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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 19:37:37 GMT -6
I tell everyone this, the waist is not the main thing to worry about when sizing jeans. Its the thigh and leg. So if you are a true 33 waist BUT a 33 with LD or any other brand has a thigh that is to slim, u likely will not be able to get them up let alone buttoned. I can wear a waist that is 2 sizes to small if i really wanted to but if the thigh is to tight i wont be able to fit in a 44 waist. The key is to make sure the fit of the entire jean hits your needs. I am a 36 waist but need a 37-38 in most slim cuts but can go true to size with straight cuts I feel something is not clicking with all the sizing problems that I am reading here and KS. Not sure exactly why. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 7, 2014 19:57:49 GMT -6
I would love for people to measure their jeans so we can see where the differences are. If we have a tag 32 and they measure 32 but do not fit then its likely a customer not sizing correct. If we have a customer who says he is a 32 and we send a 30 or a 34 then we are likely sending bad sized jeans. So far most just say the jeans do not fit but we need to see what they measure to figure out where the problem is. Post photo's of the waist measured with a tape measure. If there is an issue with us sizing wrong i promise we will address it and fix it for you.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 7, 2014 20:03:47 GMT -6
I tell everyone this, the waist is not the main thing to worry about when sizing jeans. Its the thigh and leg. So if you are a true 33 waist BUT a 33 with LD or any other brand has a thigh that is to slim, u likely will not be able to get them up let alone buttoned. I can wear a waist that is 2 sizes to small if i really wanted to but if the thigh is to tight i wont be able to fit in a 44 waist. The key is to make sure the fit of the entire jean hits your needs. I am a 36 waist but need a 37-38 in most slim cuts but can go true to size with straight cuts Thanks exophobe. DirtyDenim: Thanks for your input. Because I've got a few slim straights (1xGustin 29 slim straight / 1xGustin 30 slim straight / 1xUB101 29 / 1xN&F Skinny Guy 30) I'm looking for a few pairs with a more relaxed fit, but not too relaxed. Based off of my N&F Skinny Guy Size 30 (31" waist, 9.5" rise, 10.5" thigh, 7.7" knee, 37.5" inseam, 7" leg opening) that I have been wearing for a few months, I find the waist too big and need a belt (I can get a fist between) and the thighs and calves are perfect for slim fit but I wouldn't want to get any smaller. So for me a relaxed fit, with 30" waist / 11" thigh / 8" knee / 7.5" leg opening is more or less what I'm looking for. The closest fit to this would be Lawless Straight Leg 31 but I'm kinda worried that waist will be too big. If waist is indeed TTS then it may work. |
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Post by exophobe on Dec 7, 2014 20:20:15 GMT -6
I would love for people to measure their jeans so we can see where the differences are. If we have a tag 32 and they measure 32 but do not fit then its likely a customer not sizing correct. If we have a customer who says he is a 32 and we send a 30 or a 34 then we are likely sending bad sized jeans. So far most just say the jeans do not fit but we need to see what they measure to figure out where the problem is. Post photo's of the waist measured with a tape measure. If there is an issue with us sizing wrong i promise we will address it and fix it for you. A comparison of how a 33 actual waist measures up when measured the Gustin or Iron Heart way may also be helpful. Is Lawless still doing the "we'll send you a cloth measuring tape" thing? |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 7, 2014 21:16:25 GMT -6
I tell everyone this, the waist is not the main thing to worry about when sizing jeans. Its the thigh and leg. So if you are a true 33 waist BUT a 33 with LD or any other brand has a thigh that is to slim, u likely will not be able to get them up let alone buttoned. I can wear a waist that is 2 sizes to small if i really wanted to but if the thigh is to tight i wont be able to fit in a 44 waist. The key is to make sure the fit of the entire jean hits your needs. I am a 36 waist but need a 37-38 in most slim cuts but can go true to size with straight cuts Thanks exophobe. DirtyDenim: Thanks for your input. Because I've got a few slim straights (1xGustin 29 slim straight / 1xGustin 30 slim straight / 1xUB101 29 / 1xN&F Skinny Guy 30) I'm looking for a few pairs with a more relaxed fit, but not too relaxed. Based off of my N&F Skinny Guy Size 30 (31" waist, 9.5" rise, 10.5" thigh, 7.7" knee, 37.5" inseam, 7" leg opening) that I have been wearing for a few months, I find the waist too big and need a belt (I can get a fist between) and the thighs and calves are perfect for slim fit but I wouldn't want to get any smaller. So for me a relaxed fit, with 30" waist / 11" thigh / 8" knee / 7.5" leg opening is more or less what I'm looking for. The closest fit to this would be Lawless Straight Leg 31 but I'm kinda worried that waist will be too big. If waist is indeed TTS then it may work. Our 31 will come in at 30.5ish but if u need the waist a tad smaller just choose the 31 waist but ask for it to be a tad smaller. we will keep the rest the same down the leg |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 7, 2014 21:17:14 GMT -6
I would love for people to measure their jeans so we can see where the differences are. If we have a tag 32 and they measure 32 but do not fit then its likely a customer not sizing correct. If we have a customer who says he is a 32 and we send a 30 or a 34 then we are likely sending bad sized jeans. So far most just say the jeans do not fit but we need to see what they measure to figure out where the problem is. Post photo's of the waist measured with a tape measure. If there is an issue with us sizing wrong i promise we will address it and fix it for you. A comparison of how a 33 actual waist measures up when measured the Gustin or Iron Heart way may also be helpful. Is Lawless still doing the "we'll send you a cloth measuring tape" thing? Yes we still do that. |
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 8:57:16 GMT -6
Thanks exophobe. DirtyDenim: Thanks for your input. Because I've got a few slim straights (1xGustin 29 slim straight / 1xGustin 30 slim straight / 1xUB101 29 / 1xN&F Skinny Guy 30) I'm looking for a few pairs with a more relaxed fit, but not too relaxed. Based off of my N&F Skinny Guy Size 30 (31" waist, 9.5" rise, 10.5" thigh, 7.7" knee, 37.5" inseam, 7" leg opening) that I have been wearing for a few months, I find the waist too big and need a belt (I can get a fist between) and the thighs and calves are perfect for slim fit but I wouldn't want to get any smaller. So for me a relaxed fit, with 30" waist / 11" thigh / 8" knee / 7.5" leg opening is more or less what I'm looking for. The closest fit to this would be Lawless Straight Leg 31 but I'm kinda worried that waist will be too big. If waist is indeed TTS then it may work. Our 31 will come in at 30.5ish but if u need the waist a tad smaller just choose the 31 waist but ask for it to be a tad smaller. we will keep the rest the same down the leg Great info! So size 31 is apprx 30.5". That would work for me out of the bag, but I would prefer it 1/2 to 1" smaller to allow for stretching for a custom fit. How do I ask for waist to be a bit smaller? Is this the +$98 Custom Made option? Will this customization affect thigh size? A non related question, but do you ship to Canada? If so do you use USPS or courier such as UPS etc? And what would shipping costs be (ie. per piece or fixed per package)? Reason I'm asking is that I want to start thread to let our northern neighbours know of this great deal. Cheers |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 8, 2014 9:48:57 GMT -6
Our 31 will come in at 30.5ish but if u need the waist a tad smaller just choose the 31 waist but ask for it to be a tad smaller. we will keep the rest the same down the leg Great info! So size 31 is apprx 30.5". That would work for me out of the bag, but I would prefer it 1/2 to 1" smaller to allow for stretching for a custom fit. How do I ask for waist to be a bit smaller? Is this the +$98 Custom Made option? Will this customization affect thigh size? A non related question, but do you ship to Canada? If so do you use USPS or courier such as UPS etc? And what would shipping costs be (ie. per piece or fixed per package)? Reason I'm asking is that I want to start thread to let our northern neighbours know of this great deal. Cheers You will note it when checking out. Anything that would require another pattern being made will push it into the full custom option($98) Something like a thigh or the length we understand can be problem areas for some so we will allow that. A waist being altered can also be adjusted but never all We ship to Canada via USPS |
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Post by Griffin on Dec 8, 2014 11:28:38 GMT -6
Tarzan, can I ask out of curiosity what is your actual waist measured on the waist of your body where the jeans sit?
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 13:21:53 GMT -6
Great info! So size 31 is apprx 30.5". That would work for me out of the bag, but I would prefer it 1/2 to 1" smaller to allow for stretching for a custom fit. How do I ask for waist to be a bit smaller? Is this the +$98 Custom Made option? Will this customization affect thigh size? A non related question, but do you ship to Canada? If so do you use USPS or courier such as UPS etc? And what would shipping costs be (ie. per piece or fixed per package)? Reason I'm asking is that I want to start thread to let our northern neighbours know of this great deal. Cheers You will note it when checking out. Anything that would require another pattern being made will push it into the full custom option($98) Something like a thigh or the length we understand can be problem areas for some so we will allow that. A waist being altered can also be adjusted but never all We ship to Canada via USPS Can you clarify? So any one of adjusting thigh / length / waist requires another pattern (+$98)? I thought length/inseam was not a customization. |
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 13:25:12 GMT -6
Tarzan, can I ask out of curiosity what is your actual waist measured on the waist of your body where the jeans sit? Oh crap. I don't have a soft tape but used my belt to measure and it comes out to 31.75". My jeans measure 15" with waist aligned lying flat. Now I can see the disconnect due to incongruent measuring methods. I guess I am now a 31 / 32 in LD sizing. |
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Post by ickes on Dec 8, 2014 13:36:58 GMT -6
tarzan, yeah I was going to recommend that you go buy a soft tape measurer and measure your actual waist. Measuring the waist on your jeans laying flat and doubling it is not your true waist. I would go with your actual waist size for Lawless.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 13:47:31 GMT -6
tarzan, yeah I was going to recommend that you go buy a soft tape measurer and measure your actual waist. Measuring the waist on your jeans laying flat and doubling it is not your true waist. I would go with your actual waist size for Lawless. Thank you ickes. Lesson learned: Gustin sizing != Lawless sizing and Gustin sizing < Lawless sizing |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Dec 8, 2014 13:48:36 GMT -6
You will note it when checking out. Anything that would require another pattern being made will push it into the full custom option($98) Something like a thigh or the length we understand can be problem areas for some so we will allow that. A waist being altered can also be adjusted but never all We ship to Canada via USPS Can you clarify? So any one of adjusting thigh / length / waist requires another pattern (+$98)? I thought length/inseam was not a customization. I think he meant modifying waist or modifying thigh can be done at no cost, but modifying waist and thigh would require a custom pattern. The length should be a non issue as you select that when ordering and even something like a 31.75 inseam shouldn't cost more than a 32 inseam. I think a custom pattern comes into play when you are altering two or more of waist, thigh, knee, calf measurements on an existing style. |
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Post by Griffin on Dec 8, 2014 13:50:20 GMT -6
I find my jeans are evolving through the measurements also from fresh washed until a coupple weeks...a month. So its really very unreliable since it also depends on what one does. If I sit in the couch with the pc many days they will stretch more.
I am a 35 slim in Gustin and a 36 slim in LD.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 14:13:00 GMT -6
Can you clarify? So any one of adjusting thigh / length / waist requires another pattern (+$98)? I thought length/inseam was not a customization. I think he meant modifying waist or modifying thigh can be done at no cost, but modifying waist and thigh would require a custom pattern. The length should be a non issue as you select that when ordering and even something like a 31.75 inseam shouldn't cost more than a 32 inseam. I think a custom pattern comes into play when you are altering two or more of waist, thigh, knee, calf measurements on an existing style. Thanks mate Re-reading I see what you mean. Simply awesome. |
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Post by tarzan on Dec 8, 2014 14:16:39 GMT -6
I find my jeans are evolving through the measurements also from fresh washed until a coupple weeks...a month. So its really very unreliable since it also depends on what one does. If I sit in the couch with the pc many days they will stretch more. I am a 35 slim in Gustin and a 36 slim in LD. So your LD waist is >= 36? |
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Post by Griffin on Dec 8, 2014 14:44:27 GMT -6
I am actually not a good rolemodel for picking size. I just wanted to say that usually people are atleast 1 size up in LD from Gustin.
Personally I have large hips but cant size the jeans from that because they get too baggy all over then, so I stretch the waistband and then they fit. I use a wooden piece in the waist when drying the jeans after wash. I am almost a 38 irl, but its just the hipbones, rest of my body is 35 gustin and 36 lawless.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 8, 2014 17:23:38 GMT -6
You will note it when checking out. Anything that would require another pattern being made will push it into the full custom option($98) Something like a thigh or the length we understand can be problem areas for some so we will allow that. A waist being altered can also be adjusted but never all We ship to Canada via USPS Can you clarify? So any one of adjusting thigh / length / waist requires another pattern (+$98)? I thought length/inseam was not a customization. The reality is we really do not want any changes on semi custom with the fit. Occasionally we will allow it because the person may require something to fit in our cuts. Yes inseam is always automatic but changing something from left to right will almost always cause the pattern to be adjusted. For instance if we bring in the knee to much that will cause us to have to also change the calf and ankle. Basically a ripple affect on the overall cut of the jean. We typically have some room when we sew the two sides of the denim together so anything over that will cause the pattern to be altered. Best answer is just ask and we will tell you yay or nay or to go full custom. We also do not look to just push people towards custom as we prefer the semi custom regardless if it brings in an extra $49-$98. That fee literally covers time added and has no profit |
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Post by tarzan on Dec 9, 2014 11:07:30 GMT -6
Can you clarify? So any one of adjusting thigh / length / waist requires another pattern (+$98)? I thought length/inseam was not a customization. The reality is we really do not want any changes on semi custom with the fit. Occasionally we will allow it because the person may require something to fit in our cuts. Yes inseam is always automatic but changing something from left to right will almost always cause the pattern to be adjusted. For instance if we bring in the knee to much that will cause us to have to also change the calf and ankle. Basically a ripple affect on the overall cut of the jean. We typically have some room when we sew the two sides of the denim together so anything over that will cause the pattern to be altered. Best answer is just ask and we will tell you yay or nay or to go full custom. We also do not look to just push people towards custom as we prefer the semi custom regardless if it brings in an extra $49-$98. That fee literally covers time added and has no profit I understand. So going over the measurements, I am looking at 31 Straight Fit with thigh adjusted 22.5-> 21.75. Would this be full custom? EDIT: I should clarify that no other adjustments or ripple changes are necessary |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Dec 9, 2014 12:05:29 GMT -6
The reality is we really do not want any changes on semi custom with the fit. Occasionally we will allow it because the person may require something to fit in our cuts. Yes inseam is always automatic but changing something from left to right will almost always cause the pattern to be adjusted. For instance if we bring in the knee to much that will cause us to have to also change the calf and ankle. Basically a ripple affect on the overall cut of the jean. We typically have some room when we sew the two sides of the denim together so anything over that will cause the pattern to be altered. Best answer is just ask and we will tell you yay or nay or to go full custom. We also do not look to just push people towards custom as we prefer the semi custom regardless if it brings in an extra $49-$98. That fee literally covers time added and has no profit I understand. So going over the measurements, I am looking at 31 Straight Fit with thigh adjusted 22.5-> 21.75. Would this be full custom? EDIT: I should clarify that no other adjustments or ripple changes are necessary No you are fine. We understand people are likely gonna have to play with things a bit. I know when I buy jeans I typically will buy till I get it right but we are trying to help customers avoid that. I mean BST was created to help people unload ill fitting gear and of course to unload stuff you just do not wear. We want to try to keep our stuff out of there as best as we can |
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Post by tarzan on Dec 9, 2014 13:20:58 GMT -6
I understand. So going over the measurements, I am looking at 31 Straight Fit with thigh adjusted 22.5-> 21.75. Would this be full custom? EDIT: I should clarify that no other adjustments or ripple changes are necessary No you are fine. We understand people are likely gonna have to play with things a bit. I know when I buy jeans I typically will buy till I get it right but we are trying to help customers avoid that. I mean BST was created to help people unload ill fitting gear and of course to unload stuff you just do not wear. We want to try to keep our stuff out of there as best as we can Awesome! Thanks a lot. |
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Post by 99 on Jan 22, 2015 13:12:14 GMT -6
tarzan, yeah I was going to recommend that you go buy a soft tape measurer and measure your actual waist. Measuring the waist on your jeans laying flat and doubling it is not your true waist. I would go with your actual waist size for Lawless. Thank you ickes. Lesson learned: Gustin sizing != Lawless sizing and Gustin sizing < Lawless sizing So a got a soft tape, using LD method, I measure 34" Most my jeans measure 31" using the Laying down on floor method, 15.5" x 2.  This is how I purchase all my jeans online using the above method, mostly spot on fit. I don't a Gustin so I can't compare. Should I order based on LD Slim Straight chart Size 31 or based on LD measurement method 34? |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 22, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -6
If I were in charge of the Clothing Laws of the United States of America, I would mandate simple rules for all clothing and sizing. The fact that grown men have to discuss this so often (here and elsewhere) is a black eye to money-spending fashion whores everywhere.
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Post by Canucklehead on Jan 22, 2015 13:39:57 GMT -6
If I were in charge of the Clothing Laws of the United States of America, I would mandate simple rules for all clothing and sizing. The fact that grown men have to discuss this so often (here and elsewhere) is a black eye to money-spending fashion whores everywhere. Agree 100%. |
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