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Post by jbreitenbucher on Nov 22, 2015 16:50:33 GMT -6
Thanks scooter I'll give them a warm soak. Do you soak 'em inside out or right-side out? |
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Post by scooter on Nov 22, 2015 17:19:16 GMT -6
Thanks scooter I'll give them a warm soak. Do you soak 'em inside out or right-side out? I've never come across a colored weft that required a rightside out soak. So, I'd say inside out, as you would with any other denim. |
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Post by bugula on Nov 22, 2015 19:21:03 GMT -6
Guess the earlier listing was not correct as they took it down almost immediately. The xx-010 are now live on the site. Looks like they are out of 33 and 34 one wash. I went with the 34 raw based on the BiG sizing for after a wash. Does anyone know if the BiG after a wash/soak is using a cold/warm/hot soak? The 34 raw has a 27 inch waist to start and I'm a 34-35 inch waist depending on rise. I figure it was better to go with the 34 raw and have them be a little big after a cold soak and be able to warm or hot soak them than go with a 33 and have them be small. i'd assume hot soak/wash as the shrinkage in the washed measurements is usually fairly high. |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 22, 2015 20:58:12 GMT -6
So RAW Im right on 36 so If I were to buy this I should go to 38 then hot soak?
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Post by scooter on Nov 22, 2015 21:19:45 GMT -6
So RAW Im right on 36 so If I were to buy this I should go to 38 then hot soak? If you have a 36" waist, and you're buying raw(non-wash), you would buy size 36, which has a 38.5" waist, pre-soak. After hot soaking, the waist should be around 36". |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 22, 2015 21:30:24 GMT -6
So RAW Im right on 36 so If I were to buy this I should go to 38 then hot soak? If you have a 36" waist, and you're buying raw(non-wash), you would buy size 36, which has a 38.5" waist, pre-soak. After hot soaking, the waist should be around 36". Ok. SOrry, I was not clear. Im a 36 in vanity sizing which normally comes in at around 38.5 In G's I buy 38's. In this chart, the prewash 36 is right on at 38.5 but the 38's post-wash is about 3/4" to an inch too big at 39.4. So I guess do a warm wash then have them taken in. |
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Post by scooter on Nov 22, 2015 22:06:29 GMT -6
If you have a 36" waist, and you're buying raw(non-wash), you would buy size 36, which has a 38.5" waist, pre-soak. After hot soaking, the waist should be around 36". Ok. SOrry, I was not clear. Im a 36 in vanity sizing which normally comes in at around 38.5 In G's I buy 38's. In this chart, the prewash 36 is right on at 38.5 but the 38's post-wash is about 3/4" to an inch too big at 39.4. So I guess do a warm wash then have them taken in. Raw size 38 has a 40" waist spec, pre-soak, on both Blue in Green and Okayama Denim. You get the 38, and warm soak them, and they will shrink to around 38. Edit: If you were to get the 36, even with a cold soak they will shrink too much for you. |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 22, 2015 22:13:48 GMT -6
Thanks man, much appreciated.
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Post by scooter on Nov 22, 2015 22:19:57 GMT -6
All this talk has me wanting to pull the trigger on a pair. But, I'm hoping PBJ has another run of the 24oz purple face in the works.
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Post by northcoast on Nov 22, 2015 22:47:02 GMT -6
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Post by scooter on Nov 22, 2015 23:40:50 GMT -6
The 24-010 are $438 on BiG. But, denimio sells them for $321. It's a far cry better buying direct from Japan, right now. I've overspent my clothing budget by quite a bit, over the past year. But, I'd rather get the horses in the stable before the yen trends back up. |
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Post by bugula on Nov 23, 2015 10:04:16 GMT -6
So RAW Im right on 36 so If I were to buy this I should go to 38 then hot soak? If you have a 36" waist, and you're buying raw(non-wash), you would buy size 36, which has a 38.5" waist, pre-soak. After hot soaking, the waist should be around 36". don't want to get anyone stuck with a pair of unwearable 010s but i'd size down. i went with a 34 when i go 36 in PBJ and there is still plenty of room in the waist after a warm soak. |
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2015 11:58:13 GMT -6
If you have a 36" waist, and you're buying raw(non-wash), you would buy size 36, which has a 38.5" waist, pre-soak. After hot soaking, the waist should be around 36". don't want to get anyone stuck with a pair of unwearable 010s but i'd size down. i went with a 34 when i go 36 in PBJ and there is still plenty of room in the waist after a warm soak. I wouldn't want that, either. I am only speaking from personal experience with the brand, as well. I normally wear size 36, with the only exception being Gustin(35 straight). With other brands, I'm sure I could go 35, too. But, most of them don't offer a 35. My PBJ started at a hair under 38" in the waist. A 95°-100° soak shrunk the waist to 35.5"(nearly 2.5" of shrinkage). If he is a Gustin 38(38.5" waist), I just can't bring myself to recommend nabbing a size 36, which is 38.5" pre-soak. It is conceivable he could do a 30-45 minute cold soak, keep the shrinkage to a minimum, and have them work for him. Other factors, like thigh size, and being sewn small, could affect the outcome, though. It really comes down to his comfort level. |
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Post by bugula on Nov 23, 2015 12:40:51 GMT -6
they'd stretch out though to account for that.
i keep ending up with unsanforized jeans that are too big in the waist because i'm too scared to size down or because the shrink measurements are exaggerated. PBJs don't seem to shrink much if you go warm (and I've done hot too with negligible shrinkage after warm soaks).
i do go 36 on tight tapered though because of the thigh measurement. so if the waist is the main concern, sizing down should be ok.
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2015 13:03:22 GMT -6
they'd stretch out though to account for that. i keep ending up with unsanforized jeans that are too big in the waist because i'm too scared to size down or because the shrink measurements are exaggerated. PBJs don't seem to shrink much if you go warm (and I've done hot too with negligible shrinkage after warm soaks). i do go 36 on tight tapered though because of the thigh measurement. so if the waist is the main concern, sizing down should be ok. It never ceases to amaze me, the different experiences we all have, when it comes to sizing, and overall results. I will concede, if he is comfortable with the thigh measurement for the 36, it's worth a go. In his case, I wouldn't venture into anything other than a cold soak, initially. That may be overly cautious. But, that is how I would go about it, if I were sizing down. Most importantly, I hope we're giving good enough advice, that results in a positive result for him. |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 23, 2015 13:11:10 GMT -6
Yeah, the waist would be the main concern as I don't have super big thighs and fit into G Slims fine.
I would never have to do a hot soak I suppose. Being new to this though, seems like buying up and warm soaking might take a lot of guesswork out of it?
The ONE WASH chart puts me right in the middle.
36 37.4
38 39.4
**Available in either Raw or One Wash denim fabric. Raw denim will shrink 1-2 inches around the waist after wash.
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2015 13:30:42 GMT -6
Yeah, the waist would be the main concern as I don't have super big thighs and fit into G Slims fine. I would never have to do a hot soak I suppose. Being new to this though, seems like buying up and warm soaking might take a lot of guesswork out of it? The ONE WASH chart puts me right in the middle. 36 37.4 38 39.4 **Available in either Raw or One Wash denim fabric. Raw denim will shrink 1-2 inches around the waist after wash. I'd be cautious with those one-wash measurements. While OD's specs for raw mesh well with BiG. The one-wash specs are quite different. BiG lists them as... 36.25" for size 36 38.5" for size 38 |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 23, 2015 13:38:02 GMT -6
So 38 it is then.
Man, never guessed buying jeans would take this much work.
Holy Cow.
So another thought I had, how often do these things get released?
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Post by exophobe on Nov 23, 2015 13:50:48 GMT -6
So 38 it is then. Man, never guessed buying jeans would take this much work. Holy Cow. So another thought I had, how often do these things get released? Rarely. I think jbreitenbucher has been waiting something like a year. |
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Post by Old26 on Nov 23, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -6
So 38 it is then. Man, never guessed buying jeans would take this much work. Holy Cow. So another thought I had, how often do these things get released? Then don't even contemplate a leather jacket...custom leather jacket  |
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Post by northcoast on Nov 23, 2015 14:08:34 GMT -6
So 38 it is then. Man, never guessed buying jeans would take this much work. Holy Cow. So another thought I had, how often do these things get released? Then don't even contemplate a leather jacket...custom leather jacket You know, I have not owned one for decades and rarely see any that I like out in public. But I'm guessing I could find one I liked if I had some control over the leather and the cut. I do have my feet wet with custom boots........ |
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2015 14:30:20 GMT -6
So 38 it is then. Man, never guessed buying jeans would take this much work. Holy Cow. So another thought I had, how often do these things get released? There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to their release. In reading about them on Pure Blue Japan Wiki, the previous release was roughly a year and a half ago, in June of 2014. There is an inherent irony to purchasing raws. As easy as you'd think it would be to buy jeans, sizing questions force you to scrutinize your purchase more thoroughly. Considering the amount of money you are forking out for them, putting them through an adequate vetting is important, anyway. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Nov 23, 2015 20:21:31 GMT -6
I just contacted them to see if I can switch for a 33 raw. Looking more closely at the sizing chart on Okayama and BiG, I think a 33 with a cold soak might be better in the long run than a 34 with a hot soak.
Okayama
Raw 33 35 10.75 14.5 12.25 8.25 37 7.75
Washed 33 34.6 10.2 13.9 12.1 8.3 35 8.3
Raw 34 36 10.75 14.75 12.75 8.5 37 8.25
Washed 34 35.6 10.4 14 12.4 8.5 35 8.3
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Raw 33 36 10.5 14.75 12.25 8.75 8.75 37.25
Washed 33 33 10 14 12 8.5 8.5 35.25
Raw 34 37 10.75 15 13 9.25 9.25 37.25
Washed 34 34.75 10.25 14 12.25 8.5 8.5 35.5
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Post by scooter on Nov 23, 2015 20:50:22 GMT -6
I just contacted them to see if I can switch for a 33 raw. Looking more closely at the sizing chart on Okayama and BiG, I think a 33 with a cold soak might be better in the long run than a 34 with a hot soak. Okayama Raw 33 35 10.75 14.5 12.25 8.25 37 7.75 Washed 33 34.6 10.2 13.9 12.1 8.3 35 8.3 Raw 34 36 10.75 14.75 12.75 8.5 37 8.25 Washed 34 35.6 10.4 14 12.4 8.5 35 8.3 BiG Raw 33 36 10.5 14.75 12.25 8.75 8.75 37.25 Washed 33 33 10 14 12 8.5 8.5 35.25 Raw 34 37 10.75 15 13 9.25 9.25 37.25 Washed 34 34.75 10.25 14 12.25 8.5 8.5 35.5 Man, those specs are crazy ! Okayamas numbers seem within reason, for the top block and thigh, but from the knee down the raws start out smaller than the washed. It's as if they are using tight tapered specs. BiG's waist measurements are weird, too. Checking the whole chart at BiG, I noticed size 27 & 28 raws start at 1.5" over tag, 29 - 32 are 2" over tag, 33 & 34 jump to 3" over tag, but 36 & 38 drop back to around 2". Size 33 and 34 having 36" and 37" waists, respectively, seems really off. |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Nov 23, 2015 21:04:18 GMT -6
scooter yeah, that's why I'm hemming and hawing. Each chart has issues and it's hard to know what to go with but I think I can make the 33 work based on what people have been saying here.
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