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Post by jockohomo on Dec 19, 2014 13:11:28 GMT -6
Sal, Lawless Denim's kickstarter campaign was couched in the following terms:
"80k - 62 new machines ($800 ea.) + 2 new cutting tables ($6,000 ea.) + 2 new cutters ($1,500 ea.) + pattern development & grading software ($15,000)"
Since Lawless almost achieved the $80,000 goal I assume you came close to acquiring the machines stated above. How many of the machines have been acquired? I have asked in the past how many seamstresses you have employed and did not get an answer, in the spirit of transparency could you answer my question now?
I won't bore everyone with my past predictions, but I will say things are playing out as I expected. I won't tell you guys how to run your business since there seems to be some real high caliber part timers here that seem to think they have all of the answers. Suffice it to say, sometimes it is better to stop digging. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 13:17:03 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point. But also we cant just stop sales because we are putting the money back into the company. Nothing is going towards anything but growth to enable production to increase. Are we to stop selling to catch up? I do not think u mean that right. We cant stop so we can speed up our production
I do not get why Lawless has to get orders out faster than Gustin who is using factories that are just flat out more expereinced and are staffed better than we are head wise. We cant be everything right now but we can give you the best price you will see. We can do what every other brand does but is that what you want???
When Gustin has an issue they just say something like "we werent happy with the garment so we nixed it and started a new batch or they credit you. We are telling the truth about what happens. But I get it how you want everything done sooner than later. Its just what we are capable to do. I also do not get why Lawless has to produce faster than Gustin??
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 13:18:33 GMT -6
Sal, Lawless Denim's kickstarter campaign was couched in the following terms:
"80k - 62 new machines ($800 ea.) + 2 new cutting tables ($6,000 ea.) + 2 new cutters ($1,500 ea.) + pattern development & grading software ($15,000)"
Since Lawless almost achieved the $80,000 goal I assume you came close to acquiring the machines stated above. How many of the machines have been acquired? I have asked in the past how many seamstresses you have employed and did not get an answer, in the spirit of transparency could you answer my question now?
I won't bore everyone with my past predictions, but I will say things are playing out as I expected. I won't tell you guys how to run your business since there seems to be some real high caliber part timers here that seem to think they have all of the answers. Suffice it to say, sometimes it is better to stop digging. all but we need the heads to use em. You are welcome to ask matt how many sewing machines are in our shop all over the place, including a loom The new jackets and shirts and chino and and and all required new patterns to be made and sized. jockohomo It sounds like you are wishing for us to fail. I have a wife and a daughter that hopes otherwise. I sometimes have trouble understanding people ill wishes for someone else |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 13:23:43 GMT -6
Sal, Lawless Denim's kickstarter campaign was couched in the following terms:
"80k - 62 new machines ($800 ea.) + 2 new cutting tables ($6,000 ea.) + 2 new cutters ($1,500 ea.) + pattern development & grading software ($15,000)"
Since Lawless almost achieved the $80,000 goal I assume you came close to acquiring the machines stated above. How many of the machines have been acquired? I have asked in the past how many seamstresses you have employed and did not get an answer, in the spirit of transparency could you answer my question now?
I won't bore everyone with my past predictions, but I will say things are playing out as I expected. I won't tell you guys how to run your business since there seems to be some real high caliber part timers here that seem to think they have all of the answers. Suffice it to say, sometimes it is better to stop digging. I never mean to not answer a question. We have 18 people that produce the garments with a open door to keep adding to that. Sometimes we have more but it just doesnt work out with them not being able to keep up. This is why we need the LA factory to get off the ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:35:33 GMT -6
I think you are missing the point. But also we cant just stop sales because we are putting the money back into the company. Nothing is going towards anything but growth to enable production to increase. Are we to stop selling to catch up? I do not think u mean that right. We cant stop so we can speed up our production I do not get why Lawless has to get orders out faster than Gustin who is using factories that are just flat out more expereinced and are staffed better than we are head wise. We cant be everything right now but we can give you the best price you will see. We can do what every other brand does but is that what you want??? When Gustin has an issue they just say something like "we werent happy with the garment so we nixed it and started a new batch or they credit you. We are telling the truth about what happens. But I get it how you want everything done sooner than later. Its just what we are capable to do. I also do not get why Lawless has to produce faster than Gustin?? I don't want to put words in anyone else's mouth, but I think some are concerned with the increased number of orders the current 50% off sale might have on your production timelines. Not that you'd have stopped taking orders to catch up, but that another big sale was sure to drive a lot more orders into the queue. I also don't know that anyone has asked for a quicker turnaround than Gustin, but start fretting when the timelines that were communicated by LD are missed. I personally don't compare the timelines between the two, but do start getting anxious when either slip by the expected delivery dates significantly. You'll see the same types of complaints (and speculations) right now on the Gustin threads about their recent delivery slips. As I stands I'm sure things will speed up a bit once the KS and old site orders are complete, but until then I think everyone is looking at a longer turnaround than 8-10 wks. Most of us here have come to realize and accept that, but I'm sure you understand that anxiousness. |
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Post by jockohomo on Dec 19, 2014 13:38:00 GMT -6
Sal, Lawless Denim's kickstarter campaign was couched in the following terms:
"80k - 62 new machines ($800 ea.) + 2 new cutting tables ($6,000 ea.) + 2 new cutters ($1,500 ea.) + pattern development & grading software ($15,000)"
Since Lawless almost achieved the $80,000 goal I assume you came close to acquiring the machines stated above. How many of the machines have been acquired? I have asked in the past how many seamstresses you have employed and did not get an answer, in the spirit of transparency could you answer my question now?
I won't bore everyone with my past predictions, but I will say things are playing out as I expected. I won't tell you guys how to run your business since there seems to be some real high caliber part timers here that seem to think they have all of the answers. Suffice it to say, sometimes it is better to stop digging. I never mean to not answer a question. We have 18 people that produce the garments with a open door to keep adding to that. Sometimes we have more but it just doesnt work out with them not being able to keep up. This is why we need the LA factory to get off the ground. Thanks for the answers, Sal. If I could ask a few follow ups: how many of those 18 (on average) spend their time on jeans production? What is the average number of jeans an individual seamstress can make in a day? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:47:20 GMT -6
Thanks for the answers, Sal. If I could ask a few follow ups: how many of those 18 (on average) spend their time on jeans production? What is the average number of jeans an individual seamstress can make in a day? I don't view your posts as outright trollish as many do, but I'm curious why you'd want to know the specific details of how they staff and operate their production. If it was an attempt to calculate when you might get your goods, perhaps...but I thought you were on a 'wait and see' stance before committing to an order. Would you expect to get the same type of answers regarding staffing and output details from other companies? I'm actually curious, not bashing...but I only see the question as relevant in terms of if they used the KS funds as indicated in that campaign. |
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Post by matt on Dec 19, 2014 13:53:34 GMT -6
I'll chime in as a local who's seen the shop firsthand. As Sal noted, there's been a ton of change just since the Kickstarter. The small boutique shop in trendy downtown Cityscape (downtown Phoenix) is long gone and they're in a building that resembles a factory operation. Much more room for production. The area they had initially set up as an "office/workspace" for Roman, Laura and the operations people got bumped upstairs and that space is now a cutting table and shelving that's housing the rolls of fabric.
They've (LD) begun to implement the aforementioned software upgrades - things we don't see on the front-end, but that will address the KS order processing issues that Sal has mentioned.
One point that hasn't been discussed here and is probably worth noting - the difference between LD and the other fabric shops is how they're not rushing through and half-assing orders just to complete them. Does that drive us all crazy for the extra time? Yes. But look at the goods we got - meticulous quality.
And being able to be local and stop by the shop, I've been able to speak to Sal and Roman about the upgrades in operations, the LA factory operations being essential to help the growth of the business overall. I'm not on here as much as I used to be to report back as frequently, but, Sal is here and Roman chimes in as his schedule permits.
I'm excited for my goods, and yeah, I'm a little impatient, but they've got a ton of orders coming in. I'm not hurting for denim so I try to exercise patience. It's a start-up. We're all in on the ground floor of something good. There will be some growing pains.
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Post by bugula on Dec 19, 2014 13:55:35 GMT -6
I don't want to put words in anyone else's mouth, but I think some are concerned with the increased number of orders the current 50% off sale might have on your production timelines. Not that you'd have stopped taking orders to catch up, but that another big sale was sure to drive a lot more orders into the queue. my concern is that an order i placed in early november has headed to production while half of an order i placed at the end of september hasn't been shipped, nor one that was placed at the beginning of october. it leaves little confidence that things are running smoothly. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 13:58:46 GMT -6
I personally think he is trolling but really is someone like maybe KIYA BABAZANI or someone like that. It just adds up perfectly for me. Trust me i have no problem with people having their doubts but I would like to see him post some photo's of him wearing the Gustin products he says he owns. I could be wrong but it just seams that he is a guy that wouldnt care much about Gustin or LD. His Roy jean thread makes me think this even more because ROY and Selfe Edge are of one
Of course I can be totally wrong but I just have a hunch its some denim brand or store owner like that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:59:59 GMT -6
I never mean to not answer a question. We have 18 people that produce the garments with a open door to keep adding to that. Sometimes we have more but it just doesnt work out with them not being able to keep up. This is why we need the LA factory to get off the ground. Thanks for the answers, Sal. If I could ask a few follow ups: how many of those 18 (on average) spend their time on jeans production? What is the average number of jeans an individual seamstress can make in a day? Sal, sometimes, there are questions that can tie back to one's business operation. Even though Roman and you have been very openly share your company information to members here, there are questions not appropriate to answer on a public forum or anyone outside of the company. I am not going to tell you what those questions are but since we are all hiding behind an avatar, I just want to caution you on sharing trade/operation secrets to competitors. Operation strategy and road map can develop into true competitive advantages going forward for a company and they should never be shared. I am sure you probably are awaring all of these. I just want to state that please don't feel pressure into answer any questions here, just so someone is asking. The members here are all working professional and I am sure everyone has faced questions that are inappropriate to answer and discuss. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 14:09:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the answers, Sal. If I could ask a few follow ups: how many of those 18 (on average) spend their time on jeans production? What is the average number of jeans an individual seamstress can make in a day? Sal, sometimes, there are questions that can tie back to one's business operation. Even though Roman and you have been very openly share your company information to members here, there are questions not appropriate to answer on a public forum or anyone outside of the company. I am not going to tell you what those questions are but since we are all hiding behind an avatar, I just want to caution you on sharing trade/operation secrets to competitors. Operation strategy and road map can develop into a true competitive advantages going forward for a company and they should never be shared. I am sure you probably are awaring all of these. I just want to state that please don't feel pressure into answer any questions here, just so someone is asking. The members here are all working professional and I am sure everyone has faced questions that are inappropriate to answer and discuss. Trust me I know what is going on here. I feek he is looking to break the code as to how we are doing it. I just feel like he is fishy |
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Post by Griffin on Dec 19, 2014 14:12:43 GMT -6
To clarify what I meant:
I dont actually care very much if my order is here in 8 or 15 weeks, aslong as it is well made and the company is working in a nice tempo.
I also think I would rather wait 20 weeks and have my clothes made in the same factory Roman is in, rather then 6 weeks made in another city.
So my basic consern isnt with my shortsighted first order, but actually for the future and I dont mean stop production, Im also in sales and have to be hunting all the time to have an even flow, in in q3-q4 2015 in my planning personally, but basically; I just hope money isnt running out and you need to make 50% sale just to keep everything flowing and then get in a bad circle and have to shut down. If 50% isnt paying the bills (and salary) then there very much break-even (or minus) invested orders right now and I just hope you can come out on top because I really like you, what you offer, how its done, the mentality, and offcourse the style of the clothes. So im supporting you and wont be nagging about when my orders come, and Im not actually conserned as long at it will come eventually. <-important.
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Post by jockohomo on Dec 19, 2014 14:14:48 GMT -6
I personally think he is trolling but really is someone like maybe KIYA BABAZANI or someone like that. It just adds up perfectly for me. Trust me i have no problem with people having their doubts but I would like to see him post some photo's of him wearing the Gustin products he says he owns. I could be wrong but it just seams that he is a guy that wouldnt care much about Gustin or LD. His Roy jean thread makes me think this even more because ROY and Selfe Edge are of one Of course I can be totally wrong but I just have a hunch its some denim brand or store owner like that You guys crack me up! Look at my posts under "hunting," I seriously doubt Kiya or anyone else associated with denim has any f-ing clue what a 600 Nitro Express is.
Getting back to my question, I genuinely would like to order a western style shirt from Lawless as I don't see Gustin ever producing one and my keen sense of value precludes me from turning off my brain and paying the idiotic prices the Japanese brands entail. I just would like to do my own back of the envelope calculation to determine when it might be safe to place an order with Lawless Denim, Co., simple as that. Unfortunately, with the mounting complaints my timeframe just keeps being extended.
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Post by Griffin on Dec 19, 2014 14:22:28 GMT -6
It will never be safe. So nice knowing you, ill see you in the Gustin threads where its so safe.  |
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Post by davelewis on Dec 19, 2014 14:25:37 GMT -6
Expansion for a new company is a good thing, if and when they can handle it, and only when it is positive for the company. It should not be detrimental to current operations, and has to be done in a controlled manner. I would like to take advantage of the sale to year's end, but common sense won't let my buy any more without a handle on current production.
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Post by davelewis on Dec 19, 2014 14:30:10 GMT -6
To clarify what I meant: I dont actually care very much if my order is here in 8 or 15 weeks, aslong as it is well made and the company is working in a nice tempo. I also think I would rather wait 20 weeks and have my clothes made in the same factory Roman is in, rather then 6 weeks made in another city. So my basic consern isnt with my shortsighted first order, but actually for the future and I dont mean stop production, Im also in sales and have to be hunting all the time to have an even flow, in in q3-q4 2015 in my planning personally, but basically; I just hope money isnt running out and you need to make 50% sale just to keep everything flowing and then get in a bad circle and have to shut down. If 50% isnt paying the bills (and salary) then there very much break-even (or minus) invested orders right now and I just hope you can come out on top because I really like you, what you offer, how its done, the mentality, and offcourse the style of the clothes. So im supporting you and wont be nagging about when my orders come, and Im not actually conserned as long at it will come eventually. <-important. I agree that I wouldn't mind waiting 20 weeks, as long as I was told that up front. The issue I have is that it is still saying 4-6 weeks on the website, which isn't feasable. |
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Post by Old26 on Dec 19, 2014 14:30:47 GMT -6
I personally think he is trolling but really is someone like maybe KIYA BABAZANI or someone like that. It just adds up perfectly for me. Trust me i have no problem with people having their doubts but I would like to see him post some photo's of him wearing the Gustin products he says he owns. I could be wrong but it just seams that he is a guy that wouldnt care much about Gustin or LD. His Roy jean thread makes me think this even more because ROY and Selfe Edge are of one Of course I can be totally wrong but I just have a hunch its some denim brand or store owner like that You guys crack me up! Look at my posts under "hunting," I seriously doubt Kiya or anyone else associated with denim has any f-ing clue what a 600 Nitro Express is.
Getting back to my question, I genuinely would like to order a western style shirt from Lawless as I don't see Gustin ever producing one and my keen sense of value precludes me from turning off my brain and paying the idiotic prices the Japanese brands entail. I just would like to do my own back of the envelope calculation to determine when it might be safe to place an order with Lawless Denim, Co., simple as that. Unfortunately, with the mounting complaints my timeframe just keeps being extended.
We all (well, most of us) know the risks with this model. Many of us have been through it with Gustin and other KS brands. What you're doing here though goes beyond that and into baiting. LD have been here since day-one, answering questions and asking for feedback. We have a couple others too - which we love. Gustin OTOH dropped out and has not honored the promise to do so. You frankly have no right to the answers on some of the questions you've asked here of LD, but if they want to answer, they certainly are welcome to. I have one pair of amazing LD denims on. I have a number of amazing denims from Gustin. I have ONE LD shirt on order until I see a steady delivery of items. But I'm not sitting here baiting them at every turn. Either order or don't, but this is the last warning for you. And it's being made publicly so everyone knows what won't stand here going forward. Dialog with vendors is what we want. But if you persist in taunting them - any of them - it's over. Clear? |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 14:36:01 GMT -6
You guys crack me up! Look at my posts under "hunting," I seriously doubt Kiya or anyone else associated with denim has any f-ing clue what a 600 Nitro Express is.
Getting back to my question, I genuinely would like to order a western style shirt from Lawless as I don't see Gustin ever producing one and my keen sense of value precludes me from turning off my brain and paying the idiotic prices the Japanese brands entail. I just would like to do my own back of the envelope calculation to determine when it might be safe to place an order with Lawless Denim, Co., simple as that. Unfortunately, with the mounting complaints my timeframe just keeps being extended.
We all (well, most of us) know the risks with this model. Many of us have been through it with Gustin and other KS brands. What you're doing here though goes beyond that and into baiting. LD have been here since day-one, answering questions and asking for feedback. We have a couple others too - which we love. Gustin OTOH dropped out and has not honored the promise to do so. You frankly have no right to the answers on some of the questions you've asked here of LD, but if they want to answer, they certainly are welcome to. I have one pair of amazing LD denims on. I have a number of amazing denims from Gustin. I have ONE LD shirt on order until I see a steady delivery of items. But I'm not sitting here baiting them at every turn. Either order or don't, but this is the last warning for you. And it's being made publicly so everyone knows what won't stand here going forward. Dialog with vendors is what we want. But if you persist in taunting them - any of them - it's over. Clear? Thank you |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 14:38:43 GMT -6
I forgot to mention when I say $30 jean I mean 1 type of jean just like the $69 option. All our other options will be there the same. The $30 will be more in the line of this is what it is, buy it as is but will also need to be produced like everything else. Its a sort of gimmick really that we make close to nothing on it and to prove a point that here is how low we can go
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Post by Old26 on Dec 19, 2014 14:42:14 GMT -6
Expansion for a new company is a good thing, if and when they can handle it, and only when it is positive for the company. It should not be detrimental to current operations, and has to be done in a controlled manner. I would like to take advantage of the sale to year's end, but common sense won't let my buy any more without a handle on current production. That's how I feel too. I even PMd the guys as much to give my unwanted 2¢ LOL!. I think we all (mostly all) want these brands to succeed. We all have the same interest in what they're doing. But they need to (quickly) find a balance between promises and deliveries. As soon as my Montana shirt arrives, I'll know what the future holds for my LD orders. And that goes for Gustin too (and others here). I can see myself buying more Gustin products, but some things are out for sure. It's like when I am hit at work with clients that want to do 20 things at once. I have to push back on my management and say "Whoa". You can only do so much quality work in so much time, and I am not willing to sacrifice my work and reputation for tossing sh*t out to say I did it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 14:46:46 GMT -6
Sal, I appreciate all the updates and future of the company, but I hope you realize it's very frustrating to hear about the future when they have nothing to do with the current orders on the backlog. As stated a few posts ago, people are irked that they were quoted a 4-6 then 6-8 then 8-10..with no end in sight as it seems.
Keep doing what you're doing, we just hope things smooth out.
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Post by Griffin on Dec 19, 2014 14:54:00 GMT -6
It's like when I am hit at work with clients that want to do 20 things at once. ^This Often its me talking about security in a burning-for-it-way that makes the customer want to do everything, but it ends up into nothing because its too much. Im learning to not do this. Btw we are nearing end of year and my personal sales have gone up times 10 from last year so things are definately looking good. I really need to streamline my own machine from start to finish because its almost getting out of hand (not on each case, but by the number of cases). I hope you all have had good success this year. Sorry for the OT. |
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Post by Old26 on Dec 19, 2014 14:57:12 GMT -6
It's like when I am hit at work with clients that want to do 20 things at once. ^This Often its me talking about security in a burning-for-it-way that makes the customer want to do everything, but it ends up into nothing because its too much. Im learning to not do this. Btw we are nearing end of year and my personal sales have gone up times 10 from last year so things are definately looking good. I really need to streamline my own machine from start to finish because its almost getting out of hand (not on each case, but by the number of cases). I hope you all have had good success this year. Sorry for the OT. One IT guy to another LOL!!. SONY has everyone in a tizzy now, so it's even more important to do things right. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 19, 2014 15:03:55 GMT -6
Sal, I appreciate all the updates and future of the company, but I hope you realize it's very frustrating to hear about the future when they have nothing to do with the current orders on the backlog. As stated a few posts ago, people are irked that they were quoted a 4-6 then 6-8 then 8-10..with no end in sight as it seems. Keep doing what you're doing, we just hope things smooth out. When I speak about anything in the future it is always about the betterment of Lawless. I am not advertising sales in here. I never ever do that. I post what I think you guys would like to know. I also post what I know you guys will not like to hear. But I never spin anything to make you want to invest some more. Im a sales man not a car sales man  |
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