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Post by northcoast on Jan 2, 2017 15:14:47 GMT -6
Looking for a little advice. I have a pair of the 20 oz. anniversary indigo denim. The fit is spot on. I'm 10-15 wears in and they are still pretty stiff/uncomfortable. Bending over to put on shoes and socks is painful. I was thinking of doing a cold soak to see if I can get a little starch out and soften them up. My concern with the soak though is shrink. I really don't have a lot to give on this pair. So there's the question...do a cold soak or grit my teeth and "trust the process". I did a hot soak on mine, never measured them though. I did put them on right before I soaked them then right after they dried. Left them in the tub for about an hour. I did not notice a ton of shrink in them but they did soften up a bit. I only have about 6 hours on them and they are noticeably softer and more malleable post soak and with that little time on them.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 3, 2017 7:37:02 GMT -6
Any shrink you get with a cold soak will stretch back out. The only real risk is inseam, which is my issue with my 20oz. May never wash them. Did a cold water soak yesterday. I have plenty to give on the inseam. They're still drying, but I'll probably wear them tomorrow. I'll report back. I'm hopeful.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 4, 2017 8:49:03 GMT -6
Well, after a cold water soak of about an hour, they are definitely softer, but there seems to be some significant shrink. I can't give you numbers, cuz I didn't measure before or after, but they subjectively feel much tighter in the thigh, knee and, to a lesser extent, calf. There is was also maybe an inch or so shrink in the inseam (which is ok, I had a 4 inch cuff before the soak). I've only worn them for about 2-3 hours, so there maybe some stretch left to go, we'll see.
Now for the philosophical portion of this post: When do you think its time to move on from a pair of denim? I think they look good and the denim is cool, but I don't really look forward to wearing these...they're just not that comfortable. It feels like a job to put them on and wear them for the day. On the other hand, I feel like I have nurtured and coddled these jeans for almost a year now. Ordered them last February, received the first pair that was too small in June, returned those, got a second pair in October that fit well (but fabric was super stiff), had the top button pop off, fixed that, had the stitching come off the top buttton hole, fixed that and now still not something I really want to wear. I guess at ~$110 bucks, its not like they were the most expensive pair, but I also don't feel like I've given them much of a chance. I don't know.
When I think back to my first pair of raw denim, they were pretty uncomfortable for the first six months or so, but now they're soft and super comfy. Now that I have a bit more money and am approaching 40, maybe I don't have the patience for that kind of thing anymore.
Probably overthinking it. I should just go to my local denim shop and buy the Left Field 18 oz Collect Mills and be done with it.
What say you forum? Should I: A) Donate/sell the jeans and get the LF NYC (or something close) B) Give them the rest of the winter and re-evaluate in March C) Suck it up and commit to them
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Post by bentin on Jan 4, 2017 9:36:24 GMT -6
I've barely worn mine, between the summer and the button fly repair, I just didn't get a real chance to put much wear on them. I also had my 22oz Oni that I hadn't worn much and have since committed to putting wear on those. So the Ciano are sort of out of rotation right now.
Mine aren't washed yet, but I actually find them pretty comfortable. They're not as soft as my 22oz Oni or as crunchy and neppy as my 20oz Oni; more of a uniform, tighter weave. They're a little inflexible compared to the much more open weave Oni, but much less so than my Gustin Okayamas. I like them though, and once the heavier Oni are good and broken in, or it gets colder (the Oni aren't warm at all) I'll come back to them.
You own them, tuck them away and get the LF's you want. If you don't come back to them next season, send them to a new home.
So A, with a side of B.
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Post by devastitis on Jan 4, 2017 10:07:40 GMT -6
I keep forgetting I have a pair of these. Haven't worn mine once.
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Post by bentin on Jan 4, 2017 10:13:54 GMT -6
I keep forgetting I have a pair of these. Haven't worn mine once. Have you worn any indigo jeans recently?
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Post by devastitis on Jan 4, 2017 10:14:55 GMT -6
I keep forgetting I have a pair of these. Haven't worn mine once. Have you worn any indigo jeans recently? i haven't worn any denim in general lately. When I do, I usually reach for the Taupes.
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Post by bentin on Jan 4, 2017 10:27:37 GMT -6
Have you worn any indigo jeans recently? i haven't worn any denim in general lately. When I do, I usually reach for the Taupes. I'd make fun of you if I hadn't worn my Oni Olives yesterday. How's London going?
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Post by devastitis on Jan 4, 2017 10:36:36 GMT -6
i haven't worn any denim in general lately. When I do, I usually reach for the Taupes. I'd make fun of you if I hadn't worn my Oni Olives yesterday. How's London going? london is a lot of fun, like a fancier Seattle. I'm staying in soho so everything is walking distance. Just got my feet sized at C&J in case I jump in some SF gmtos.
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Post by northcoast on Jan 4, 2017 11:59:55 GMT -6
I'd make fun of you if I hadn't worn my Oni Olives yesterday. How's London going? london is a lot of fun, like a fancier Seattle. I'm staying in soho so everything is walking distance. Just got my feet sized at C&J in case I jump in some SF gmtos. Make it to Jermyn street yet or don't trust yourself there?
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Post by devastitis on Jan 4, 2017 15:25:07 GMT -6
london is a lot of fun, like a fancier Seattle. I'm staying in soho so everything is walking distance. Just got my feet sized at C&J in case I jump in some SF gmtos. Make it to Jermyn street yet or don't trust yourself there? thats where c&j was.
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Post by northcoast on Jan 4, 2017 15:28:11 GMT -6
Make it to Jermyn street yet or don't trust yourself there? thats where c&j was. I eagerly await your thread "what I bought while I was in London". I have fond memories of the girls at Davidoff that follow you around with the plate waiting for you to put your cigar selections on them. The room with all Cubans in it was delightful too. And Trickers. Have fun!
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Post by northcoast on Jan 5, 2017 12:01:10 GMT -6
Wearing my anniversary jeans today for only the second time and loving them. It's 17 here and I can walk around outside and my legs are perfectly comfortable.
Additionally, super excited about the cinch back as I don't need a belt.
Pretty close to ordering another pair and leaning towards the Brown Herringbone.
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Post by Winterland on Jan 12, 2017 23:56:26 GMT -6
Well, after a cold water soak of about an hour, they are definitely softer, but there seems to be some significant shrink. I can't give you numbers, cuz I didn't measure before or after, but they subjectively feel much tighter in the thigh, knee and, to a lesser extent, calf. There is was also maybe an inch or so shrink in the inseam (which is ok, I had a 4 inch cuff before the soak). I've only worn them for about 2-3 hours, so there maybe some stretch left to go, we'll see. Now for the philosophical portion of this post: When do you think its time to move on from a pair of denim? I think they look good and the denim is cool, but I don't really look forward to wearing these...they're just not that comfortable. It feels like a job to put them on and wear them for the day. On the other hand, I feel like I have nurtured and coddled these jeans for almost a year now. Ordered them last February, received the first pair that was too small in June, returned those, got a second pair in October that fit well (but fabric was super stiff), had the top button pop off, fixed that, had the stitching come off the top buttton hole, fixed that and now still not something I really want to wear. I guess at ~$110 bucks, its not like they were the most expensive pair, but I also don't feel like I've given them much of a chance. I don't know. When I think back to my first pair of raw denim, they were pretty uncomfortable for the first six months or so, but now they're soft and super comfy. Now that I have a bit more money and am approaching 40, maybe I don't have the patience for that kind of thing anymore. Probably overthinking it. I should just go to my local denim shop and buy the Left Field 18 oz Collect Mills and be done with it. What say you forum? Should I: A) Donate/sell the jeans and get the LF NYC (or something close) B) Give them the rest of the winter and re-evaluate in March C) Suck it up and commit to them Personally I would wear the hell out of them. I love my Black 16OZ. They were stiff but not as stiff as say my Naked and Famous Elephant 4. I tend to wear all my denim for a week in a row then rotate. Sometimes when I first get them I wear a month straight. Give that a try. If there is a certain area that is still tight a little stretching of some kind would be worth a try.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 13, 2017 7:46:19 GMT -6
Despite Winterland 's advice, I think I'm moving on from the CF anniversary jeans. I'd like them to go to a good home though. I think I paid around $110 for them. I'm not looking to make my money back. It's either sell them here, or they go to Goodwill. I'll take the cost of shipping plus a little bit more for my time...say $30. As I said, they are 20 oz indigo, the 901 cut, probably 10-15 wears with a single cold water soak and hang dry. If you squint hard, you can maybe see some early fading around the pockets, but these are basically pristine. I did a very quick measure last night and the waist is about 17", thigh (1" down from crotch) is 12", I didn't measure the inseam, but its probably at least 35". Let me know if there is any interest and I can post pix and more complete measurements. Edit: My recent success with LF NYC proved I don't have to punish myself to wear clothes. They should be enjoyable and I wasn't getting enjoyment out of these. They're just too small.
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Post by northcoast on Jan 13, 2017 9:33:16 GMT -6
Well that's too bad, but good for someone else. Being comfortable is kindof important.
I'm actually looking forward to the weather getting cold again so I can wear mine but it was 55 yesterday up here on the balmy shores of Lake Erie.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 13, 2017 10:10:13 GMT -6
Well that's too bad, but good for someone else. Being comfortable is kindof important. I'm actually looking forward to the weather getting cold again so I can wear mine but it was 55 yesterday up here on the balmy shores of Lake Erie. Yeah, lesson learned. Unfortunately most of the lessons I learn lately have some monetary consequence. In the grand scheme of things, it could be worse.
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Post by northcoast on Jan 13, 2017 10:21:25 GMT -6
Well that's too bad, but good for someone else. Being comfortable is kindof important. I'm actually looking forward to the weather getting cold again so I can wear mine but it was 55 yesterday up here on the balmy shores of Lake Erie. Yeah, lesson learned. Unfortunately most of the lessons I learn lately have some monetary consequence. In the grand scheme of things, it could be worse. Oh I had my doubts when I received them and almost sold mine unworn, but they are breaking in nicely. Well, except for the bleeding on the shoes part which limits what I can wear with them, thats my lesson learned on this pair.
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Post by DigDug on Jan 13, 2017 10:26:38 GMT -6
I've decided that anything 17oz+ is not for me.
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Post by bentin on Jan 13, 2017 10:31:58 GMT -6
I've decided that anything 17oz+ is not for me. My three pair of 20+ oz denim think you're being silly.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 13, 2017 11:15:07 GMT -6
I've decided that anything 17oz+ is not for me. My experience with denim is basically nothing, but I'm surprised at the difference in feel between the 20 oz. CF fabric and the 18 oz LF NYC fabric. I would never guess there is only a 2 oz difference between the two. The 20 oz fabric is much stiffer. Almost feels like you're bending cardstock. I wouldn't say the 18 oz. is soft, but its definitely more pliable. Moving forward, I think I will try to put my hands on a heavier fabric before buying. It seems like there is less of a risk with lighter weight denim. The problem is, I don't think anyone sells Oni or IH or whatever within 500 miles of me.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 13, 2017 21:08:43 GMT -6
Well that's too bad, but good for someone else. Being comfortable is kindof important. I'm actually looking forward to the weather getting cold again so I can wear mine but it was 55 yesterday up here on the balmy shores of Lake Erie. Yeah, lesson learned. Unfortunately most of the lessons I learn lately have some monetary consequence. In the grand scheme of things, it could be worse. You can always make more money, or borrow it from the russians.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 15:35:54 GMT -6
I've decided that anything 17oz+ is not for me. My experience with denim is basically nothing, but I'm surprised at the difference in feel between the 20 oz. CF fabric and the 18 oz LF NYC fabric. I would never guess there is only a 2 oz difference between the two. The 20 oz fabric is much stiffer. Almost feels like you're bending cardstock. I wouldn't say the 18 oz. is soft, but its definitely more pliable. Moving forward, I think I will try to put my hands on a heavier fabric before buying. It seems like there is less of a risk with lighter weight denim. The problem is, I don't think anyone sells Oni or IH or whatever within 500 miles of me. there's just a wide variety of factors other than pure weight. my 20oz Onis are more comfortable, cooler, and have more stretch than some of the 14-16oz stuff i've owned. Weave density, starch content, fit, etc all play a factor. like you said, being able to feel and/or try on something prior to purchase might be a key factor for a lot of people and more of a crapshoot for those who aren't able to find stuff locally.
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Post by nate001 on Jan 16, 2017 7:19:26 GMT -6
Yeah, lesson learned. Unfortunately most of the lessons I learn lately have some monetary consequence. In the grand scheme of things, it could be worse. You can always make more money, or borrow it from the russians. My favorite quote from my farmer grandfather: "Money's like manure. You've got to spread it around for it to do any good."
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Post by bentin on Jan 23, 2017 13:32:49 GMT -6
Blew the top button off my repaired Anniversary 20oz. It's officially time for a diet!
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