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Post by jackgordon on Mar 11, 2015 1:20:45 GMT -6
Received the tan x tan today. It looks like they've either A, run out of the pink houndstooth, or B, someone doesn't know the difference between that fabric and plain ol pink canvas. To wrap up the negatives, I didn't receive contrasting color barracks as requested, but this isn't a big surprise since this was identified as one of the sticking points lawless was apparently going to stop conceding to. They did take into account changes I requested later the same week that I put in the order. The fit is exactly what I was looking for, and these slim straights fit me very similar to my slim Gustin. Ordered a 35" waist, and minimal stretch is going to be required out of the denim. I love the texture far more than the color on the tan x tan, so I'm still thinking of an overdye, but these will probably be a nice color come summer. The construction is spot-on, though they're gonna get a more thorough inspection here in a bit. I am going to reach out to them over the pocket bags, though I'm largely very satisfied. I'm going to need to give them a day or so of wear before I can really evaluate the fit, but it initially feels pretty good, maybe a little nicer fit than fresh out of the bag gustins. Edit: will provide some pics later. One thing. The Lawless buttons are small, and I'm not a fan of it. They look great, but don't feel right to me -- they are most definitely adequate, but the feel of them is a step down from the hardware Gustin uses (when it's applied properly), though I will say I like the Lawless rivets better. Here's some pictures of tan x tan. They are a bit washed out, but this is a very light fabric, and probably destined for a dye job once I get them worn in a bit. "I told you so" Pink (this is seriously strawberry ice cream):  A better pic of the fly detailing, very nicely done:  Cuff detail (very accurate color representation), also shows how clean the workmanship is for most of this pair:  Patch and back pocket:  I don't know if this picture really has anything to offer:  I can see why you might've asked for the pink houndstooth pocket-bags, but when they either ran out of it or just decided to go with something else anyway, why would anyone reach for that candy-floss coloured stuff? There are some truly bizarre things going on at LD. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 16:58:16 GMT -6
Received Order #133 (Nov 2 order) for 2 Omaha Workshirts ( gallery) 
 Kaihara Large Slim Fit Omaha workshirt. The shirt is spot on as far as sizing and details specified on the order. They made the requested change from XL to L and noted it on the order and included all the notes associated with the order on the shipping contents. The only thing that was not as specified was two button cuff on the Kaihara instead of one, but now I actually wish I had done two buttons on the Niphon Menpu. Pockets are lined and on the Kaihara they lined the armhole seems as well.
 Niphon Menpu Large Slim Fit Omaha workshirt. 
Having never owned or worn a raw denim shirt I can't tell if the neck/shoulder slope is as it should be and will fit my body better after some break in or if it is a little higher than it should be. At the moment the collar stands away from the back of my neck and when I sit there is a gap of a couple inches and the collar hits me at the base of my skull. I am going to give both shirts a cold wash tonight and a low cycle in the dryer to see if that softens them up. Also, the cuff opening seems to be a little larger on the Niphon Menpu than the Kaihara. I didn't snag a measurement before washing, but there was more room around my watch and fit bit in the Niphon Menpu. Both were large enough for me to wear a watch comfortably and the forearms were not tight in the least. Both of these denims are FANTASTIC! I wish I had gotten a pair of jeans in the Kaihara. Right now I'm think pairing the Kaihara with a pair of black jeans and the Niphon Menpu with my Gustin Grey x Grey. They are paired with my Gustin Zims in the photos. |
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Post by goon on Mar 12, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -6
jbreitenbucher what is your chest size if you don't mind me asking? I have an XL slim on the way and may want to change it. Shirts look great btw
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 17:08:43 GMT -6
Received Order #133 (Nov 2 order) for 2 Omaha Workshirts ( gallery) Both of these denims are FANTASTIC! I wish I had gotten a pair of jeans in the Kaihara. Right now I'm think pairing the Kaihara with a pair of black jeans and the Niphon Menpu with my Gustin Grey x Grey. They are paired with my Gustin Zims in the photos. Blacking out the X seems to be standard practice over there, though you should probably take some measurements on it to see if it lines up with the L fit guide (it may be an XL and you're just actually an XL). Those look great, I really like the grey. My shirt is actually a Slim XL so i didn't get any blacked out X's. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 17:20:18 GMT -6
goon Sure thing: Neck: 15.5 Chest: 41 Shoulders: 18 Sleeves: 25 Wrist: 9.5 (around watch) Upper arm: 13.5 Arm hole: 20.5 Front length: 19.5 Back length: 20.5 and I had Sal note these measurements on the order. It looked like there was about 3 inches or so of space when I pulled the shirt away at the chest, which would put the chest at around 44 (as per size guide). The sleeves are probably 25.5 to allow for shrink, but the rest of the measurements would seem to fall within the size guidelines for a Large Slim Fit. exophobe the gallery shows a photo of the tag and it is not a crossed out X to get a large.
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Post by pdxvegan on Mar 12, 2015 17:22:07 GMT -6
And your height please! I have some large slim shirts coming someday and at 6'3 I'm worried about them being too short.
You're too quick, thanks!
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 17:30:31 GMT -6
pdxvegan I'm between 5 ft 10 in and 5 ft 11 in. I think they are at the extreme of acceptable length on me hitting just above the bottom of my fly. Conventional wisdom would have the length somewhere between the bottom of the fly and the middle of the fly, but closer to the middle. And my weight is 170 and waist is between 33.5 and 35 depending on rise and hips are 40.
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Post by goon on Mar 12, 2015 17:32:43 GMT -6
goon Sure thing: Neck: 15.5 Chest: 41 Shoulders: 18 Sleeves: 25 Wrist: 9.5 (around watch) Upper arm: 13.5 Arm hole: 20.5 Front length: 19.5 Back length: 20.5 and I had Sal note these measurements on the order. It looked like there was about 3 inches or so of space when I pulled the shirt away at the chest, which would put the chest at around 44 (as per size guide). The sleeves are probably 25.5 to allow for shrink, but the rest of the measurements would seem to fall within the size guidelines for a Large Slim Fit. exophobe the gallery shows a photo of the tag and it is not a crossed out X to get a large. Thanks, I think I'll stick to the XL slim, have a 43 inch chest and want to wear it more as a shirt jacket. |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 18:39:11 GMT -6
goon Sure thing: Neck: 15.5 Chest: 41 Shoulders: 18 Sleeves: 25 Wrist: 9.5 (around watch) Upper arm: 13.5 Arm hole: 20.5 Front length: 19.5 Back length: 20.5 and I had Sal note these measurements on the order. It looked like there was about 3 inches or so of space when I pulled the shirt away at the chest, which would put the chest at around 44 (as per size guide). The sleeves are probably 25.5 to allow for shrink, but the rest of the measurements would seem to fall within the size guidelines for a Large Slim Fit. exophobe the gallery shows a photo of the tag and it is not a crossed out X to get a large. This tag most definitely has a blacked out X:  |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 18:49:00 GMT -6
exophobe just noticed that when washing, but it does not change the fact that the fit is that of a large. There is no way it is an XL Slim as the fit in the chest, shoulder, and waist would be way bigger than what I have. I don't know if they didn't have a L tag on hand or what, but it is definitely a L and not an XL.
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Post by Old26 on Mar 12, 2015 18:53:45 GMT -6
goon Sure thing: Neck: 15.5 Chest: 41 Shoulders: 18 Sleeves: 25 Wrist: 9.5 (around watch) Upper arm: 13.5 Arm hole: 20.5 Front length: 19.5 Back length: 20.5 and I had Sal note these measurements on the order. It looked like there was about 3 inches or so of space when I pulled the shirt away at the chest, which would put the chest at around 44 (as per size guide). The sleeves are probably 25.5 to allow for shrink, but the rest of the measurements would seem to fall within the size guidelines for a Large Slim Fit. exophobe the gallery shows a photo of the tag and it is not a crossed out X to get a large. This tag most definitely has a blacked out X: If the vendor (LD in this case) contacted me and said "hey, we f!@ked up. We put in the wrong tag into your item. Would that bother you? The size is right, but the tag is wrong. We'll offer you 20% off your next order - would that be cool?" I'd say f!@k the tag, that's OK with me. I don't even need the discount. Jacket makers (mostly bespoke) are well known for tags that don't match a true size based on what people think - i.e., vanity sizing. I've had a few jackets like that - nobody who knows shit buys jackets by the tags. So again, it's about character here - and these coverups (x2) are complete and utter bullshit. </rant> |
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Post by ickes on Mar 12, 2015 18:57:40 GMT -6
exophobe just noticed that when washing, but it does not change the fact that the fit is that of a large. There is no way it is an XL Slim as the fit in the chest, shoulder, and waist would be way bigger than what I have. I don't know if they didn't have a L tag on hand or what, but it is definitely a L and not an XL. I'm not trying to contribute to a conspiracy theory here JB but that's not true. An XL slim and a Large regular have identical chest and waist measurements per the fit guide. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 19:02:01 GMT -6
Old26 coverups? No coverup in my case. The shirt is sized as a large slim fit and fits me like I expected, so they sent me what I ordered and paid for. Just got done with the wash and dry and there was little if any shrinkage in length or breadth. Sleeves are a little shorter and probably a smidgen over 25 and the collar and shoulders have settled down. I think as the denim breaks in these will be perfect.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 19:04:27 GMT -6
exophobe just noticed that when washing, but it does not change the fact that the fit is that of a large. There is no way it is an XL Slim as the fit in the chest, shoulder, and waist would be way bigger than what I have. I don't know if they didn't have a L tag on hand or what, but it is definitely a L and not an XL. don't get me wrong, man, I'm not trying to put down your shirt. My Lawless in Slim XL isn't getting worn everyday simply because people have already noticed how often I tried to get away with wearing it (and it doesn't go with light jeans that I don't want to turn blue). The important thing is that the darned thing fits, which it does, and whether you think it looks good, which you do. That's really all this is about. Well, and what any lady-friends think of it. Not trying to fan the flames, but, well, Lawless started the fire.  |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 19:10:14 GMT -6
ickes except both of them fit like a Large Slim and the Medium Regular is what matches a Large Slim. I honestly can't tell from the fit chart how a Medium Regular is going to differ from a Large Slim. All I know is that neither shirt fits like an XL anything as there would be way more fabric around the chest and waist than I have.
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Post by Old26 on Mar 12, 2015 19:11:19 GMT -6
Old26 coverups? No coverup in my case. The shirt is sized as a large slim fit and fits me like I expected, so they sent me what I ordered and paid for. Just got done with the wash and dry and there was little if any shrinkage in length or breadth. Sleeves are a little shorter and probably a smidgen over 25 and the collar and shoulders have settled down. I think as the denim breaks in these will be perfect. "This tag most definitely has a blacked out X"  |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 19:16:43 GMT -6
Old26 meh, as far as I know they ran low on L tags and rather than leave it as XL or not put a tag they blacked the X out.
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Post by Old26 on Mar 12, 2015 19:18:32 GMT -6
Old26 meh, as far as I know they ran low on L tags and rather than leave it as XL or not put a tag they blacked the X out. Not going to tell you how to react. Me, at this point I'd send it back because it's shit for business sense. Sorry, but this has me riled up today. More disappointed than anything... |
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Post by oatwilly on Mar 12, 2015 19:24:10 GMT -6
goon Sure thing: Neck: 15.5 Chest: 41 Shoulders: 18 Sleeves: 25 Wrist: 9.5 (around watch) Upper arm: 13.5 Arm hole: 20.5 Front length: 19.5 Back length: 20.5 and I had Sal note these measurements on the order. It looked like there was about 3 inches or so of space when I pulled the shirt away at the chest, which would put the chest at around 44 (as per size guide). The sleeves are probably 25.5 to allow for shrink, but the rest of the measurements would seem to fall within the size guidelines for a Large Slim Fit. exophobe the gallery shows a photo of the tag and it is not a crossed out X to get a large. 18" shoulders is not what they have on their size chart for a L |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Mar 12, 2015 20:21:32 GMT -6
oatwilly correct. Those are my actual measurements and not the measurements of the shirts I received.
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Post by Winterland on Mar 12, 2015 22:44:01 GMT -6
Received my 1 x 8.5 oz. Japanese Dark Indigo Chambray Shirt (Shirt Style: Montana, Fit: Slim, Size: Small, Thread Color: Egyptian Topez, Button: Black Button Snap, Snaps on Cuff: Two) ORDER #118 2nd Nov I will say I love the material. After wearing my Lawless 14oz IxI and Iron Heart IHSH-08ss 16oz all winter the fabric feels like velvet. Everything is as ordered. The measurements are a little off from the chart but most of the differences are better for my sizing. My other shirts I ordered shorter than spec as I don't like untucked to be too long. I will be tucking this shirt so am fine with it long. Front correct Back +1 7/8 Shoulders -.5 Sleeve + 1.5 Chest +.75 wish this was on spec Waist +1 wish this was on spec. I will give it a warm wash and a dryer dry as this is not the kind of fabric I am wanting cool fades. A little shrinkage will be ok. I will measure after. The shirt feels great on me and I love the topez thread and black buttons. The only thing bothering me is the pocket size and placement. My pictures show my Lawless IxI and Iron Heart shirt which you can see has bigger pockets. I did special order the Lawless IxI to have pockets like the Iron Heart. I didn't realize the stock Montana pockets were so small. I also think the pockets should be positioned more toward the center. I am curious on others opinions as they just look off to me. Of course I am used to the other pockets and placement. Even though most western shirts seem to have pockets centered more. I would like to see other Montana shirts as the website picture seems to show the pockets centered more compared to mine, maybe even bigger. Not sure if it is worth sending back because of this. Will see if it bugs me. The smaller pockets I can live with even though I think bigger would be better. Opinions? Overall am glad I chose this fabric and there is no doubt this shirt is worth more than the $65 I paid. I would say worth double and more for a comparable shirt of this quality especially made in the USA. Yes we know Lawless orders are taking longer than expected and some orders have mistakes, but I still think it is worth the inconvenience at this price. My chambray shirt  My LD IxI and chambray shirt  My chambray shirt fit not pic. Not a very good picture  Montana website pic.  |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 23:06:16 GMT -6
I think I'd have to see it on you. The smaller pockets will give a longer torso look. That may be good or bad.
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Post by ickes on Mar 12, 2015 23:11:31 GMT -6
Winterland, they are definitely small and too far apart. I dont dig it, I would send it back. I didnt notice that on my shirts; imgur.com/a/lrUInon second thought, mine do look a bit small and far apart...huh...maybe it's just me
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Post by wdw on Mar 12, 2015 23:16:52 GMT -6
Yeah, winterland, that reminds me of my Ciano jeans pockets, too wide and too small.
If you have doubts from the start, it'll never get better and you'll probably end up not wearing it.
Better to bite the bullet and wait a few more weeks for a replacement that works for you.
LD can sent it to someone else further down the line and make them happy with a quick delivery.
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Post by wisdom on Mar 13, 2015 0:22:42 GMT -6
Yeah, winterland, that reminds me of my Ciano jeans pockets, too wide and too small. If you have doubts from the start, it'll never get better and you'll probably end up not wearing it. Better to bite the bullet and wait a few more weeks for a replacement that works for you. LD can sent it to someone else further down the line and make them happy with a quick delivery. Almost looks like they sewed the wrong pockets on that guy.. they're noticeably smaller than both the example pic and the comparison pic. I think the look is a matter of taste, but the product doesn't seem to meet the expectations that the description and example give. If I didn't like the look, I'd probably send 'em back, but I don't mind the look all that much so would probably keep 'em. |
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