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Post by davelewis on Mar 12, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if the cotton hasn't been picked yet .... Yes. This stinks of Roman trying to fund learning how to run those looms he has. If it's hard to find sewers imagine finding a loom operator outside of the Carolinas. The looms are being run by the little old Mexican ladies that Sal talked about, who were making the blanket rolls. |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 14:35:59 GMT -6
Who is/are "American Selvege"? Anyone hear of them before, have they been around???
Or is a new Co. of Romans?
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Post by bigblack on Mar 12, 2015 14:37:10 GMT -6
Who is/are "American Selvege"? Anyone hear of them before, have they been around??? Roman probably gave names to his looms |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 14:41:23 GMT -6
Who is/are "American Selvege"? Anyone hear of them before, have they been around??? Roman probably gave names to his looms I'm just uneasy with this being pitched as a "Collaboration". |
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Post by wdw on Mar 12, 2015 14:49:29 GMT -6
Thinking about it, this is actually quite a shrewd way of getting a longer term interest-free loan.
By creating an exclusivity, limited run factor, people jump in not wanting to miss out, and then by saying (hopefully?) September delivery, it'll be Christmas before the rumblings of discontent start. That means he gets 10 months of the punters' money before needing to drip-feed deliveries.
And of course by that time the Boise, Idaho factory will be "almost ready" and everything will soon be wonderful.
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Post by Griffin on Mar 12, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -6
Uncertainty of the Oz, like I do not.
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Post by Griffin on Mar 12, 2015 15:09:23 GMT -6
I do remember Roman talking about heavier oz a long time ago so it isnt impossible that that has been on the horizon all along.
Yoda stylee:
Impossible it is not, on the horizon it has been, to Roman you listen, remember I do. Oz. Heavy.
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Post by bigblack on Mar 12, 2015 15:26:52 GMT -6
I hoping for the lower end of the uncertainty and not the upper end. I don't know how'll I'll be able to wear a 28 oz jacket
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Post by wisdom on Mar 12, 2015 15:56:55 GMT -6
Thinking about it, this is actually quite a shrewd way of getting a longer term interest-free loan. By creating an exclusivity, limited run factor, people jump in not wanting to miss out, and then by saying (hopefully?) September delivery, it'll be Christmas before the rumblings of discontent start. That means he gets 10 months of the punters' money before needing to drip-feed deliveries. And of course by that time the Boise, Idaho factory will be "almost ready" and everything will soon be wonderful. Isn't this a description of G's business model, too? Some major differences (and similarities) on execution but same exclusivity, limited run, FOMO.. |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 16:50:13 GMT -6
Roman probably gave names to his looms I'm just uneasy with this being pitched as a "Collaboration". Probably being billed as such since it's a collaboration with the Supima people. They were working something out a couple weeks ago, there's a pic on instagram. |
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Post by marauder on Mar 12, 2015 16:56:00 GMT -6
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Post by jray on Mar 12, 2015 16:59:01 GMT -6
Early on, Roman said he was getting a heavy denim fabric from Japan that would take a number of months. Never happened which is not a big deal.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 17:02:33 GMT -6
I'm pretty certain they're making it themselves, I'm sure they're out there, but there aren't any slevedge looms running in capacity in the US anywhere other than North Carolina. Ciano is working with someone making selvedge in Texas, but I'm pretty certain that's small batch. I may back it later, as my tan x tan fit damn near perfect (just finishing my first day of wearing them all day), but I think I'd rather have some Oni or PBJ, since heavyweight isn't something I'm necessarily after, but I can always go for a unique Japanese fabric.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 12, 2015 19:10:02 GMT -6
I'm pretty certain they're making it themselves, I'm sure they're out there, but there aren't any slevedge looms running in capacity in the US anywhere other than North Carolina. Ciano is working with someone making selvedge in Texas, but I'm pretty certain that's small batch. I may back it later, as my tan x tan fit damn near perfect (just finishing my first day of wearing them all day), but I think I'd rather have some Oni or PBJ, since heavyweight isn't something I'm necessarily after, but I can always go for a unique Japanese fabric. oh, and the lack of response to my pocket-bag mishap is another reason I'm not jumping at the opportunity to give them money. I really couldn't be happier with the fit, though, especially as they break in a little bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 21:23:00 GMT -6
This is Roman putting his looms to work finally.... It is done as a different company name from LD&Co. Sounds perfectly fine to me. That part is no problem but..... Having these looms and actually producing quality fabric are two different animals. The whole process seems very specialized to me. |
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Post by marauder on Mar 12, 2015 22:20:54 GMT -6
The process seems quite complex. It's interesting, the indigo tank has a danger, corrosive sign on it.
I don't quite get the need for LD to diversify into another business while the core one is quite poorly managed. It's quite analogous to G selling water bottles and trinkets while the shirts are coming in misaligned. Anyways, I wish LD the best and if they can pull it off, hats off to them.
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Post by drstrange on Mar 13, 2015 3:37:55 GMT -6
They are making the denim themselves to make a better quality denim and still keep costs down I imagine. They are going all out full speed ahead with the businesses if they can handle it or not. When it is all said and done there will either be a truly great denim company in America like no other before that will thrive for years to come or there won't. Fingers crossed it all works out. running a loom might not be rocket-science, however I suppose you need to be skilled and trained nevertheless ... "make better quality" is a nice vision and will require a. a 100% understanding of what you are doing (this is just to produce the "standard quality") b. trial and errors in process changes giving LD the benefit of a. (which is by no way guaranteed) would in this instance mean, b. goes entirely at the risk of backers of these "somewhere around 24oz" - maybe you're lucky, maybe you're not I understand, some here have backed it out of curiosity and sort of like a collectors item - that's fine (as long as some day in far future you will receive your item) ... those like me, who actually buy garments only to wear them, are better of staying put (even by omitting the issue of when and if at all the item is going to be shipped) just my 5cts |
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Post by wisdom on Mar 13, 2015 4:01:52 GMT -6
They are making the denim themselves to make a better quality denim and still keep costs down I imagine. They are going all out full speed ahead with the businesses if they can handle it or not. When it is all said and done there will either be a truly great denim company in America like no other before that will thrive for years to come or there won't. Fingers crossed it all works out. running a loom might not be rocket-science, however I suppose you need to be skilled and trained nevertheless ... "make better quality" is a nice vision and will require a. a 100% understanding of what you are doing (this is just to produce the "standard quality") b. trial and errors in process changes giving LD the benefit of a. (which is by no way guaranteed) would in this instance mean, b. goes entirely at the risk of backers of these "somewhere around 24oz" - maybe you're lucky, maybe you're not I understand, some here have backed it out of curiosity and sort of like a collectors item - that's fine (as long as some day in far future you will receive your item) ... those like me, who actually buy garments only to wear them, are better of staying put (even by omitting the issue of when and if at all the item is going to be shipped) just my 5cts I agree that running a loom probably isn't rocket science. The fact that so many parameters can be changed (tension, denier, yarn, etc.) and still produce unique characteristics and wearable fabrics means, to me, that the process is pretty robust when all you're trying to do is turn yarns into fabric. Variation is introduced voluntarily, in many cases, after all. What I'm slightly hesitant about is experimentation on LD's part often means delays or unexpected(ly bad) outcomes on our part. I'd feel more comfortable knowing why LD believes a first run fabric will result in such a wide deviation in the final weight of the fabric. Are they adjusting and keying in on parameters during startup and using whatever product is created during the adjustment phase? If it's uncertainty and not experience that causes this variation, I'm better off way at the back of this bus =) Either way, this action by LD guarantees forum amusement sometime around September  |
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Post by wdw on Mar 13, 2015 4:53:47 GMT -6
I'm not prepared to pay good money to be part of their experiment and learning process.
If anything, the early adopters should be getting a hefty discount and told not to expect perfection or have any fixed ideas about delivery dates.
I'd rather spend a few dollars more and get 25oz Iron Heart from Japan next week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 6:11:26 GMT -6
I wish we had a member here with experience in this trade. I can only relate it to once working in a large machine shop as a machine operator. I was given very basic training, just enough to get the job done. Running one machine, doing one process on one part and told if there were any problems shut it down and get "Bob". So being a loom operator may be low skill but you have to have a "Bob" to set it up, make adjustments, trouble shoot etc. this would apply to many of the processes. Each of the "Bobs" would have many years of hands on experience working under other "Bobs" who were trained using the knowledge gained by previous "Bobs". Standard operation in the trades for many, many years.
If Roman had hired a "Bob" wouldn't he be proud of it and let the denim world know? That would make great press for him.
"I hired Bob from NC who has XX years experience in textile production specializing in denim production"
Without this I can't take him serious at all and it brings into question his thought processes and his motivations.
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Post by bigblack on Mar 13, 2015 9:51:31 GMT -6
I'd rather spend a few dollars more and get 25oz Iron Heart from Japan next week. Yeah 4x the dollars. When you're tenured in your job it's ok. Not for a struggling college grad that is forced to live at home with the parents. I'm sticking with LD for the price. If i had to wait to make the money then I can wait for the product to be made |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 9:55:25 GMT -6
I'd rather spend a few dollars more and get 25oz Iron Heart from Japan next week. Yeah 4x the dollars. When you're tenured in your job it's ok. Not for a struggling college grad that is forced to live at home with the parents. I'm sticking with LD for the price. If i had to wait to make the money then I can wait for the product to be made Eh not 4x, more like $100 more. |
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Post by bigblack on Mar 13, 2015 10:27:49 GMT -6
Yeah 4x the dollars. When you're tenured in your job it's ok. Not for a struggling college grad that is forced to live at home with the parents. I'm sticking with LD for the price. If i had to wait to make the money then I can wait for the product to be made Eh not 4x, more like $100 more. Some of us aren't blessed to have our sizes on rakuten (38+) and will be forced to go to Selfedge or R&H |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 11:21:26 GMT -6
I mean, no one is forcing you to do anything.
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Post by drstrange on Mar 13, 2015 12:01:10 GMT -6
bigblackthere's a saying here: "I can't afford cheap" .... I appreciate the jeans, even at full price, sound tempting - provided (and these are the two unknown in the equation) you will actually receive them and they are wearable (by yourself or even by any third party if you finally decide wanting to sell them) ... if you are short of disposable funds then it's for sure better to invest say USD 300 knowing what you get, than USD 150 with the risk of getting nothing (or nothing useable) ...
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