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Post by jeffrx on Mar 13, 2015 6:14:56 GMT -6
I agree, the pockets look off. Also, 1.5" too long on the sleeves seems like a lot, no?
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Post by seth on Mar 13, 2015 6:33:54 GMT -6
I agree, the pockets look off. Also, 1.5" too long on the sleeves seems like a lot, no? I agree. The pockets look off. Too small. Too far apart. And + 1.5" in the sleeve, at least for me, means I'd have to get it tailored again, or return the item. I've read that in a number of reviews so far: shoulders - 0.5" and sleeves + 1.5". I'll let you guys know in a few days when I get mine. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 6:37:50 GMT -6
The fit pic makes the pockets look like they're in your pits. Definitely a mistake.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 13, 2015 6:49:06 GMT -6
I agree, the pockets look off. Also, 1.5" too long on the sleeves seems like a lot, no? I agree. The pockets look off. Too small. Too far apart. And + 1.5" in the sleeve, at least for me, means I'd have to get it tailored again, or return the item. I've read that in a number of reviews so far: shoulders - 0.5" and sleeves + 1.5". I'll let you guys know in a few days when I get mine. These are raw fabrics, with a wash you will lose some length. If you're keeping it raw then the shirt is likely denim, and as you wear it you will find that creases will wear into it, and this will shorten the sleeves up. This is what I've been experiencing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 7:30:08 GMT -6
I agree, the pockets look off. Also, 1.5" too long on the sleeves seems like a lot, no? I agree. The pockets look off. Too small. Too far apart. And + 1.5" in the sleeve, at least for me, means I'd have to get it tailored again, or return the item. I've read that in a number of reviews so far: shoulders - 0.5" and sleeves + 1.5". I'll let you guys know in a few days when I get mine. For me, someone who WORKS in his workshirts, the + "1.5 is ideal... It's FUNCTIONAL, for overhead reaching, and aside from that, it keeps your sleeves a decent length after shrink and whiskers development. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 8:00:12 GMT -6
i actually hate when i'm working on something and my sleeves are too long. it does keep the wrists covered when reaching i guess, but i'd rather have a bit of wrist skin exposed when extended than the sleeve covering the base of my palm...either getting in the way, getting all grimed up, or forcing me to push them up every few minutes (so i typically keep long sleeves cuffed)
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Post by jeffrx on Mar 13, 2015 8:01:50 GMT -6
I agree. The pockets look off. Too small. Too far apart. And + 1.5" in the sleeve, at least for me, means I'd have to get it tailored again, or return the item. I've read that in a number of reviews so far: shoulders - 0.5" and sleeves + 1.5". I'll let you guys know in a few days when I get mine. For me, someone who WORKS in his workshirts, the + "1.5 is ideal... It's FUNCTIONAL, for overhead reaching, and aside from that, it keeps your sleeves a decent length after shrink and whiskers development. That's a fair point, but either way the sleeves should come in at what they say they are. Some might come in long, some might come in to specs. Consistency would be the best. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 8:59:06 GMT -6
In fairness, I only check specs if I'm dissatisfied.
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Post by seth on Mar 13, 2015 9:06:04 GMT -6
I agree. The pockets look off. Too small. Too far apart. And + 1.5" in the sleeve, at least for me, means I'd have to get it tailored again, or return the item. I've read that in a number of reviews so far: shoulders - 0.5" and sleeves + 1.5". I'll let you guys know in a few days when I get mine. For me, someone who WORKS in his workshirts, the + "1.5 is ideal... It's FUNCTIONAL, for overhead reaching, and aside from that, it keeps your sleeves a decent length after shrink and whiskers development. Except that's not what the size charts indicate when you purchase a shirt. If the chart says it will be made to 25.5", I expect 25.5" not 27". I can account for my own arm reach, usage, and potential shirt shrinkage. I want the product to match the chart and then I"ll factor in my needs accordingly. I agree longer sleeve can be more functional for working. I'm just saying, I can account for that when I make a purchasing decision and the product should adhere to spec. |
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Post by bigblack on Mar 13, 2015 9:37:55 GMT -6
For me, someone who WORKS in his workshirts, the + "1.5 is ideal... It's FUNCTIONAL, for overhead reaching, and aside from that, it keeps your sleeves a decent length after shrink and whiskers development. Except that's not what the size charts indicate when you purchase a shirt. If the chart says it will be made to 25.5", I expect 25.5" not 27". I can account for my own arm reach, usage, and potential shirt shrinkage. I want the product to match the chart and then I"ll factor in my needs accordingly. I agree longer sleeve can be more functional for working. I'm just saying, I can account for that when I make a purchasing decision and the product should adhere to spec. Maybe LD is accounting for the sleeves to shrink with wash and stacks. Like other brands and their inseam. They stamp whats expected and not actual |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 10:04:04 GMT -6
For me, someone who WORKS in his workshirts, the + "1.5 is ideal... It's FUNCTIONAL, for overhead reaching, and aside from that, it keeps your sleeves a decent length after shrink and whiskers development. Except that's not what the size charts indicate when you purchase a shirt. If the chart says it will be made to 25.5", I expect 25.5" not 27". I can account for my own arm reach, usage, and potential shirt shrinkage. I want the product to match the chart and then I"ll factor in my needs accordingly. I agree longer sleeve can be more functional for working. I'm just saying, I can account for that when I make a purchasing decision and the product should adhere to spec. I'm really not trying to be a d!ck, but I don't even measure myself before ordering, because it's just so cheap. If it works, cool. If it doesn't, I sell it. If you picked the wrong size, but it turned out to be out of spec, but a perfect fit, what would you say? That's the basis that I operate on... But, like I've said, I don't need any of the things I've ordered. Perfection is too much to ask of anyone |
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Post by Winterland on Mar 13, 2015 10:16:36 GMT -6
Except that's not what the size charts indicate when you purchase a shirt. If the chart says it will be made to 25.5", I expect 25.5" not 27". I can account for my own arm reach, usage, and potential shirt shrinkage. I want the product to match the chart and then I"ll factor in my needs accordingly. I agree longer sleeve can be more functional for working. I'm just saying, I can account for that when I make a purchasing decision and the product should adhere to spec. Maybe LD is accounting for the sleeves to shrink with wash and stacks. Like other brands and their inseam. They stamp whats expected and not actual Once again the measurements that are off spec are okay as the small slim spec charts aren't perfect for me. Spec for the sleeves is 24.5. They are 26 which is perfect for me. As some have mentioned there will be shrinkage dependent on how you wash dry. I understand that having items come in different than the spec chart can be a gamble. If this shirt came in exactly on spec there is a chance that it still could have fit. Shoulders would have been wider which in turn makes the arms a little longer. Overall the fit on me is a good. I like to post specs for others as it can be useful information. Will let you know what goes on with the pocket situation. |
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Post by Whiskey Mercenary on Mar 13, 2015 10:20:30 GMT -6
Except that's not what the size charts indicate when you purchase a shirt. If the chart says it will be made to 25.5", I expect 25.5" not 27". I can account for my own arm reach, usage, and potential shirt shrinkage. I want the product to match the chart and then I"ll factor in my needs accordingly. I agree longer sleeve can be more functional for working. I'm just saying, I can account for that when I make a purchasing decision and the product should adhere to spec. I'm really not trying to be a d!ck, but I don't even measure myself before ordering, because it's just so cheap. If it works, cool. If it doesn't, I sell it. If you picked the wrong size, but it turned out to be out of spec, but a perfect fit, what would you say? That's the basis that I operate on... But, like I've said, I don't need any of the things I've ordered. Perfection is too much to ask of anyone I kinda follow this as well. I'm not an obsessive measurer, it fits or it doesn't. I know my "size" is a medium pretty much universally, just comes down to the fit for me. And individual items can vary from lots of manufacturers. The late, great wils turned me on to some Woolrich shirts offered by Abercombie. I ordered a medium in 2 colors. One fit perfect, the other had sleeves that were 1.5 inches shorter. Swapped it out for another, .75" shorter. I've ordered my 3rd and hope it fits. Everyone has variance, just gotta find something that works for you |
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Post by ickes on Mar 13, 2015 11:00:00 GMT -6
i actually hate when i'm working on something and my sleeves are too long. it does keep the wrists covered when reaching i guess, but i'd rather have a bit of wrist skin exposed when extended than the sleeve covering the base of my palm...either getting in the way, getting all grimed up, or forcing me to push them up every few minutes (so i typically keep long sleeves cuffed) @david nailed it. I work in actual work shirts everyday and imo having sleeves too long just get in the way and are annoying. They will get caught in cutting/grinding tools, get super dirty on the ends all the time, and are just not preferred for me. However with that being said, for my casual shirts (which are also work shirts sometimes obviously) I actually would rather have the sleeves too long than too short. The sleeves on my LD shirts were an inch plus over specs but that isn't a hug deal for me honestly. I have long arms and it drives me crazy when my sleeves are too short on my casual shirts which can be very common so it's actually kind of refreshing when the sleeves are on the long side like the Gustin and LD shirts. |
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Post by gusjin on Mar 13, 2015 12:46:12 GMT -6
i actually hate when i'm working on something and my sleeves are too long. it does keep the wrists covered when reaching i guess, but i'd rather have a bit of wrist skin exposed when extended than the sleeve covering the base of my palm...either getting in the way, getting all grimed up, or forcing me to push them up every few minutes (so i typically keep long sleeves cuffed) @david nailed it. I work in actual work shirts everyday and imo having sleeves too long just get in the way and are annoying. They will get caught in cutting/grinding tools, get super dirty on the ends all the time, and are just not preferred for me. However with that being said, for my casual shirts (which are also work shirts sometimes obviously) I actually would rather have the sleeves too long than too short. The sleeves on my LD shirts were an inch plus over specs but that isn't a hug deal for me honestly. I have long arms and it drives me crazy when my sleeves are too short on my casual shirts which can be very common so it's actually kind of refreshing when the sleeves are on the long side like the Gustin and LD shirts. Sleeve covering the base of your arm and getting caught in cutting tools? Do you two have tiny wrists and hands? Maybe move the cuff button so they're a little tighter?  I never have this problem (my arms aren't long, the fabric just bunches up at the elbow ready for when I reach out) |
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Post by stinky on Mar 13, 2015 14:57:10 GMT -6
I'm on a roll here today, so I'm just going to come out and say it . . . Winterland, the pockets on that shirt are too small and too far apart and it looks stupid on you. It's not your fault, it simply isn't the shirt you ordered. Salvage your image and send it back--please.   |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 13, 2015 19:06:49 GMT -6
Wow. Pockets are comically small. Looks tight in the waist but hard to tell. Are you having snaps pop open doing normal stuff like bending and sitting.
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Post by Winterland on Mar 13, 2015 22:33:58 GMT -6
stinky I haven't had a chance to contact Lawless yet but I am going to send back. If the pockets were closer to center I could live with the smaller pockets but I am going to see if they can make them bigger and centered more. I will also ask what the standard size pocket is. brentkuz Pictures can sometimes distort things. The waist is actually bigger than my other 2 denim shirts. I haven't had a problem with buttons popping open on any of them and I like a slim fit. .
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Post by exophobe on Mar 13, 2015 22:40:55 GMT -6
stinky I haven't had a chance to contact Lawless yet but I am going to send back. If the pockets were closer to center I could live with the smaller pockets but I am going to see if they can make them bigger and centered more. I will also ask what the standard size pocket is. brentkuz Pictures can sometimes distort things. The waist is actually bigger than my other 2 denim shirts. I haven't had a problem with buttons popping open on any of them and I like a slim fit. . For what my opinion is worth, I think the pocket size is about right, they're just in the wrong place. I'm not really a fan of giant shirt pockets, though. |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 14, 2015 6:36:13 GMT -6
Maybe it's the image but they look like condom pockets.
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Post by seth on Mar 14, 2015 11:39:25 GMT -6
My shirt arrived with sleeves too long. Should have been 25.5". Came in at 27.25". Overall, I'd like to keep the shirt.
Should I:
send them back to LD for alterations
send them back for refund
pay a local tailor to fix it
wash and dryer shrink the hell out of them? The cone denim (natural 12.5 oz) is sanforized, but I suspect it will shrink, especially if I use a dryer.
But if i try this, they are not returnable. If it works, that's the cheapest least invasive option and if it doesn't work, I could sell them here to someone with long arms who wants a clean shirt. Also, this natural denim is off white/ cream/natural color, so no indigo dying and no bleeding or weird fades if I wash and dry.
It also might tighten up the torso a bit which would be good for me. It's a bit large all over. I had to up size one to get broader shoulder measurements. Opinions?
Edit: ...a couple hours later...I decided to wash and dry it. It was on sale, so I can afford to see how this experiment goes. I could still sell it or take it to the local tailor if necessary.
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 14, 2015 14:04:57 GMT -6
The sleeves will shrink. Think kinda like the inseam of your pants. There is no tension to stretch the sleeve back out very similarly to the leg of your pants.
Also the sleeve "stacks" around the elbow I've noticed kinda making it seemingly shorter.
Give it a soak and air dry like you would do with jeans before hemming to see how the shrink is. Then reassess.
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Post by seth on Mar 14, 2015 14:18:44 GMT -6
The sleeves will shrink. Think kinda like the inseam of your pants. There is no tension to stretch the sleeve back out very similarly to the leg of your pants. Also the sleeve "stacks" around the elbow I've noticed kinda making it seemingly shorter. Give it a soak and air dry like you would do with jeans before hemming to see how the shrink is. Then reassess. Yes, good idea. I am washing it and also drying it. Hope the sleeves will react like an inseam. |
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Post by Griffin on Mar 15, 2015 6:44:40 GMT -6
Im wondering if they scale the pockets. Since winterlands is a medium the large pockets might have looked too big but the scaling was too aggressive.
I Wonder how mine will turn out. Its on the next order tho.
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