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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jan 6, 2015 22:16:28 GMT -6
My name is Sal and I do as I am told
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Post by Old26 on Jan 6, 2015 22:22:02 GMT -6
My name is Sal and I do as I am told OK, make me five shirts and have them here by next Monday.  |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Jan 6, 2015 22:43:20 GMT -6
My name is Sal and I do as I am told OK, make me five shirts and have them here by next Monday. How about 10 to 12.....................WEEKS. By the way I am flying out to AZ Thursday at 630am and will be in AZ by 11am. I'll spend a few hours settling in and then dive right into a few things. I will be there from the 8th-21st of January. Tomorrow I plan on being MIA most of the day to get some time in with my wife a daughter but will check in here and there on the forum, chat and order messages. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 23:15:49 GMT -6
OK, make me five shirts and have them here by next Monday. How about 10 to 12.....................WEEKS. By the way I am flying out to AZ Thursday at 630am and will be in AZ by 11am. I'll spend a few hours settling in and then dive right into a few things. I will be there from the 8th-21st of January. Tomorrow I plan on being MIA most of the day to get some time in with my wife a daughter but will check in here and there on the forum, chat and order messages. it would be great to give us some preview of the spring/summer fabric. 10 oz Zim? |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 7, 2015 0:07:00 GMT -6
Seriously guys, I've gone about 4 months with zero updates on my KS order and Dirty_Denim was kind of doing Gods work here. By joining this (or any forum) and providing an email and a few details any 15 year old kid with a bit of ambition and doxxing skills can figure out who you are andI see people posting their names and emails all over the place here. I understand the mods are trying to protect privacy and that's an honorable thing, but can those of us who aren't worried about being outed as denim customers not be involuntarily opted out? I'm an engineer, my name is all over the internet, if it's a problem, well, I was screwed 10 years ago  Not a mod, but since I was the yahoo that raised the issue in the first place, I feel compelled to respond. I think you're absolutely right that those of us who post here, especially the regulars, have willingly assumed a certain degree of risk and in many cases have volunteered personally identifying information. It's also true that the subject matter here is pretty much entirely benign. I spoke up not out of any desire to nanny the members here and protect them from themselves. We're all grown-ups and we can decide for ourselves how much we wish to reveal online. Rather, my concern was that I reckoned there had to have been names posted up that do not belong to any member of this forum. Those folks aren't here and have no easy way to be made aware that their names have been listed on a website, no easy way to object to that if they're not comfortable with it. I don't consider myself a jacked-up privacy crusader or anything, but I do believe that erring strongly on the side of caution when it comes to handling customer data of any kind is generally good policy for just about any business these days. There are multiple channels for Lawless to provide you with the information you desire. Batch posting customer names for you to comb through seems like a clumsy way to go about it, and one which can only invite Bad Things (however unlikely) to happen to a company that I think most of us would like to see succeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 1:31:28 GMT -6
Mattbert, you were on point, so was Old26. I just want a chance for those of us who backed KS stuff to at least get some discussion going on how we'd still get updates because "work it through LD" is not an answer. I won't air dirty laundry but the KS thing has been a total gaff and I think most people can see that. I think there are very good people in a bad situation (both LD employees, - Dirty_Denim NO disrespect to you or anyone else at LD - and customers) and it's been a quite an exercise in patience for those of us who threw down cash last summer. For me, it's a couple pairs of pants, less money than the deductible on my car if someone runs into me or less than a bad day at the doctor. Am I losing sleep over it? Hell no. It's just repeated instances of "hoping to ship next week..." for a couple months while free pants are showing up here is a bit absurd. After a while, it's ok to call bullshit on that and I think certain people have here and they've been hassled or made to feel like they are being hard on LD. Basically, if you backed KS, you're marginalized at best and so many things OTHER than fulfilling KS orders have been prioritized that it's time to say, in a gentlemanly way, bullshit on you LD. Dude, where's my car pants? I bear zero ill will toward anyone here. We're grown ass men talking about pants. It's almost as fun as arguing about football. But my pressure relief valve popped on this crap, finally. That's all. We good Mattbert. We good.
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Post by Winterland on Jan 7, 2015 1:59:21 GMT -6
We have discussed the name concerns. We want LD to be able to communicate progress of orders. Best judgement will be used in the future. There might be instances where names might be used if that is the only way to communicate. Hopefully soon all the KS orders will get put out and it will not be an issue any more. Carry on...
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Post by julian on Jan 7, 2015 4:38:13 GMT -6
@stevekas - I'll fight your corner here because I believe your comments are justified. We're all, by now, aware just how long these things can take, but to wait four or five months for a pair of jeans is faintly ridiculous... especially when you're openly seeing other jeans being sent/arriving prior to yours.
I was a bit late to the Lawless party (first order was 3rd November 2014) but jumped in on the 50% discount offered when the new site went live (I think it was the new site, either that or the old new site...) While I have absolutely no need for any more jeans, the initial prognosis was an 8 week lead time. It's been just over 9 weeks already.
As with just about everything in life, it's a trade off: I'm hoping to receive some well made jeans in some great fabrics for not very much money - but already I'm waiting longer for them than expected (and which was a fairly lengthy period in the first place). Add in the fact that delivery to the UK and customs delays could add another 8 to 10 days once they are sent and I'm now not really expecting to see anything from Lawless until February.
My experience with Gustin saw most of the large portion of goodwill I had for the company and their products significantly diminish due to constant sizing problems, but they DID hit their production and shipping targets on all of my orders.
If anything, Lawless - especially here - had even more of a buzz of goodwill and excitement about them than even Gustin in their mid-2014 heyday. Already a couple of friends that I enthused into placing orders have started to email me saying they figured their jeans would be here by now.
I very much get that Lawless are a small, rapidly growing company and have faced challenges, but that applies to almost any worthwhile company at the start and on an ongoing basis. It's not enough to palm people off with the fact that things haven't been easy.
Still looking forward to receiving my pairs and have high hopes, but just wanted to say that I understand your frustration and actually think you've put your points across very well.
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 7, 2015 6:44:21 GMT -6
I fully agree with @stevekas and julian. I am eagerly looking forward to the day, hopefully not long from now, when the discussion of our favorite denim vendors once again revolves around their products instead of their production time travails. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 9:24:17 GMT -6
I fully agree with @stevekas and julian. I am eagerly looking forward to the day, hopefully not long from now, when the discussion of our favorite denim vendors once again revolves around their products instead of their production time travails. That'll be the day I start backing Gustin and Lawless again. |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 7, 2015 9:58:25 GMT -6
Luckily for us, we mostly have a lot of denim and shirts. But I imagine a nOOb would be really pissed if the orders kept slipping...
It's the model - we know that - but there's a tipping point where the fun stops and reality bites you in the ass. I sure hope everyone can get back on track.
Remember when we used to post pics of sh*t we got?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 17:20:15 GMT -6
Somehow the denim world always has those brahs that thinks that waiting longer makes the denim better or the stitches tighter. There is no old grandma stirring the pot of boiled denim while we all sit at the dinner table. She tastes the denim broth, "not quite ready. We will eat when it is ready."
If they make your jeans today or tomorrow or next month, they will make them the same. Waiting longer doesn't make the denims taste any sweeter. To me, they usually taste a little more bitter at that point. (note, even thought this is a lawless thread, all companies online I have purchased from in similar fashion were late. So it is still a level playing field)
ok, that was a bad example. Grandmas always knows when to start boiling the denim so it is ready for dinner. Thanks, grandmas!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 17:28:09 GMT -6
Somehow the denim world always has those brahs that thinks that waiting longer makes the denim better or the stitches tighter. There is no old grandma stirring the pot of boiled denim while we all sit at the dinner table. She tastes the denim broth, "not quite ready. We will eat when it is ready." If they make your jeans today or tomorrow or next month, they will make them the same. Waiting longer doesn't make the denims taste any sweeter. To me, they usually taste a little more bitter at that point. (note, even thought this is a lawless thread, all companies online I have purchased from in similar fashion were late. So it is still a level playing field) ok, that was a bad example. Grandmas always knows when to start boiling the denim so it is ready for dinner. Thanks, grandmas! I remembered we chatted about CF back on the Gustin community and I agree with you about the time wait. I hope things will go better after CF and LD settle down a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 17:30:28 GMT -6
While we all wait, let's remember to keep this in mind   Umm.. what happened if my shirt is neither good, cheap or fast? |
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Post by davelewis on Jan 7, 2015 17:59:04 GMT -6
Somehow the denim world always has those brahs that thinks that waiting longer makes the denim better or the stitches tighter. There is no old grandma stirring the pot of boiled denim while we all sit at the dinner table. She tastes the denim broth, "not quite ready. We will eat when it is ready." If they make your jeans today or tomorrow or next month, they will make them the same. Waiting longer doesn't make the denims taste any sweeter. To me, they usually taste a little more bitter at that point. (note, even thought this is a lawless thread, all companies online I have purchased from in similar fashion were late. So it is still a level playing field) ok, that was a bad example. Grandmas always knows when to start boiling the denim so it is ready for dinner. Thanks, grandmas! I remembered we chatted about CF back on the Gustin community and I agree with you about the time wait. I hope things will go better after CF and LD settle down a bit. As for waiting times, I have to believe that these companies have to have a decent idea of how long it takes them to produce their products. In the example of LD, they started having crazy promotions, which were great for consumers, but would purposefully add to wait times, with the added backlog. In their case, the backlog grew much faster than their ability to up production, and the company didn't pass this info on to the consumer, because their waiting time didn't change on the website. That is a recipe for some disgruntled customers. I think that LD has learned from this, and I hope that CF, and the rest of these start-ups learn from these mistakes, but only time will tell |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 18:19:15 GMT -6
Umm.. what happened if my shirt is neither good, cheap or fast? wait...you received a shirt that was unsatisfactory? how have we never read about this before? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 19:16:55 GMT -6
got 2 ship notices from LD. USPS says they delivered one today (though no package arrived), and the other is stuck on 'shipping label created' status since friday.
they'll get here...eventually
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Post by oatwilly on Jan 7, 2015 19:33:19 GMT -6
Personally, the amount of time I have to wait for my goods is of a distant secondary concern. If they come to me made with high attention to detail and quality, and the measurements are spot on to the fit charts on their site, I could care less of they are 2 weeks late, or 3 months late. Considering what I paid, I'd feel like a real ass complaining and ranting and raving away on a public forum the second they are 'officially' late. On the same taken...I'd feel like an even bigger ass if after standing by waiting patiently, my stuff arrives sloppily made, or not sewn up to fit chart spec. So guys, let's show our appreciation for these great deals we are getting by not piling on LD. Let's encourage them to take the proper time with our orders so they all come out perfect. Then we'll all be happy  |
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Post by Tobesjones on Jan 7, 2015 20:28:03 GMT -6
So post office man just dropped off my LD 18 oz Kuroki. Figure I would give you all some quick denim porn. I went with the red thread for something different and honestly don't know how I feel about this. I sure don't have anything else like this but I am thinking it would look better with a much darker indigo. One thing I am loving is these pockets. Genius of you LD offering flannel! I would throw out all of the crappy canvas bags that come with my other pairs and replace it with these if I could.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 20:53:35 GMT -6
Personally, the amount of time I have to wait for my goods is of a distant secondary concern. If they come to me made with high attention to detail and quality, and the measurements are spot on to the fit charts on their site, I could care less of they are 2 weeks late, or 3 months late. Considering what I paid, I'd feel like a real ass complaining and ranting and raving away on a public forum the second they are 'officially' late. On the same taken...I'd feel like an even bigger ass if after standing by waiting patiently, my stuff arrives sloppily made, or not sewn up to fit chart spec. So guys, let's show our appreciation for these great deals we are getting by not piling on LD. Let's encourage them to take the proper time with our orders so they all come out perfect. Then we'll all be happy I for one have complained as of late after not saying a word for a very long time and I don't feel like a real ass. It's cool if you don't care about what's happened and it's cool if I do. My complaints aren't with delays, they re with a company being dismissive of customers and clearly pocketing money and then moving along to the next score before delivering goods. This is a documented fact not my opinion. Late is fine with me if you call me or email and say, yo, we're going to be late. Blow me off and you'll hear about it. If that's offensive, well too bad I guess. I can't imagine running my side business this way or conducting myself this way in my "real" career and I work for one of the hairiest, large scale start up Aerospace operations in history. It wouldn't fly. OK fellas - let's keep it to the products and not personal. Thanks chaps.-mgmt |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 7, 2015 21:00:37 GMT -6
Diggin' the red thread and pocket bags! Sweet! I'm wearing mine now too. LOVE them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 21:06:37 GMT -6
Tobesjones, what color thread did you specify? Red or some variant? That looks kick ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 21:12:09 GMT -6
Tobesjones i normally don't like selvedge id along the back pocket, but it looks great with the red thread and that particular id. nice selection.
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Post by Tobesjones on Jan 7, 2015 21:16:48 GMT -6
Tobesjones, what color thread did you specify? Red or some variant? That looks kick ass. Regular old red. |
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