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Post by metals37 on Jun 13, 2015 7:32:31 GMT -6
I suspect that some of the denim offered is 'inferior' whereas some is solid quality. As matt and exophobe stated, some of it is 'buyer beware'. Do some research before backing a specific drop and understand where the fabric might be coming from and what it might be like. I have no idea where they found the fabric and have not seen it anywhere else, but I really hope they can get their hands on more brown x black herringbone to offer in a chino cut. |
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Post by julian on Jun 13, 2015 8:10:20 GMT -6
I suspect the reality is that most of the mills just run stuff that they think will sell and the just hawk it direct and/or through distributors. Ultimately, most mills won't have enough exclusive orders so need to keep producing other fabrics in order to make it viable.
There have been some denim offerings with 'interesting' selvedge IDs that have made me wonder if batches have been turned down by other companies but it's just as likely those companies may not have required as much fabric as they'd initially forecast - or the mills just overproduced deliberately or otherwise.
Gustin offer so many different denims that, by definition, some are going to be better quality than others but it's all horses for courses, really. For example, I wouldn't ever buy any denim that comes it at less than 12oz, but there seems to be a healthy market for fabrics much lighter than that.
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2015 9:18:38 GMT -6
I suspect that some of the denim offered is 'inferior' whereas some is solid quality. As matt and exophobe stated, some of it is 'buyer beware'. Do some research before backing a specific drop and understand where the fabric might be coming from and what it might be like. I have no idea where they found the fabric and have not seen it anywhere else, but I really hope they can get their hands on more brown x black herringbone to offer in a chino cut. Exactly. Having a little more knowledge about the source of the materials isn't a witch hunt against G in the least, it's about this group of smart denim fans doing a little bit more to become smarter denim fans. I'm still buying from Gustin, I merely am doing a little more research into some of the fabrics that have dropped and trying to make a more educated buying decision. I look at their offerings and understand that some are a legit value, while others, they certainly help the bottom line of the business. That's not a conspiracy, that's being an educated consumer. As many have discussed, G has certain expenses it needs to factor in for, they're in business to make a profit. |
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Post by Old26 on Jun 13, 2015 9:27:33 GMT -6
I suspect that some of the denim offered is 'inferior' whereas some is solid quality. As matt and exophobe stated, some of it is 'buyer beware'. Do some research before backing a specific drop and understand where the fabric might be coming from and what it might be like. I have no idea where they found the fabric and have not seen it anywhere else, but I really hope they can get their hands on more brown x black herringbone to offer in a chino cut. Exactly. Having a little more knowledge about the source of the materials isn't a witch hunt against G in the least, it's about this group of smart denim fans doing a little bit more to become smarter denim fans. I'm still buying from Gustin, I merely am doing a little more research into some of the fabrics that have dropped and trying to make a more educated buying decision. I look at their offerings and understand that some are a legit value, while others, they certainly help the bottom line of the business. That's not a conspiracy, that's being an educated consumer. As many have discussed, G has certain expenses it needs to factor in for, they're in business to make a profit. Exactly. You can't say "just like the denims sold elsewhere for over $200" if you don't say what it is. Disingenuous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 9:39:22 GMT -6
I suspect that some of the denim offered is 'inferior' whereas some is solid quality. As matt and exophobe stated, some of it is 'buyer beware'. Do some research before backing a specific drop and understand where the fabric might be coming from and what it might be like. I have no idea where they found the fabric and have not seen it anywhere else, but I really hope they can get their hands on more brown x black herringbone to offer in a chino cut. Exactly. Having a little more knowledge about the source of the materials isn't a witch hunt against G in the least, it's about this group of smart denim fans doing a little bit more to become smarter denim fans. I'm still buying from Gustin, I merely am doing a little more research into some of the fabrics that have dropped and trying to make a more educated buying decision. I look at their offerings and understand that some are a legit value, while others, they certainly help the bottom line of the business. That's not a conspiracy, that's being an educated consumer. As many have discussed, G has certain expenses it needs to factor in for, they're in business to make a profit. If you find some fabrics to be less interesting, then don't buy it? If you bought it because of their "copywrite" and regret it, return it. Is it G's fault for offering the fabrics you regret buying, and you decided to keep them (not you in particular, but some people here)? No one is decrying finding more information and gaining knowledge, and calling it a witch hunt. We just have no proof of the assumptions that is being made. Don't know which mills they're getting fabrics from? Must be cheap mills. Other companies aren't doing the fabrics G does? Must be cheap quality fabrics. I remember when LD opened up their website for business following KS, and when the majority of people who ordered didn't receive their orders, LD went radio silent. Then us, including me, conspiracy theorists came out with why we thought this was happening. It got so out of control that the mods stepped in and put an end to it, stating we need more facts. Assumptions are just that, assumptions, until proven true. Why the assumptions until we find out the facts. The only fact is, G isn't revealing the mills they purchase fabrics from. Are buying decisions educated if they are based off of theories as to why they don't reveal the mills, and not facts? |
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Post by Old26 on Jun 13, 2015 9:52:03 GMT -6
Exactly. Having a little more knowledge about the source of the materials isn't a witch hunt against G in the least, it's about this group of smart denim fans doing a little bit more to become smarter denim fans. I'm still buying from Gustin, I merely am doing a little more research into some of the fabrics that have dropped and trying to make a more educated buying decision. I look at their offerings and understand that some are a legit value, while others, they certainly help the bottom line of the business. That's not a conspiracy, that's being an educated consumer. As many have discussed, G has certain expenses it needs to factor in for, they're in business to make a profit. If you find some fabrics to be less interesting, then don't buy it? If you bought it because of their "copywrite" and regret it, return it. Is it G's fault for offering the fabrics you regret buying, and you decided to keep them (not you in particular, but some people here)? No one is decrying finding more information and gaining knowledge, and calling it a witch hunt. We just have no proof of the assumptions that is being made. Don't know which mills they're getting fabrics from? Must be cheap mills. Other companies aren't doing the fabrics G does? Must be cheap quality fabrics. I remember when LD opened up their website for business following KS, and when the majority of people who ordered didn't receive their orders, LD went radio silent. Then us, including me, conspiracy theorists came out with why we thought this was happening. It got so out of control that the mods stepped in and put an end to it, stating we need more facts. Assumptions are just that, assumptions, until proven true. Why the assumptions until we find out the facts. The only fact is, G isn't revealing the mills they purchase fabrics from. Are buying decisions educated if they are based off of theories as to why they don't reveal the mills, and not facts? Dude, if Gustin doesn't pay you, they should. I've never seen anything like this and I've been online in gear forums for years. You really should get a big "G" on your chest. |
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2015 10:01:14 GMT -6
Exactly. Having a little more knowledge about the source of the materials isn't a witch hunt against G in the least, it's about this group of smart denim fans doing a little bit more to become smarter denim fans. I'm still buying from Gustin, I merely am doing a little more research into some of the fabrics that have dropped and trying to make a more educated buying decision. I look at their offerings and understand that some are a legit value, while others, they certainly help the bottom line of the business. That's not a conspiracy, that's being an educated consumer. As many have discussed, G has certain expenses it needs to factor in for, they're in business to make a profit. If you find some fabrics to be less interesting, then don't buy it? If you bought it because of their "copywrite" and regret it, return it. Is it G's fault for offering the fabrics you regret buying, and you decided to keep them (not you in particular, but some people here)? No one is decrying finding more information and gaining knowledge, and calling it a witch hunt. We just have no proof of the assumptions that is being made. Don't know which mills they're getting fabrics from? Must be cheap mills. Other companies aren't doing the fabrics G does? Must be cheap quality fabrics. I remember when LD opened up their website for business following KS, and when the majority of people who ordered didn't receive their orders, LD went radio silent. Then us, including me, conspiracy theorists came out with why we thought this was happening. It got so out of control that the mods stepped in and put an end to it, stating we need more facts. Assumptions are just that, assumptions, until proven true. Why the assumptions until we find out the facts. The only fact is, G isn't revealing the mills they purchase fabrics from. Are buying decisions educated if they are based off of theories as to why they don't reveal the mills, and not facts? Are you reading what's in this thread? If I say I am doing more research on some of the fabrics I'm interested in, that's not "theories" - that's research. Ask any scientist, there's a difference in those two. That doesn't result in assumptions, or any negativity from my perspective on G. I'm not speaking in any negative light towards Gustin. What my original point was - is that we as a collective group reach out to some of the main players in the industry to gain a little more knowledge (like a Pacific Blue who deals with more mills than we can imagine) to get a real understanding of the mills and maybe even more insight to what's coming down the pike - not just for G but for others (like finding a mill who will make CarbonxCoffee or CoffeexBlack Hbones). None of that is based on assumptions. I've had conversations with people working directly with Pacific Blue, there's a lot more knowledge to be learned. No need to become the Gustin Avenger today, I think we are arguing the same point. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 13, 2015 10:14:59 GMT -6
Until devastitis buys a pair of Momotaro, Iron Heart, PBJ or similar, we're going to have to keep hearing about the awesomeness of Gustin. Maybe we should start a pool to get him a pair of good jeans? At the same time, having paid more than I paid for my Oni for some rather basic Cone selvedge, it's hard to argue that my Gustin Oki aren't both a good deal and a pretty cool denim for the price. They're not the same as the big boys, but for $109, they're pretty cool. I think if G killed the 'same as others offer for $200+' BS, we could all go back to shopping Rakuten for some cool denim. Shit's cheap, yo. |
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Post by Old26 on Jun 13, 2015 10:42:16 GMT -6
Boat shoes dropped. Made in Italy, and well, you can see the price for yourselves... And just in time for winter! But...if they're your style, they look nice. Slippers |
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Post by nater on Jun 13, 2015 11:05:31 GMT -6
Boat shoes dropped. Made in Italy, and well, you can see the price for yourselves... And just in time for winter! But...if they're your style, they look nice. SlippersIf they were $50 less I might jump on the greys but the wait time... Ugh. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jun 13, 2015 15:17:24 GMT -6
Woah woah far from boat shoes or slippers. Those are slip on sneakers. Now pardon me. A long day yachting time to kick off the boat shoes. Shower and put on my bathrobe and slippers.
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Post by oatwilly on Jun 13, 2015 17:18:04 GMT -6
never buy suede shoes in any color other than black, trust me
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Post by blacktower on Jun 13, 2015 18:39:56 GMT -6
I find it odd that Gustin puts little to no effort in branding. Everything about the final product is minimalist, but not from an aesthetic "cool" sense. I remember my surprise at receiving my first order, a simple black bag, no tags, virtually no branding inside the denim, nothing to show that these were made by a company proud of its handiwork. In contrast, Ciano Farmer offers denim at the same or lower price, and you can tell CF cares about its product. Little things like including a swatch of denim to stamped labels, nice tags, etc. all of these elements add something extra to the product. I am still in awe of my Momotaro Copper Labels, from the awesome pocket lining to the tags. Japan Blues come with a pocket square/bandana, a very cool detail. Gustin could have been so much more, so much potential. I find this to be an interesting complaint because the lack of branding is a very big appeal to me with G. Yes, I agree that you can tell that someone like CF 'cares' about his product more than G does, but I really like the fact that with my G jeans and chinos I'm not a walking advertisement for them. I have really been aware of that in my clothes purchases recently. Why am I paying someone so that I can be a walking billboard? I wasn't referring to things like the absence of logos, arcuates, flashy patch, etc. To reiterate, I see no evidence of craftsmanship, no pride in the individual item, no "story", which are part of the branding. It's certainly not a complaint, but rather surprise at the absence of little details that many denim heads like and seek. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 19:56:28 GMT -6
Until devastitis buys a pair of Momotaro, Iron Heart, PBJ or similar, we're going to have to keep hearing about the awesomeness of Gustin. Maybe we should start a pool to get him a pair of good jeans? At the same time, having paid more than I paid for my Oni for some rather basic Cone selvedge, it's hard to argue that my Gustin Oki aren't both a good deal and a pretty cool denim for the price. They're not the same as the big boys, but for $109, they're pretty cool. I think if G killed the 'same as others offer for $200+' BS, we could all go back to shopping Rakuten for some cool denim. Shit's cheap, yo. I'm thinking about the Strike Gold Pure Golds, but at $335, it's still pretty pricey. Also considering the Momo 0702 BRs and 0702 IxBs at $225. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 13, 2015 20:05:18 GMT -6
Until devastitis buys a pair of Momotaro, Iron Heart, PBJ or similar, we're going to have to keep hearing about the awesomeness of Gustin. Maybe we should start a pool to get him a pair of good jeans? At the same time, having paid more than I paid for my Oni for some rather basic Cone selvedge, it's hard to argue that my Gustin Oki aren't both a good deal and a pretty cool denim for the price. They're not the same as the big boys, but for $109, they're pretty cool. I think if G killed the 'same as others offer for $200+' BS, we could all go back to shopping Rakuten for some cool denim. Shit's cheap, yo. I'm thinking about the Strike Gold Pure Golds, but at $335, it's still pretty pricey. Also considering the Momo 0702 BRs and 0702 IxBs at $225. I've seen the 2209 for $216 on Rakuten, just not in my size yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 20:08:28 GMT -6
I'm thinking about the Strike Gold Pure Golds, but at $335, it's still pretty pricey. Also considering the Momo 0702 BRs and 0702 IxBs at $225. I've seen the 2209 for $216 on Rakuten, just not in my size yet. That's the problem with Rakuten. Not in my size for anything I really want. |
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Post by jray on Jun 13, 2015 20:09:16 GMT -6
Guys - check out the burgus plus 850's on Hinoya rakuten. I just bought a pair. Beige wefts much like the SG 2109, slubby and 16 ounces. I love them. And they're $143 USD.
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Post by jray on Jun 13, 2015 20:10:13 GMT -6
I should have said - i've received and worn them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 20:14:25 GMT -6
I'm thinking about the Strike Gold Pure Golds, but at $335, it's still pretty pricey. Also considering the Momo 0702 BRs and 0702 IxBs at $225. I've seen the 2209 for $216 on Rakuten, just not in my size yet. Oh sh*..You must mean the 2109, and they have all the sizes for both the 2105 and 2109. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 13, 2015 20:16:39 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 20:18:52 GMT -6
Hmm, they're unsanforized? What do on unsanforized? |
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Post by scooter on Jun 13, 2015 20:56:35 GMT -6
Hmm, they're unsanforized? What do on unsanforized? You soak them. Then, you wear them.  Edit : All kidding aside, you can specify non-wash, or one wash. One wash do not require the soak. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 13, 2015 20:59:12 GMT -6
Hmm, they're unsanforized? What do on unsanforized? They have a once washed option if you're chicken. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 21:47:10 GMT -6
I'm definitely going with one wash. I'll do a more thorough check on measurements before I send this off to my second wallet for approval.
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Post by scooter on Jun 13, 2015 22:04:52 GMT -6
I'm definitely going with one wash. I'll do a more thorough check on measurements before I send this off to my second wallet for approval. Damn, you and @untucked have got it made. I mean, with your enabler GFs, and all. |
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