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Post by stinky on Oct 17, 2014 16:20:29 GMT -6
Has anyone received kickstarter jeans or seen more pics or real life of completed jeans? Just took a delivery… And?
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Post by wisdom on Oct 17, 2014 16:24:39 GMT -6
Has anyone received kickstarter jeans or seen more pics or real life of completed jeans? Just took a delivery… This is the cruelest tease..
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2014 16:33:23 GMT -6
Has anyone received kickstarter jeans or seen more pics or real life of completed jeans? I've seen a lot of pairs, some in production, some post-production. The craftsmanship is definitely there. Roman is big on the little details. My experience with the pairs I saw/handled were the 18.5 (super soft, not at all starchy) and the Cone Orange ID (a little more starchy but definitely a great looking pair of jeans...and jacket which I tried on). And yes...that was a tease!
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 17, 2014 16:48:21 GMT -6
What a terrible human being
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -6
Unnamed - beautiful write up. Images look great - thanks for sharing! I have seen those subtle details (the fan stitching in the button-fly) in person, Roman is quite proud of these. Those are the 18.5's? They look great. Good fit, and they look comfortable.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2014 19:23:22 GMT -6
Thanks, I absolutely love them. Yes, they are the 18.5oz and they are super comfortable. I'm excited for my 18.5's as well as all the other pairs I've got on their way. Thanks again for sharing the write-up.
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Post by ickes on Oct 17, 2014 19:39:34 GMT -6
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 17, 2014 20:15:02 GMT -6
The fit looks real good
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 17, 2014 20:18:45 GMT -6
Thanks, I absolutely love them. Yes, they are the 18.5oz and they are super comfortable. Are these from the KS campaign or the 20 jeans people got in on?
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 17, 2014 20:27:51 GMT -6
Real good! I am looking forward to getting my jeans & WS. Pretty stoked as Iv made a few cosmetic adjustments to my order that should make for some nice looking pieces.
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Post by matt on Oct 17, 2014 20:32:07 GMT -6
Thanks, I absolutely love them. Yes, they are the 18.5oz and they are super comfortable. Are these from the KS campaign or the 20 jeans people got in on? I believe it's KS - I don't know for certain, but he seems like a one-off purchase.
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Oct 17, 2014 21:35:27 GMT -6
unnamed Very nice! The dude that left the comment is more pedantic than anyone I've encountered when it comes to jeans. I'm still not sure I see all the "flaws" he saw. And calling them a train wreck?
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 17, 2014 22:11:21 GMT -6
unnamed Very nice! The dude that left the comment is more pedantic than anyone I've encountered when it comes to jeans. I'm still not sure I see all the "flaws" he saw. And calling them a train wreck? To be fair I do see a few mishaps but would chalk that up to them wanting to get these things out & can be corrected very easily. I wouldnt even worry about something small like the stitching on the pocket. I mean if thats all there is to worry about we have hit a homerun with Lawless. We arent talking about the back pockets being totally off or having popped stitches. Right now there are way to many people who seem to want Lawless to fail so they can talk shit. I just dont get that thinking because we are talking about peoples livelihoods. Whats funny is if Lawless was made by a guy that was well known in the denim community & his 1st run of jeans came out looking exactly like unnamed's pair, everyone would be patting him on the back saying "wow you did that & you are selling them for $79...I am in for 5 pairs" Sometimes the forum/denim community acts like High School cheerleaders who make fun of the fat girl for wanting to try out. Almost like the bullied become the bullies We are grown men people..If some of these peoples own friends & families saw how they act on forums they would be shocked at how catty & "pink" they act
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Post by Winterland on Oct 17, 2014 23:14:13 GMT -6
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Post by ickes on Oct 18, 2014 0:15:07 GMT -6
they look good unnamed.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 18, 2014 0:31:45 GMT -6
unnamed Very nice! The dude that left the comment is more pedantic than anyone I've encountered when it comes to jeans. I'm still not sure I see all the "flaws" he saw. And calling them a train wreck? To be fair I do see a few mishaps but would chalk that up to them wanting to get these things out & can be corrected very easily. I wouldnt even worry about something small like the stitching on the pocket. I mean if thats all there is to worry about we have hit a homerun with Lawless. We arent talking about the back pockets being totally off or having popped stitches. Right now there are way to many people who seem to want Lawless to fail so they can talk shit. I just dont get that thinking because we are talking about peoples livelihoods. These are looking pretty awesome, so I'm happy to see that. Having seen many kickstarter projects be overrun by their success, it's good to see these guys putting great stuff together in Phoenix at prices right around regular priced Levi's, and actually getting it out the door. When you hit most of the forums, it seems that the guys who swear by the expensive boutique guys want everyone trying to work it from a different angle to fail. Look at how the Gustinfriends excursion to denimbro went.
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Post by Derek G on Oct 18, 2014 8:01:23 GMT -6
unnamed, Thanks for posting up those pics, I think that helps to alleviate any anxiety we might of had about how Lawless' product is going to turn out. They look freaking great, can't wait to get mine in matt, I'd be remiss if I didn't thank you for being our eyes and ears. You've done the community a huge favor keeping us all informed in all things Lawless. It was nice to have someone local, willing to keep us informed, so, I thank you my friend
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Post by jray on Oct 18, 2014 8:34:30 GMT -6
#1 to your comments to both
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Post by Old26 on Oct 18, 2014 10:19:07 GMT -6
I was about to ban you for blue-ballin' the guys here! Great pics. Man, those look sharp!
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Post by davelewis on Oct 18, 2014 10:22:15 GMT -6
I would have to say they look good to me. I am not that critical as to the comment on the IH forum. For the price Roman is charging for his jeans, they are fantastic. If you want perfectness, then spen $300 dollars more.
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Post by Old26 on Oct 18, 2014 10:26:12 GMT -6
I would have to say they look good to me. I am not that critical as to the comment on the IH forum. For the price Roman is charging for his jeans, they are fantastic. If you want perfectness, then spen $300 dollars more. I don't and I won't Nothing wrong with cats spending on those - I have things I spend stupid money on. But jeans? I have destroyed some great jeans as I wear them to do what I need to do, so $400 denims aren't going to get holes ripped in them while mending a chicken coop or 40 year old grease from under the hood of a car. I can cope with having a $100 pair get hosed, not so much at 4x that.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 18, 2014 11:57:20 GMT -6
I would have to say they look good to me. I am not that critical as to the comment on the IH forum. For the price Roman is charging for his jeans, they are fantastic. If you want perfectness, then spen $300 dollars more. I don't and I won't Nothing wrong with cats spending on those - I have things I spend stupid money on. But jeans? I have destroyed some great jeans as I wear them to do what I need to do, so $400 denims aren't going to get holes ripped in them while mending a chicken coop or 40 year old grease from under the hood of a car. I can cope with having a $100 pair get hosed, not so much at 4x that. I feel the same but also appreciate an occasional irresponsible purchase but I still get worked up over this whole thing so here goes my lil rant for the day The overall outlook on anything that isnt expensive or that doesnt last 50 years is a bit out of hand. We are talking about jeans & at $79 for that matter. If Lawless was asking $400 for their jeans then you can pick them apart for any mistakes. I think people just ride the wave & go as the crowd goes in most cases. As far as the whole well made thing goes , I think its a bit overrated as most of us shred the shit out of jeans anyway so what the hell do u want them lasting more than a few years..why, so u can patch & repair your jeans made from the cloth of the denim god himself. If a pair of $79 jeans needs repairs its suddenly because of the lack of workmanship & that the brand came about from KS and not some poetic story where the designers mother made his diapers out of denim & bathed him in indigo baths from a very young age & he rode motorcycles from the age of 9. What about when denim went from being made by hand loomed machines...Do we think any less of the new more time efficient way which most of these larger brands now use. If anything we should laugh at the people who hire factories to have their jeans made when Lawless does it themselves which takes balls & is a lot harder. I have a pair of Unbranded jeans that have lasted as long as my $400 jeans & I treat them like shit. Of course I am not minimizing the worth of say a Samurai pair of jeans & Yes I see the differences but then again Im not gonna buy a Bentley just because its better than my Chevy. Again this is not an argument whether anyone is better than the brands that produce $400 jeans but more in the line of "Who are u to make fun of someone wanting to save money because they need to & cant spend $400" Anyway thanks for listening
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Post by Griffin on Oct 18, 2014 12:55:24 GMT -6
I agree that perfection is overrated. My Ironhearts came to me perfect. And let me just say I love them and I would always want a pair in my rotation. But they have shredded very fast. Both the pocket-openings, the bottom hem and the knees...the knees have become very thin and I seldom to never go on the floor. I love my 634s because they feel and look great, but for durabilly, my Nudie non-selvadge 14oz-ish actually held up better.
To me its all about looks. (as long as they wear normal), offcoruse its nice with perfection, but when we are talking a fourth of the price then I can take a slightly misalingned crouth or some threads I have to cut manually. What I dont want is like on my recent brown waxed trucker where there is 1 stitch that is loose and is in the air....and the fukker is just on the overside of the left cuff so i frelling se it everytime I use the jacket and especially when driving. Things like this has to be "perfect" for me. If they are, then what cant bee seen doesnt matter as much as long as it doesnt brake premature.
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Post by colerussell on Oct 18, 2014 13:44:23 GMT -6
Thanks for the excellent review, brother. Nice photos, nice words- both of which alleviate any worries I may have had about Lawless.
As for the size of jeans I ordered.... whoops! Hopefully I can get that changed still...
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Post by exophobe on Oct 18, 2014 13:49:43 GMT -6
I don't and I won't Nothing wrong with cats spending on those - I have things I spend stupid money on. But jeans? I have destroyed some great jeans as I wear them to do what I need to do, so $400 denims aren't going to get holes ripped in them while mending a chicken coop or 40 year old grease from under the hood of a car. I can cope with having a $100 pair get hosed, not so much at 4x that. I feel the same but also appreciate an occasional irresponsible purchase but I still get worked up over this whole thing so here goes my lil rant for the day The overall outlook on anything that isnt expensive or that doesnt last 50 years is a bit out of hand. We are talking about jeans & at $79 for that matter. If Lawless was asking $400 for their jeans then you can pick them apart for any mistakes. I think people just ride the wave & go as the crowd goes in most cases. As far as the whole well made thing goes , I think its a bit overrated as most of us shred the shit out of jeans anyway so what the hell do u want them lasting more than a few years..why, so u can patch & repair your jeans made from the cloth of the denim god himself. If a pair of $79 jeans needs repairs its suddenly because of the lack of workmanship & that the brand came about from KS and not some poetic story where the designers mother made his diapers out of denim & bathed him in indigo baths from a very young age & he rode motorcycles from the age of 9. What about when denim went from being made by hand loomed machines...Do we think any less of the new more time efficient way which most of these larger brands now use. If anything we should laugh at the people who hire factories to have their jeans made when Lawless does it themselves which takes balls & is a lot harder. I have a pair of Unbranded jeans that have lasted as long as my $400 jeans & I treat them like shit. Of course I am not minimizing the worth of say a Samurai pair of jeans & Yes I see the differences but then again Im not gonna buy a Bentley just because its better than my Chevy. Again this is not an argument whether anyone is better than the brands that produce $400 jeans but more in the line of "Who are u to make fun of someone wanting to save money because they need to & cant spend $400" Anyway thanks for listening Finally, I think there perhaps needs to be another thread on it, but I wanted to chime in on this guy. First things first, maybe I'm a weirdo, but those little imperfections on a hand-made or hand-sewn (or hand-sewing-machine-run-made) give them character, and when I receive them, any little bit of work I've done makes it mine, and creates a bond. I expect to find them on garments that are $80 and on garments that are $200, I really don't have any experience with really expensive clothing, so I can't say how I feel at that level. What I've found, though, and this is actually something I learned with guitars. In my experience, the thing you pay additional money for is fit and finish. It's why an Epiphone Les Paul is cheaper than a Gibson Les Paul. Sure, there's some upgraded hardware, but all that stuff is temporary (with a well crafted guitar, in any case). There are going to be variations, but when you're getting to something made from a pattern, a certain level of quality will be inherent. If I buy a cheap chinese guitar, I'm not going to be offended about the need to file the edges of frets, maybe have to pull out a pot to re-solder a joint, etc. And I'm not going to mind that as long as the piece of wood it's built out of isn't splitting before the finish is applied. Once I've put my time and effort into it, I have more pride in it, I feel a stronger sense of ownership, and I feel better using it. I feel this way with Gustin, and will likely feel this way with Lawless. They're giving me a great palate on which to develop a sense of pride, and so long as they continue being proud of what they do, it's worth supporting. I feel like I've been pretty vocal in my Gustin complaints, but I have had a largely positive experience (despite my first few). Now, I think they still have some stuff to work out with the shirt sizing (probably on the sew-shop end) but if they put the kind of focus they've had on the jeans in the last six months into the shirts, I'd probably be in a position where I'm not even looking at other brands, until something like Lawless comes along that seems to share the desire to make quality garments with the consumer's wallet in mind, in which case my interest is piqued. The mistake on the pocket of those Lawless jeans posted to reddit sucks, but it's certainly not a reason to throw out the baby and the bathwater. Despite that, I'm excited to see the lawless clothing getting out in the wild, and if they keep it up, Roman and his team should be proud of what they're doing, especially since they're doing it with their ideals intact.
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