post by brentkuz on May 10, 2015 20:29:18 GMT -6
If you ordered the dark chambray or Indio chambray you got the mysterious twill/bray!
I'm happy my lawless experiment is done. I wish someone would buy my jeans and shirt off me for pennies just to get rid of them. The errors I had were bad but I are them. But sending the wrong fabric willfully and fully knowing if was the wrong fabric and never notifying the customer is the kicker for me that put me over the edge.
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Post by DigDug on May 11, 2015 10:44:27 GMT -6
This mysterious twill/bray looks nice to me. With 5 shirts ordered and unaccounted for I dare not order another (that and I'm very doubtful I have my size dialed in)?
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Post by Winterland on May 11, 2015 11:51:57 GMT -6
This mysterious twill/bray looks nice to me. With 5 shirts ordered and unaccounted for I dare not order another (that and I'm very doubtful I have my size dialed in)? I hear you. I think many people hold off on ordering more until they get one item to check their sizing.
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Post by davelewis on May 11, 2015 12:25:09 GMT -6
I have a grasp on LDs sizing, but will refrain from ordering, as time to receive products has lengthened to 6 months for my last order, and no assurance that this is getting any better.
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Post by jackgordon on May 11, 2015 18:52:11 GMT -6
Well, I finally received my Type 2, and I would be completely stoked with it if I had ordered in a medium and not a large. Unless I'm wearing something thick underneath it it drowns me a bit, and I want to be able to wear it over a shirt or a t-shirt. How sad for me. Ah well.
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Post by jray on May 11, 2015 18:54:07 GMT -6
Soak it in hot water and shrink it!
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Post by jackgordon on May 11, 2015 19:25:07 GMT -6
I've thought about that, but it's already a pretty tight weave (Kuroki 14oz) and I don't think it would shrink up too much. It would then stretch out with wear and I'd be no better off. I've also thought about taking it to a tailor, but I'm not sure how much they'd be able to do as it's big everywhere—chest, shoulders, upper arms.
It shows me that spec measurements aren't everything. I've got shirts with the same chest measurements as this jacket that don't look or feel big on me at all.
Still, it seems like Lawless are getting things together. If they ever bring their prices back down toward what they were, I would definitely order another from them.
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Post by beeranddenim on May 11, 2015 20:06:15 GMT -6
Measurements on your type ii? I doubt I'll every see mine. Perhaps I could buy yours
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Post by bigblack on May 11, 2015 20:57:51 GMT -6
I've thought about that, but it's already a pretty tight weave (Kuroki 14oz) and I don't think it would shrink up too much. It would then stretch out with wear and I'd be no better off. I've also thought about taking it to a tailor, but I'm not sure how much they'd be able to do as it's big everywhere—chest, shoulders, upper arms. It shows me that spec measurements aren't everything. I've got shirts with the same chest measurements as this jacket that don't look or feel big on me at all. Still, it seems like Lawless are getting things together. If they ever bring their prices back down toward what they were, I would definitely order another from them. I think you should hot wash it. Jackets don't stretch out like pants do, unless it's really tight.
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Post by matt on May 11, 2015 21:05:34 GMT -6
I'm tempted by the ready-to-wear/ship line (very tempted), but not at the compromise of custom orders (see another thread for that). But, so when did odd waist sizes become the minority in the decision making process? Really? No 33? I can live with a 34 LD, but I was hoping to get a size lower. Well, as I said, it's tempting.
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Post by dock on May 11, 2015 21:48:16 GMT -6
hot water will shrink it 100%
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Post by exophobe on May 11, 2015 22:00:43 GMT -6
hot water will shrink it 100% You'll never see it again!!
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Post by julian on May 12, 2015 0:41:28 GMT -6
I think you should hot wash it. Jackets don't stretch out like pants do, unless it's really tight. Definitely worth doing. Unless a jacket is virtually skin tight, there's really not much resistance offered through general wear - and even then it's fairly transient.
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Post by jackgordon on May 13, 2015 4:27:04 GMT -6
Hot soak it is. I've got 2 water glasses holding the cuffs where they are (I don't have big hands and they're pretty tight) and everything else I hope will shrink up.
The specs for a large jacket have the chest at 43". Mine is 44". Hopefully the soak will bring it more in line with the spec.
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Post by jlx on May 17, 2015 3:53:30 GMT -6
Mini-review of KS order jeansSeven months after expected delivery my jeans have finally arrived. I ordered the 14oz Kaihara Khaki, 29 Slim Straight. MaterialThere isn't a lot to say about the fabric, it's very starchy and stiff and after wearing it out for a few hours it doesn't seem to be crocking much/at all. I'm thinking this is going to be a hard fader, but I'm really not bothered by that at all. Mid-brown/khaki with a red selvage ID, I have a suspicion this is the same fabric as Gustin's Downtown Browns. FitFirst thing to note, while these are the 'Slim Straight', I would definitely say they fit skinny rather than slim. This was expected given the sizing guide, and I'm a skinny guy so no problems there. Measurements were up to spec with the exception of the waist, which measures about a half inch larger than expected. I feel the top block fits a bit weirdly on me. I'm not sure what it is, but I feel like the back rise is a bit too long for the front rise, making the jeans sit a bit oddly. ConstructionI'm not a raw denim expert, I only own one other pair of raws but I'll try to say what I can. Construction seems rock solid, superior I feel, to my Gustins. Stitching is clean and straight though it should be noted the hem doesn't appear to be chain stitched. This pair has the small back pockets used for the older orders. Incidentally, since this is a small pair of jeans, they're in proportion with the pants so it doesn't seem odd. It's snug, but my wallet does fit so I have no complaints. The back pockets are fully canvas-lined which is nice, and the pocket bags are the same, substantial canvas which I do like. The custom LD hardware is solid, but they did something weird with my order. I selected black hardware, which they used for the rivets. however, all the fly buttons are white. I don't know why or how that happened. Final thoughtsThe first phase of my LD adventure is over, I'm still waiting for a new site order in size 30 (which I now suspect may be a tad big for me, might need to hot soak and pray). It goes without saying the wait was ludicrous. I backed the KS on a whim, not because I *needed* the jeans, otherwise I would have been on the refund boat many months ago. As things stand, I'm happy with the jeans I received. Given the price I paid, they're definitely up to standard. At the discount prices they keep throwing around at face value the jeans are definitely worth the cost, imo. However, it might be worth weighing the cost against the years of life lost stressing over the whole process. Will I order from LD again? Time will tell. Like so many others, the LD experience has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, and it's killed a lot of my enthusiasm for crowd funding/MTO. I've used the abusive relationship analogy before, so I think LD and I are going to need some time apart while I think things over. While definitely not Ferrari, I think they've shown they can make quality products at a reasonable price. If LD can pick up their act and get their production under control, maybe someday they'll even be a company I'd recommend to friends. As promised, I included a couple of poor-quality phone camera photos: imgur.com/a/3l7vD#0
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Post by Winterland on May 17, 2015 9:58:17 GMT -6
Mini-review of KS order jeansSeven months after expected delivery my jeans have finally arrived. I ordered the 14oz Kaihara Khaki, 29 Slim Straight. MaterialThere isn't a lot to say about the fabric, it's very starchy and stiff and after wearing it out for a few hours it doesn't seem to be crocking much/at all. I'm thinking this is going to be a hard fader, but I'm really not bothered by that at all. Mid-brown/khaki with a red selvage ID, I have a suspicion this is the same fabric as Gustin's Downtown Browns. FitFirst thing to note, while these are the 'Slim Straight', I would definitely say they fit skinny rather than slim. This was expected given the sizing guide, and I'm a skinny guy so no problems there. Measurements were up to spec with the exception of the waist, which measures about a half inch larger than expected. I feel the top block fits a bit weirdly on me. I'm not sure what it is, but I feel like the back rise is a bit too long for the front rise, making the jeans sit a bit oddly. ConstructionI'm not a raw denim expert, I only own one other pair of raws but I'll try to say what I can. Construction seems rock solid, superior I feel, to my Gustins. Stitching is clean and straight though it should be noted the hem doesn't appear to be chain stitched. This pair has the small back pockets used for the older orders. Incidentally, since this is a small pair of jeans, they're in proportion with the pants so it doesn't seem odd. It's snug, but my wallet does fit so I have no complaints. The back pockets are fully canvas-lined which is nice, and the pocket bags are the same, substantial canvas which I do like. The custom LD hardware is solid, but they did something weird with my order. I selected black hardware, which they used for the rivets. however, all the fly buttons are white. I don't know why or how that happened. Final thoughtsThe first phase of my LD adventure is over, I'm still waiting for a new site order in size 30 (which I now suspect may be a tad big for me, might need to hot soak and pray). It goes without saying the wait was ludicrous. I backed the KS on a whim, not because I *needed* the jeans, otherwise I would have been on the refund boat many months ago. As things stand, I'm happy with the jeans I received. Given the price I paid, they're definitely up to standard. At the discount prices they keep throwing around at face value the jeans are definitely worth the cost, imo. However, it might be worth weighing the cost against the years of life lost stressing over the whole process. Will I order from LD again? Time will tell. Like so many others, the LD experience has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, and it's killed a lot of my enthusiasm for crowd funding/MTO. I've used the abusive relationship analogy before, so I think LD and I are going to need some time apart while I think things over. While definitely not Ferrari, I think they've shown they can make quality products at a reasonable price. If LD can pick up their act and get their production under control, maybe someday they'll even be a company I'd recommend to friends. As promised, I included a couple of poor-quality phone camera photos: imgur.com/a/3l7vD#0 Those look great. I like the natural leather patch. Seems like it would be hard to mix up black and white? Oh well. The fit looks spot on for a slimmer fit. if the waist is a little big maybe you could just do a warm soak of the top. What did all the measurements end up being? Curious as I wear a 31 waist.
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Post by Griffin on May 17, 2015 10:04:58 GMT -6
Top block also felt slightly long/wierd to me at first but it molded after wear and I never thought about it again, infact they became pretty perfect.
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Post by ickes on May 17, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -6
top block is very odd on the straight fit as well. not a good fit.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 11:24:10 GMT -6
Mini-review of KS order jeansSeven months after expected delivery my jeans have finally arrived. I ordered the 14oz Kaihara Khaki, 29 Slim Straight. MaterialThere isn't a lot to say about the fabric, it's very starchy and stiff and after wearing it out for a few hours it doesn't seem to be crocking much/at all. I'm thinking this is going to be a hard fader, but I'm really not bothered by that at all. Mid-brown/khaki with a red selvage ID, I have a suspicion this is the same fabric as Gustin's Downtown Browns. FitFirst thing to note, while these are the 'Slim Straight', I would definitely say they fit skinny rather than slim. This was expected given the sizing guide, and I'm a skinny guy so no problems there. Measurements were up to spec with the exception of the waist, which measures about a half inch larger than expected. I feel the top block fits a bit weirdly on me. I'm not sure what it is, but I feel like the back rise is a bit too long for the front rise, making the jeans sit a bit oddly. ConstructionI'm not a raw denim expert, I only own one other pair of raws but I'll try to say what I can. Construction seems rock solid, superior I feel, to my Gustins. Stitching is clean and straight though it should be noted the hem doesn't appear to be chain stitched. This pair has the small back pockets used for the older orders. Incidentally, since this is a small pair of jeans, they're in proportion with the pants so it doesn't seem odd. It's snug, but my wallet does fit so I have no complaints. The back pockets are fully canvas-lined which is nice, and the pocket bags are the same, substantial canvas which I do like. The custom LD hardware is solid, but they did something weird with my order. I selected black hardware, which they used for the rivets. however, all the fly buttons are white. I don't know why or how that happened. Final thoughtsThe first phase of my LD adventure is over, I'm still waiting for a new site order in size 30 (which I now suspect may be a tad big for me, might need to hot soak and pray). It goes without saying the wait was ludicrous. I backed the KS on a whim, not because I *needed* the jeans, otherwise I would have been on the refund boat many months ago. As things stand, I'm happy with the jeans I received. Given the price I paid, they're definitely up to standard. At the discount prices they keep throwing around at face value the jeans are definitely worth the cost, imo. However, it might be worth weighing the cost against the years of life lost stressing over the whole process. Will I order from LD again? Time will tell. Like so many others, the LD experience has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, and it's killed a lot of my enthusiasm for crowd funding/MTO. I've used the abusive relationship analogy before, so I think LD and I are going to need some time apart while I think things over. While definitely not Ferrari, I think they've shown they can make quality products at a reasonable price. If LD can pick up their act and get their production under control, maybe someday they'll even be a company I'd recommend to friends. As promised, I included a couple of poor-quality phone camera photos: imgur.com/a/3l7vD#0 the fabric looks great. just for reference, i wouldn't expect much in terms of fading (or crocking) from any non-indigo denim. indigo dyes don't set as well as other colors...fading away to the core of the fabric used. this is why you get such dynamic fades with indigo denim. other colors will tend to become lighter versions of the same color over time, but not to the thread core without a lot of use and time. the hardware mismatch is unfortunate...but if you wear a belt at least no one will really see the button colors. the patch looks a bit unevenly stamped (in the photo), like the left side of the impression is much deeper than the right side of the patch. i've found that most issues with varying rises tend to be an immediate 'feel'...ie a difference from what i'm used to. after a bit of break in and forming to my body they've usually ended up feeling/looking pretty natural...hopefully you find the same.
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Post by jlx on May 17, 2015 18:37:40 GMT -6
@winterland: When I get home I'll take the tape measure to it again and get some numbers, but from memory it was generally within half an inch of the KS sizing guide, save the waist which came in a bit big. @david: You're right, I didn't notice the patch stamp at first but it does seem to be stamped more deeply on the left side than the right. I'll definitely be wearing these around a bit to see how they settle in. I can see them becoming my favourite pair of jeans Edited with approx measurements: Waist: 30 Thigh 2in down: 10.5 Knee: 6.75 Hem: 6.25
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Post by Tobesjones on May 22, 2015 12:41:53 GMT -6
Put me in the success camp. Took a week for delivery. With the $20 credit couldn't resist a pair of green denim for $25. Only drawback is they seem a bit big compared to my other pairs ......
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