Lawless Reviews

Thanks usctroll.

@david, not sure, that's what we (me and Sal) are trying to figure out. It's definitely a small large if it is indeed a large classic. The tag says Large and that's what I have ordered but the measurements seem off. The length is very short too which is a pet peeve of mine.

not sure yet griffin, waiting to hear back from Sal. I will let you know as soon as I hear back.

I'm just excited to see some KS order reviews. I feel like my LD jeans might come into existence some day

I'm not bitching, I just really want those waxed burgundy stretchy sexy numbers on my GF soon. The 18.5 oz Kurokis for me are right in the weight sweet spot too, the pairs I've seen come out look REALLY good.

I messed up.  I forgot that I ordered a XXXL.  So, I should be good.  In theory and stuff.  

Right, they basically came exactly as originally spec'd on the old website except the shirt size changed to slim large.  I have emails confirming slight adjustments (or updates based on constantly changing detail availability) and those did not happen. I was sure I ordered the gray nihon menpu, but maybe not.  I haven't gotten after them about it yet, still getting over a week of sickness/Christmas/visitors.  

Just let me know what we need to do 

2 things are making me a little nervous...sounds like changes made after orders have been initially placed aren't happening, and that the size chart specs, at least on shirts, are being sort of loosely adhered to. DD, are these items being addressed?

Those of you who have gotten jeans, are they at or close to the website spec sheet?

I would say we are doing our best to make every change possible.  I understand people are experiencing some missed changes but we really make an effort to make sure everyone is getting what they want.  We also are trying to limit the amount of changes people are making to avoid missed changes.  Now with that said the old order system was what had all the issues because it required paper files to be pulled and placed back and then pulled and placed back.  Somewhere in there something could get missed.  I think we can all appreciate why companies have guidelines and this is one of them.  They put a limit as to when something can be changed because after a certain point it gets difficult to keep up or make the change correctly.  We have a disclaimer that says no changes after a certain amount of time to help avoid confusion now.   Those rules really should have been in place from the start but we wanted people to feel things out to dial in fits.  That of course led to changes being made on more than fit.  I don't want to upset anyone and I really do not mind changing orders but it was bound to happen.  I know some may not want to hear that but I knew it would and I think I said it a few times.  I am not saying changes are not being made because I know they are but please understand we received so many it was dominating our day.  For every order that came in 10 changes were made from the previous day and then 20 and 50 before it was literally a few hundred a day  in comparison to a handful of new orders with many of those being 2nd and 3rd change requests.  I would email the shop and say pull this order for this change and then a few hours later say pull that order again and change it back but add this.  This is not an excuse as to why because if it wasn't done then its our own fault and I admit that but I and whomever confirmed the change definitely attempted to add the change to every order.  The old system required Laura or the owner Roman who is handling shipping and calling to confirm KS orders at the time to go find an order to change it.  


With the new website

Every single change gets done by me and gets noted within a short time. As long as they haven't gone to production you have nothing to worry about.  When an order is printed and is in production this is where a change will likely now be denied for requests like I want different buttons or I need heritage stitch which we no longer offer by the way. 


So to answer the question "How are we addressing the missed changes"?  We are limiting what you can change and by how late it will be allowed.  That will free up time and limit any confusion.  The new system also helps prevent any issues because if you send a message and the change is not made you will know it wasn't done. If it is noted or changed you will know its done and confirmed.  That is what we have done and what is in place now but wasn't before

Thanks for the review usctroll - I appreciate the write up and pics. That's a good color. I ordered it to have something that would look good with dark denim. Looking forward to getting this one (and my 3 other shirts). 

I'll definitely wear it with dark denim.  I should also say that the weft is charcoal/black instead of white like I think I said earlier.  I may or may not have been feverish and high on cough syrup at the time.  For that I apologize. 

anyone curious about actual jean measurements. Well, I have 2 pairs and a tape.
One pair is worn so I will not measure it. The other is the unworn 13.5oz Kaihara in a 36/33 straight. I use a soft metric tape...metric is all I can find here. It also helps me be honest. I can't pull or push things to a number I want since I don't know the conversions in my head.
Measuring the waist, flat with the front and back making the best line I can without pulling tight, I got 45 cm (17.7") which works out to 35.4. Tried again, and got around 45.5cm or 17.9". Close enough for me.
Cuff I got 21.5 cm which is 8.4". Measurement on the guide is 8.5"
inseam I got an 86cm which is 33.8"...a little over, but I really like the length of my other pair which also measured an 86cm...so it works for me.
I am not going to run the other measurements since I don't trust myself enough to get them accurately.

Also...note that I measured a 13.5 oz kaihara...I ordered the 10oz kaihara. DOH! All my order stuff was 10oz and the paperwork that came with the jeans said 10oz. Yeah, I am disappoint in myself for not noticing right away. I wanted to believe they were 10oz and just crispy out of the box. Also lawless never had a photo of the 10oz that I know of. Okinawa is sweaty in the summer...and spring...and fall...and sometimes in the winter. This is major bummer...and a rather large mistake.

On the bright side, I have been wearing the 13oz crosshatch slub all week and I really likes them. I even grew to like the heritage stitch on the front pocket...which was discontinued. Also, since they came hemmed from the company, I didn't have to soak them and get them hemmed on my own. That means I can be cool dude denim guy and just go totally raw without an unsightly double cuff.

also, you might have noticed the "paperwork" that came with the jeans. If you are used to Lord Gustin just throwing jeans in a bag without anything else...then you might be surprised like me to get a box with jeans and forms with the details of the jeans...granted, it was totally wrong on one pair. It also might not matter if you are captain selvedge denim with 200 pairs, but I remember getting my first pair of raw denims. Just a bag stuffed with jeans and felt anti-climatic and left me a little confused. No confirmation that it was my order and which order etc (then again, the included paper can lie). Print up a little card with some words "here are jeans. Hope you like. We make them with love" (awwww!) I also hear that Ciano farmer goes as far as putting hang tags on the belt loops like something you would buy at a store. Actually, now I don't care too much, but whatever. Just some input.


so now, we wait and see what is to be done about the mysterious 10oz denims. I am also somehow positive about all of this. I think i am realizing that all these companies just drop the ball a lot. They are all late and they all make a lot of mistakes. And if they are going to sell from a website, they will most likely fulfill orders from that site prior to finishing kickstarter orders (lawless and ciano did that...not sure if Lord Gustin did as well). So it is a level playing field! Hooray?