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Post by wisdom on Feb 28, 2015 21:55:43 GMT -6
I must have puny forearms because I think the armholes on my shirt are too big. I even requested to have 1" tighter on my upcoming order Is this a new-site shirt? Maybe they changed the forearm dimensions.. you look like a pretty big dude. |
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Post by bigblack on Feb 28, 2015 22:59:33 GMT -6
I must have puny forearms because I think the armholes on my shirt are too big. I even requested to have 1" tighter on my upcoming order Is this a new-site shirt? Maybe they changed the forearm dimensions.. you look like a pretty big dude. Naw, it was an old site order that I ordered in October. My Gustin WS is about the same diameter. Hopefully they didn't tighten up the arm holes from old site orders to new site orders then I would be f!@ked. But I had mentioned that my arms are skinny for my body. I don't fill out any of my sweatshirts or hoodies. The armhole diameter on my XXL slim is 5.5". My XL slim uniqlo shirt has a diameter of 4.5" but the shirts fit the same |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 23:41:49 GMT -6
curls for the girls, brah
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Post by Winterland on Mar 1, 2015 0:11:14 GMT -6
It's here! Arlington, 8.5oz Japanese Dark Indigo Chambray, dark green stitching, aqua green snaps. Slim XL.  Craft: Shirt is great, fabric is crazy on the soft and thick axes. From the pic I see a little bit of bunching in the collar, and there is some slight stitching anomaly through there. It's not visible with the shirt on, and you have to look close and care to find it in the first place. No pocket lining -- I think they're determining whether or not they do this based on fabric weight. I'm not bummed about this as they would have been quite three dimensional with a canvas liner. Stitching is pretty darn straight, and you can only find a few minor issues with it if you get downright nit-picky, certainly nothing that stands out as a flaw. Fit: There have been many concerns about the forearm, and I have to say that I don't have any issues here, but I'm also not well-endowed in the forearm department. This fit is similar to most other shirts I have, only issue I can take with it is that the sleeves are maybe 1-2" too long for me, but it doesn't bother me at all. To put this simply, I'm not going to be requesting a sizing change for my other pending shirt order. Very happy with this shirt, looking forward to the next one. Once they're to a point where they aren't operating at such a backlog, I would not hesitate to recommend Lawless Denim for shirts, we'll see how it goes with the jeans here in (hopefully) the next couple weeks. I have this fabric coming also. It does look dark. I bet the sleeves will be fine with some wear. They should crease up a little and shorten some. Also a soak warm or cold depending on how much you want to bring things in a little can be good. You will have to post some fit pics. |
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Post by Winterland on Mar 1, 2015 0:16:21 GMT -6
Well received my first pair of lawless denim. 1 x 18.5 oz. Kuroki Mills Indigo Selvedge Men's Jeans (Fit: Straight Leg, Waist: 36, Inseam (inches): 31, Hardware: Copper, Thread Color: Egyptian Topez, Denim Tag: Eagle w/ Shield, Jeans Fly: Button Fly, Pocket Liner: Pink houndstooth Canvas, Chain-Stitch Hem: Single Chain-Stitch Hem) For the record this is the same exact fabric as Gustin super heavies. Which is a good thing. Waist sewed a tad small 17.5" so 35" instead of 36. This is fine for me becuase I have a smaller waist but bigger legs. Which is why I have a hard time getting my fit dialed in. Construction is spot on. Not a huge fan of the triple topaz stitching on the inseam of the leg I like 1 or 2 lines better. Inseam is 33.5" I wanted a 31" I assume they are accounting for shrinkage? either way in not too upset. Doesn't look bad stacks nicely. The bad..... Pocket bags are not pink houndstooth. They are just pink. Like a weird pink too. The eagle patch is sweet but it's sewed in upside down. The eagle is on it's head. Order was on 11/2/14 and received it today 2/28/15. Not horrible Verdict: For the price 50% off they are the best jeans I've bought bang for your buck. Small mistakes. Apparently Lawless has a problem with the hardware/accessories. My shirts snaps were different and my pocket bags are different. I would like some communication with changes. I guess this is why they are limited the customized offering makes sense. Solid B+! Thanks for the review. We do need a pic of that eagle. |
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Post by wisdom on Mar 1, 2015 3:26:29 GMT -6
It's here! Arlington, 8.5oz Japanese Dark Indigo Chambray, dark green stitching, aqua green snaps. Slim XL. Craft: Shirt is great, fabric is crazy on the soft and thick axes. From the pic I see a little bit of bunching in the collar, and there is some slight stitching anomaly through there. It's not visible with the shirt on, and you have to look close and care to find it in the first place. No pocket lining -- I think they're determining whether or not they do this based on fabric weight. I'm not bummed about this as they would have been quite three dimensional with a canvas liner. Stitching is pretty darn straight, and you can only find a few minor issues with it if you get downright nit-picky, certainly nothing that stands out as a flaw. Fit: There have been many concerns about the forearm, and I have to say that I don't have any issues here, but I'm also not well-endowed in the forearm department. This fit is similar to most other shirts I have, only issue I can take with it is that the sleeves are maybe 1-2" too long for me, but it doesn't bother me at all. To put this simply, I'm not going to be requesting a sizing change for my other pending shirt order. Very happy with this shirt, looking forward to the next one. Once they're to a point where they aren't operating at such a backlog, I would not hesitate to recommend Lawless Denim for shirts, we'll see how it goes with the jeans here in (hopefully) the next couple weeks. That composition is really nice.. the green on indigo looks sharp and the stitching really pops. I guess at the price-point, it's a little less risky to experiment around, but this one came out pretty sweet. |
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Post by Griffin on Mar 1, 2015 4:01:05 GMT -6
I believe we are talking about 2 different things here. bigblack is talking about the "armholes" What many others are conserned about (i think) is the fact that the shirts are tight on the wrist/underarm area, thus creating a problem if you want to fold or doubblefold the cuff and then scrunch it above the elbow. This is not possible on my LD shirt and its actually a huge deal for me since I do this very very often. I usually start out fully snapped out but sometime during the day I will find myself either inside a warmer room or have walked for a bit and stopped for coffey and need to take up the arms. Now with a heavy shirt there will always be an undershirt (gustin t-shirt?) so with snaps its an easy option to just remove the shirt. Personally Im waiting to see if the new site shirt-orders are better. So exophobe maybe you can clarify, is it a new-shirt pattern and can you roll and scrunch up the arms?  |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 1, 2015 9:48:36 GMT -6
I will get a picture of the patch.
Lawless large regular can't fit my 13" forearms which are farm from a massive forearm but are a bit large.
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Post by univibe88 on Mar 1, 2015 10:34:16 GMT -6
I will get a picture of the patch. Lawless large regular can't fit my 13" forearms which are farm from a massive forearm but are a bit large. That upside down patch is a rare collectors item! It will be worth thousands!!! |
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Post by ickes on Mar 1, 2015 10:54:06 GMT -6
I will get a picture of the patch. Lawless large regular can't fit my 13" forearms which are farm from a massive forearm but are a bit large. My forearms are 12 1/4" so hopefully my 3 LD shirts I have coming will be good. I went Large Slim. The Large shirt I sold was too tight on my forearms though but I'm hoping it was out of spec. |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 1, 2015 11:11:53 GMT -6
What many others are conserned about (i think) is the fact that the shirts are tight on the wrist/underarm area, thus creating a problem if you want to fold or doubblefold the cuff and then scrunch it above the elbow. This is not possible on my LD shirt and its actually a huge deal for me since I do this very very often. I usually start out fully snapped out but sometime during the day I will find myself either inside a warmer room or have walked for a bit and stopped for coffey and need to take up the arms. Personally Im waiting to see if the new site shirt-orders are better. So exophobe maybe you can clarify, is it a new-shirt pattern and can you roll and scrunch up the arms? I took out some bits of the original post. This is a new-site, Slim XL Arlington, no changes in sizing requested. I can easily roll twice and push up over my elbow, though I will say that gets a little tight once over the elbow. Third roll gets a bit unwieldy but can be done with some care. Keep in mind, though, this is the slim cut, so I would expect that it's a bit tighter throughout than a Classic or Regular cut. Honestly, this fits just about exactly the same as my Gustin Slim XL workshirt. Love the aqua green snaps, though they might look strange once the indigo starts to fall out of the shirt. |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 1, 2015 11:33:42 GMT -6
I will get a picture of the patch. Lawless large regular can't fit my 13" forearms which are farm from a massive forearm but are a bit large. My forearms are 12 1/4" so hopefully my 3 LD shirts I have coming will be good. I went Large Slim. The Large shirt I sold was too tight on my forearms though but I'm hoping it was out of spec. Man I would think the slim will be even tighter in the forearms. |
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Post by jray on Mar 1, 2015 12:09:24 GMT -6
I think it's funny that all of you talking about your forearms insist your right and left are the same size |
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Post by univibe88 on Mar 1, 2015 15:01:26 GMT -6
What many others are conserned about (i think) is the fact that the shirts are tight on the wrist/underarm area, thus creating a problem if you want to fold or doubblefold the cuff and then scrunch it above the elbow. This is not possible on my LD shirt and its actually a huge deal for me since I do this very very often. I usually start out fully snapped out but sometime during the day I will find myself either inside a warmer room or have walked for a bit and stopped for coffey and need to take up the arms. Personally Im waiting to see if the new site shirt-orders are better. So exophobe maybe you can clarify, is it a new-shirt pattern and can you roll and scrunch up the arms? I took out some bits of the original post. This is a new-site, Slim XL Arlington, no changes in sizing requested. I can easily roll twice and push up over my elbow, though I will say that gets a little tight once over the elbow. Third roll gets a bit unwieldy but can be done with some care. Keep in mind, though, this is the slim cut, so I would expect that it's a bit tighter throughout than a Classic or Regular cut. Honestly, this fits just about exactly the same as my Gustin Slim XL workshirt. Love the aqua green snaps, though they might look strange once the indigo starts to fall out of the shirt. Would you mind sharing your true chest, waist and height measurements? I have an XL slim on order and just can't convince myself it's the right size Thanks! |
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Post by wisdom on Mar 1, 2015 19:07:54 GMT -6
What many others are conserned about (i think) is the fact that the shirts are tight on the wrist/underarm area, thus creating a problem if you want to fold or doubblefold the cuff and then scrunch it above the elbow. This is not possible on my LD shirt and its actually a huge deal for me since I do this very very often. I usually start out fully snapped out but sometime during the day I will find myself either inside a warmer room or have walked for a bit and stopped for coffey and need to take up the arms. Personally Im waiting to see if the new site shirt-orders are better. So exophobe maybe you can clarify, is it a new-shirt pattern and can you roll and scrunch up the arms? I took out some bits of the original post. This is a new-site, Slim XL Arlington, no changes in sizing requested. I can easily roll twice and push up over my elbow, though I will say that gets a little tight once over the elbow. Third roll gets a bit unwieldy but can be done with some care. Keep in mind, though, this is the slim cut, so I would expect that it's a bit tighter throughout than a Classic or Regular cut. Honestly, this fits just about exactly the same as my Gustin Slim XL workshirt. Love the aqua green snaps, though they might look strange once the indigo starts to fall out of the shirt. This is something someone from Lawless could clear up real quick. It's either the same as the old site or roomier (or, I guess smaller is possible, too). In the earlier days, when the back pocket size issue was discussed, it was made clear that new-site orders would have larger back pockets by Lawless and that ended the discussion. If I were in the states, I'd be able to do a one-to-one comparison.. does anyone have both an old-site and new-site shirt they can use to compare sleeves? |
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Post by wisdom on Mar 2, 2015 17:51:38 GMT -6
Actually.. maybe @wils can get his tailor to make the workshirts into short sleeve versions and document the hope, fear, and anguish for all of us here |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 9, 2015 20:16:09 GMT -6
Received the tan x tan today. It looks like they've either A, run out of the pink houndstooth, or B, someone doesn't know the difference between that fabric and plain ol pink canvas. To wrap up the negatives, I didn't receive contrasting color barracks as requested, but this isn't a big surprise since this was identified as one of the sticking points lawless was apparently going to stop conceding to. They did take into account changes I requested later the same week that I put in the order.
The fit is exactly what I was looking for, and these slim straights fit me very similar to my slim Gustin. Ordered a 35" waist, and minimal stretch is going to be required out of the denim. I love the texture far more than the color on the tan x tan, so I'm still thinking of an overdye, but these will probably be a nice color come summer.
The construction is spot-on, though they're gonna get a more thorough inspection here in a bit. I am going to reach out to them over the pocket bags, though I'm largely very satisfied. I'm going to need to give them a day or so of wear before I can really evaluate the fit, but it initially feels pretty good, maybe a little nicer fit than fresh out of the bag gustins.
Edit: will provide some pics later.
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Post by ickes on Mar 9, 2015 23:28:14 GMT -6
BTW, I forgot to mention that I performed a little experiment during my LD shirt fiasco. I mentioned that the forearms on the XL Regular fits I received were tight (as others have mentioned) so I decided to measure the forearms on six shirts out of my closet that all fit me very well from different makers. I measured Gustin, Taylor Stitch, and Patagonia shirts at a point six inches up from the top of the cuff and compared them to the measurements on my XL LD shirts at the exact same spot on the sleeves.
My conclusion; The LD shirts in an XL Regular measured six inches across the forearm while all of my other shirts measured right around 6 1/2 inches at the same point. The shirts I measured from Taylor Stitch and Patagonia were Mediums and Larges, and the Gustin shirt I measured was an XL classic although is sewed up closer to a Large.
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 10, 2015 5:38:17 GMT -6
I also had the pink houndstooth fabric but they just gave me pink.
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Post by Mattbert on Mar 10, 2015 5:52:05 GMT -6
BTW, I forgot to mention that I performed a little experiment during my LD shirt fiasco. I mentioned that the forearms on the XL Regular fits I received were tight (as others have mentioned) so I decided to measure the forearms on six shirts out of my closet that all fit me very well from different makers. I measured Gustin, Taylor Stitch, and Patagonia shirts at a point six inches up from the top of the cuff and compared them to the measurements on my XL LD shirts at the exact same spot on the sleeves. My conclusion; The LD shirts in an XL Regular measured six inches across the forearm while all of my other shirts measured right around 6 1/2 inches at the same point. The shirts I measured from Taylor Stitch and Patagonia were Mediums and Larges, and the Gustin shirt I measured was an XL classic although is sewed up closer to a Large. Data is a good thing; so much more useful for making decisions than "it's too tight". Thanks, brah! |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 10, 2015 15:12:27 GMT -6
I found the fit in the arms very odd. Tight forearms but the biceps weren't. Kinda fit like the Seinfeld puffy shirt.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 10, 2015 20:13:36 GMT -6
Received the tan x tan today. It looks like they've either A, run out of the pink houndstooth, or B, someone doesn't know the difference between that fabric and plain ol pink canvas. To wrap up the negatives, I didn't receive contrasting color barracks as requested, but this isn't a big surprise since this was identified as one of the sticking points lawless was apparently going to stop conceding to. They did take into account changes I requested later the same week that I put in the order. The fit is exactly what I was looking for, and these slim straights fit me very similar to my slim Gustin. Ordered a 35" waist, and minimal stretch is going to be required out of the denim. I love the texture far more than the color on the tan x tan, so I'm still thinking of an overdye, but these will probably be a nice color come summer. The construction is spot-on, though they're gonna get a more thorough inspection here in a bit. I am going to reach out to them over the pocket bags, though I'm largely very satisfied. I'm going to need to give them a day or so of wear before I can really evaluate the fit, but it initially feels pretty good, maybe a little nicer fit than fresh out of the bag gustins. Edit: will provide some pics later. One thing. The Lawless buttons are small, and I'm not a fan of it. They look great, but don't feel right to me -- they are most definitely adequate, but the feel of them is a step down from the hardware Gustin uses (when it's applied properly), though I will say I like the Lawless rivets better. Here's some pictures of tan x tan. They are a bit washed out, but this is a very light fabric, and probably destined for a dye job once I get them worn in a bit. "I told you so" Pink (this is seriously strawberry ice cream):  A better pic of the fly detailing, very nicely done:  Cuff detail (very accurate color representation), also shows how clean the workmanship is for most of this pair:  Patch and back pocket:  I don't know if this picture really has anything to offer:  |
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Post by ickes on Mar 10, 2015 22:28:03 GMT -6
exophobe, they look white in the pics. Is that just the lighting or do they look white in real life?
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Post by DigDug on Mar 10, 2015 22:49:46 GMT -6
exophobe, they look white in the pics. Is that just the lighting or do they look white in real life? White!? I see Blue and some Gold! |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 10, 2015 22:52:04 GMT -6
exophobe, they look white in the pics. Is that just the lighting or do they look white in real life? They're definitely not painter white. They seem to be a bit more tan than the pictures I've seen of the cone natural denim, but they're definitely very light. I think they're likely to take to dye very well -- I'm gonna give them a few wears and see how I feel about the look. I was hoping for something darker, but like I said, they're probably a good summer color. |
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