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Post by oatwilly on Jan 18, 2015 12:53:20 GMT -6
I'm with you on that. I sit for a living, and nothing's worst than jeans cutting into my gut all day. Among other things, it gives me intense gas pains which makes my stomach bloat making it all worst. What I DON'T want are jeans that make me just dying to get out of them after a couple hours. Then yes, if too loose and needing to cinch them with a belt makes them look like pleated mom jeans, no thanks.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 18, 2015 13:09:48 GMT -6
I'm with you on that. I sit for a living, and nothing's worst than jeans cutting into my gut all day. Among other things, it gives me intense gas pains which makes my stomach bloat making it all worst. What I DON'T want are jeans that make me just dying to get out of them after a couple hours. Then yes, if too loose and needing to cinch them with a belt makes them look like pleated mom jeans, no thanks. Pleated dad jeans aren't any better. Man I'm glad pleats didn't catch on again a year or so ago when they re-surged. |
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Post by jbcoulier on Jan 18, 2015 14:16:28 GMT -6
Seriously guys, you might need to tame it. I don't want to be uncool but some people here will be noobs and may not be as good with our denim irony. In all seriousness, we may even get some poor kid to go back and change his order to CUT OUT the pleats. Kidding aside then, for the newbies: that is the whole point of the LD custom thing. As many many others have said on here and countless other forums -- if there aren't pleats then you're not wearing true selvedge jeans. The more pleats, the better, basically. Old26 managed to fit, yeah, you guessed it: 26 pleats on a pair of Gs, and that's no lie. Pleat-fades are the difference between the novice and the baptized, and everything else including fit is a f*cking smoke screen. OK, sorry for spoiling the sarcastic fun here (we've all done it!) but I'm just trying not to alienate everyone who's new here with all the conflicting messages! And if you can't see the Pleat Thread on here then email the administrators, because they're cutting you out! OK, there I said it! See if they censor this!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 14:26:01 GMT -6
Seriously guys, you might need to tame it. I don't want to be uncool but some people here will be noobs and may not be as good with our denim irony. In all seriousness, we may even get some poor kid to go back and change his order to CUT OUT the pleats. Kidding aside then, for the newbies: that is the whole point of the LD custom thing. As many many others have said on here and countless other forums -- if there aren't pleats then you're not wearing true selvedge jeans. The more pleats, the better, basically. Old26 managed to fit, yeah, you guessed it: 26 pleats on a pair of Gs, and that's no lie. Pleat-fades are the difference between the novice and the baptized, and everything else including fit is a f*cking smoke screen. OK, sorry for spoiling the sarcastic fun here (we've all done it!) but I'm just trying not to alienate everyone who's new here with all the conflicting messages! And if you can't see the Pleat Thread on here then email the administrators, because they're cutting you out! OK, there I said it! See if they censor this! Aw sh*.. I've been doing it all wrong. I'm going to order 5 LD denims with pleats, one pleat per ounce. Good looks, jb. |
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Post by marauder on Jan 18, 2015 14:47:19 GMT -6
Mattbert, I have to say that I DISCONCUR with your statement regarding the importance of the fit of the waist. To me the fit of the waist is probably the single most important part regarding the comfort of the jean. If its too tight its just too damn uncomfortable. Yeah I've played the stretching game plenty of times but it's not my preference. I feel like I have some serious muffin top going on when they're too tight and sitting down becomes more of a chore than it does an opportunity. It can feel like the waistband is cutting in to my intestines. It makes me feel like "everybody's talking bout my tight pants, bout my tight pants, I got my tight pants on." If the waist is too large it's equally as annoying although admittedly more comfortable than if its too tight. It usually increases the chances of having a saggier ass to the jean. Sure I can wear a belt but then I run the risk if getting some cinching action going on and that is a major pet peeve for me. If the waist don't fit I must acquit! The rest of the jean on the other hand I am much more tolerable with. I can and will rock different types of fits from a slim tapered fit with a lower rise to a straight leg roomier fit with a higher rise. Of course there are tolerances and parameters for everything (I'm not rockin skinny jeans or baggy ass JNCO jeans) but imo the tolerances are smaller in the waist measurement than they are for all the other areas of the jeans. I agree. To me, the waist is the single most important factor in the fit of the jeans. I'm more willing to live with a slightly looser waist than a slightly tight one. A tight waist, especially while sitting, digs in and it's a constant reminder of discomfort. The best fitting jeans are the ones that become a part of you, you don't think about them being there, no matter what activity you are doing. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 18, 2015 15:40:44 GMT -6
I agree (to a point) with the disconcurring voices. But just so we're not arguing against straw men here, I do not believe the waist is unimportant. It's just that for me it is less important than thigh, knee, cuff (i.e. leg fit and taper).
Also, what I'm willing to live with for my waist measurement is actually a fairly narrow band of tolerances in reality. My true waist tends to be about 35.5" to 36" depending on my diet and exercise levels. I've found that my jeans that sewed up with a 35-ish waist will easily stretch 0.5-1" within a day or two, especially the 10-15oz stuff that I favor most of the time. I would not tolerate jeans that dug into my gut and flat out hurt to wear any more than you would; but that's not what something 1" under my true waist size feels like to me. They start out mildly uncomfortable not acutely painful, and they're usually pretty broken in and comfy within 10-20 hours.
At the other end of the spectrum, I would not tolerate big baggy jeans that I have to cinch to keep from falling down; but that's not what something 1" above my true waist size feels like to me. That's more like maybe I could comfortably fit my thumb in between my waist and the waistband of the jeans. Or I could tuck in a heavier shirt like a workshirt or a flannel and that would eat up all the excess. Nothing too extreme here.
Remember, I'm 6'4" and 195 lbs give or take. An inch either side of my 35.5" waist is not as big a deal for me, percentage-wise, as it would be for someone who wears a 30 Slim. The equivalent for someone closer to a 30" true waist size might be more like 0.5" either way would be tolerable, and for someone closer to a 40" true waist it might be that 1.25" or more is pretty okay.
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Post by variable on Jan 18, 2015 19:53:28 GMT -6
I have many wool shirts, and jackets, ie Pendleton, Woolrich, Filson, and never dry clean any of them. I don't like the idea of using solvents the dry cleaners use. I have had great luck with just handwashing them in a sink, tub, or even the washing maching on handwash cycle. The key is to use Woolite, and COLD water. Heat will shrink them, so cold only. Lay flat on a towel, and air dry. Some I've had for 40 years, and they are still like new. So I followed the excellent advice from davelewis and ran my shirt, inside out, through the hand wash cycle of my washer. I didn't use any detergent -- couldn't find my Woolite -- and air dried it on a mesh rack made for drying sweaters and such. It's already feeling a lot softer to the touch, so I guess it was either starch or just needed a good rinse. I did some quick measurements and no shrinkage that I could tell. Thanks! |
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Post by Griffin on Jan 19, 2015 3:20:15 GMT -6
For wool, the detergent is actually equally important as the temperature. I live in wool-country and we know this shit. But it might not be as impiortant for you guys since what happens is that normal detergent destroys the special characteristics the wool has, both the fibers and the fats. So the item will not work as good with keeping you warm and dry.
If I happen to wash my kids wool on 40c instead of 30c, nowdays most wool can take this (not all) but if I hapen to use normal powder, we can just throw the item away...its not gonna be as warm.
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Post by DigDug on Jan 19, 2015 8:41:33 GMT -6
For wool, the detergent is actually equally important as the temperature. I live in wool-country and we know this shit. But it might not be as impiortant for you guys since what happens is that normal detergent destroys the special characteristics the wool has, both the fibers and the fats. So the item will not work as good with keeping you warm and dry. If I happen to wash my kids wool on 40c instead of 30c, nowdays most wool can take this (not all) but if I hapen to use normal powder, we can just throw the item away...its not gonna be as warm. What detergent do you use? |
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Post by Griffin on Jan 19, 2015 9:13:19 GMT -6
I gotta say that i dont know how intact or processed wool for shirts is so this might not aply.
We just have special wool detergent for wool. Milo is the most used but they are all liquid. They are without the enzymes that they claim damages the fibres of wool and silk.
First i wash all clothes with normal detergent and then i wash all wool separately on wool program and with milo and no softener and hang dry warm.
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 19, 2015 13:11:19 GMT -6
I'm ordering all my pants with a high waist, wide leg, pleats. Cinch back and suspender buttons. Only one rear pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 18:07:12 GMT -6
Just picked up the package with the herringbone chino and chore coat. I did a quick fit but did not have a chance to really look at them closely.
Overall, the chino is totally awesome and the fit is perfect. I have size 31 slim taper and the cut is very similair to my size 30 N&F wierd guy.The herringbone fabric is nice and thick. I am totally pumped and I can see many future purchases in fabric such as duck and cotton in this fit and style.
The chore coat looks nice and I like it overall. I don't have any G's jacket but the construction of this coat is very solid. I have the size M and everything fits nicely except the sleeves are a bit tight with my shirt on. As a chore coat, I can also use another inch of length but it is more my preference.
I echo others that I am happy with the purchase and I will take some photos when I have a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 20:58:26 GMT -6
I'm ordering all my pants with a high waist, wide leg, pleats. Cinch back and suspender buttons. Only one rear pocket. I seriously thought about adding a cinch back on my PBJs. They are a bit on the low rise side and the waist is large compared to the thighs and I have former cyclist thighs so I had to size for them when I bought the jeans. Result: I get plumbers crack occasionally, not a good look for a 45 year old male. I was going to use the leftover fabric from getting them hemmed (soon). Now, there is no way. I thought I could hide it under the belt too...I feel such shame for my thoughts now. GET OFF MY LAWN! |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 19, 2015 21:09:52 GMT -6
Damn low rise denim. Grey silks and ixi tend to be a little too low rise and no one likes that.
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 19, 2015 21:49:31 GMT -6
Damn low rise denim. Grey silks and ixi tend to be a little too low rise and no one likes that. It's the whale tail that makes it a bit too much to stomach. Sorry, man. Someone had to say it. #StraightTalk |
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Post by Winterland on Jan 19, 2015 22:14:46 GMT -6
For wool, the detergent is actually equally important as the temperature. I live in wool-country and we know this shit. But it might not be as impiortant for you guys since what happens is that normal detergent destroys the special characteristics the wool has, both the fibers and the fats. So the item will not work as good with keeping you warm and dry. If I happen to wash my kids wool on 40c instead of 30c, nowdays most wool can take this (not all) but if I hapen to use normal powder, we can just throw the item away...its not gonna be as warm. Wool does make a unique fabric. I have quite a few wool items and depending on what they are, each have their own manufacturers suggestions for washing. My Icebreaker shirts can be washed inside out with regular detergent. Airdry. As Griffin mentions though some require special mild detergents. Look at the tag or contact the maker for best results. |
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Post by tarzan on Jan 19, 2015 23:39:33 GMT -6
Just picked up the package with the herringbone chino and chore coat. I did a quick fit but did not have a chance to really look at them closely. Overall, the chino is totally awesome and the fit is perfect. I have size 31 slim taper and the cut is very similair to my size 30 N&F wierd guy.The herringbone fabric is nice and thick. I am totally pumped and I can see many future purchases in fabric such as duck and cotton in this fit and style. The chore coat looks nice and I like it overall. I don't have any G's jacket but the construction of this coat is very solid. I have the size M and everything fits nicely except the sleeves are a bit tight with my shirt on. As a chore coat, I can also use another inch of length but it is more my preference. I echo others that I am happy with the purchase and I will take some photos when I have a chance. Great to hear ! Were the chino measurements per spec? For slim taper I would expect slimmer than WG. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 0:30:49 GMT -6
Just picked up the package with the herringbone chino and chore coat. I did a quick fit but did not have a chance to really look at them closely. Overall, the chino is totally awesome and the fit is perfect. I have size 31 slim taper and the cut is very similair to my size 30 N&F wierd guy.The herringbone fabric is nice and thick. I am totally pumped and I can see many future purchases in fabric such as duck and cotton in this fit and style. The chore coat looks nice and I like it overall. I don't have any G's jacket but the construction of this coat is very solid. I have the size M and everything fits nicely except the sleeves are a bit tight with my shirt on. As a chore coat, I can also use another inch of length but it is more my preference. I echo others that I am happy with the purchase and I will take some photos when I have a chance. Great to hear ! Were the chino measurements per spec? For slim taper I would expect slimmer than WG. I didn't measure the chino since it fits so well but I did with the Chore coat/Utility Jacket. It is extremely close to specs and for people who is thinking about buying it, the Utility Coat is GREAT value, especially with today's discount. However, you need to pay close attention to both Roman's photos and the measurement guide. The coat cut shorter and tighter than the typical chore coat. The sleeves also cut like the shirt sleeves and they are slim. I don't want to hype up LD since I am still waiting for the rest of my order and I am also unsure to buy more now due to ship time. However, if I just look at the price vs. quaility of these two items, they have to be one of my best value purchase on selvedge items for the last two years. I will post photos tomorrow. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 6:53:54 GMT -6
Just picked up the package with the herringbone chino and chore coat. I did a quick fit but did not have a chance to really look at them closely. Overall, the chino is totally awesome and the fit is perfect. I have size 31 slim taper and the cut is very similair to my size 30 N&F wierd guy.The herringbone fabric is nice and thick. I am totally pumped and I can see many future purchases in fabric such as duck and cotton in this fit and style. The chore coat looks nice and I like it overall. I don't have any G's jacket but the construction of this coat is very solid. I have the size M and everything fits nicely except the sleeves are a bit tight with my shirt on. As a chore coat, I can also use another inch of length but it is more my preference. I echo others that I am happy with the purchase and I will take some photos when I have a chance. yeah...pics or it didn't happen. Also, the people request that you post information about the order. When you ordered...order # etc. It is not required, but it might ease a few minds and stoke the fire in others. You have the power, now. Choose wisely. I hear you about the wait time. I am assuming three months...maybe even three months minimum. I also think there is something different about this than with Gustin. Ordering multiple items at once only increases that level of anticipation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 7:41:10 GMT -6
I like the new Lawless site design. Looking more and more professional by the day, still doesn't make the order processing any faster though  |
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Post by Tobesjones on Jan 20, 2015 7:53:49 GMT -6
Just picked up the package with the herringbone chino and chore coat. I did a quick fit but did not have a chance to really look at them closely. Overall, the chino is totally awesome and the fit is perfect. I have size 31 slim taper and the cut is very similair to my size 30 N&F wierd guy.The herringbone fabric is nice and thick. I am totally pumped and I can see many future purchases in fabric such as duck and cotton in this fit and style. The chore coat looks nice and I like it overall. I don't have any G's jacket but the construction of this coat is very solid. I have the size M and everything fits nicely except the sleeves are a bit tight with my shirt on. As a chore coat, I can also use another inch of length but it is more my preference. I echo others that I am happy with the purchase and I will take some photos when I have a chance. yeah...pics or it didn't happen. Also, the people request that you post information about the order. When you ordered...order # etc. It is not required, but it might ease a few minds and stoke the fire in others. You have the power, now. Choose wisely. I hear you about the wait time. I am assuming three months...maybe even three months minimum. I also think there is something different about this than with Gustin. Ordering multiple items at once only increases that level of anticipation. Yes pics! Very intrigued. Mine in that tan should be here any day now. Pics! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 9:39:42 GMT -6
I took some really quick snaps last night and the pictures are beyond bad.... going to post them anyway and probably better than nothing. (the color is off by a mile, so don't use these pictures to decide the color) Overall, I think LD's chino is a total win in my book. The utility jacket construction is totally solid (not Iron Heart solid but probably 80%) but the fit is a bit slimmer than I anticipate. I can totally rock the jacket but my wife thinks it will be better if the jacket has a longer length. I will take some fit photos down the road when I have the opportunity. As I stated earlier, I don't see better value anywhere in this type of quality and fabric (especially with the discount) but the wait time needs to be in consideration when you decide to place a new order after you see my review. I hope the LA factories will make a huge difference on that because the products definitely have potential. Start with the fabric. They are both using the 12 OZ. CANDIANI HERRINGBONE BROWN WEFT (aka Gustin POSTAL HERRINGBONE)  Utility Jacket/Chore Coat - Navy Thread with Silver Buttons (the pockets may look misaligned from the picture but there are not in real life)  Really like the leather patch. Very unique.  I am surprised with the small inside pocket there.  You can clearly see the selvedge ID running along side of the jacket.  My slim fit Chino - Navy thread with white/navy Strip lining, zipper fly, Gun Metal Buttons. Check out the coin pocket. Sweet detail.  I really like the buckle at the back.  I was totally surprised on seeing the navy/white lining at the back of the buckle. I also love the back pocket design. Again, these small details make all the difference than your typical chinos you get from the Gap and other KS.  You can see the pocket lining from here. The fabric is thick and the pockets are in good sizes.  Overall, I am happy with these two items and YES, I will not wear them together. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 10:36:48 GMT -6
I took some really quick snaps last night and the pictures are beyond bad.... going to post them anyway and probably better than nothing. (the color is off by a mile, so don't use these pictures to decide the color) Overall, I think LD's chino is a total win in my book. The utility jacket construction is totally solid (not Iron Heart solid but probably 80%) but the fit is a bit slimmer than I anticipate. I can totally rock the jacket but my wife thinks it will be better if the jacket has a longer length. I will take some fit photos down the road when I have the opportunity. As I stated earlier, I don't see better value anywhere in this type of quality and fabric (especially with the discount) but the wait time needs to be in consideration when you decide to place a new order after you see my review. I hope the LA factories will make a huge difference on that because the products definitely have potential. Start with the fabric. They are both using the 12 OZ. CANDIANI HERRINGBONE BROWN WEFT (aka Gustin POSTAL HERRINGBONE)[br Utility Jacket/Chore Coat - Navy Thread with Silver Buttons (the pockets may look misaligned from the picture but there are not in real life) Really like the leather patch. Very unique. I am surprised with the small inside pocket there. You can clearly see the selvedge ID running along side of the jacket. My slim fit Chino - Navy thread with white/navy Strip lining, zipper fly, Gun Metal Buttons. Check out the coin pocket. Sweet detail. I really like the buckle at the back. I was totally surprised on seeing the navy/white lining at the back of the buckle. I also love the back pocket design. Again, these small details make all the difference than your typical chinos you get from the Gap and other KS. You can see the pocket lining from here. The fabric is thick and the pockets are in good sizes. Overall, I am happy with these two items and YES, I will not wear them together. When did you make this order? |
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Post by Griffin on Jan 20, 2015 11:19:46 GMT -6
and YES, I will not wear them together. Cmon...please..for us? *puppy eyes* Wear them together and please say you also have the gusting postal WS that you can wear underneath  challenge accepted? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 11:25:47 GMT -6
and YES, I will not wear them together. Cmon...please..for us? *puppy eyes* Wear them together and please say you also have the gusting postal WS that you can wear underneath challenge accepted? LOL. sorry.... not going to happened. Wife will not let me get out of the house. |
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