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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 15:53:56 GMT -6
First email from them:
Hey Shawn,
I cannot completely see in the pictures (they are very zoomed in). We haven't had this issue with other customers, so this is fresh ground for us as well. More importantly, what would you like to do? To be straightforward, as far as I can tell in the pictures of the leather, it looks like you are giving the boots pretty good wear around the toe. You are going to still be able to beat those up pretty hard without the soles falling of. It should also be something that a cobbler could fix pretty easily. We couldn't do a full refund, but happy to figure out a solution if you want to return them. Just let me know.
Best, Nolan & Connor
Second email from them:
Hey Shawn,
Could we hop on a call to discuss? Would like you to be happy with the boots and come to a good solution.
Best, Nolan
That was last Friday. I emailed back and said that I just want to return the boots for a replacement. I see no need to discuss it on the phone. And I told them that other than this, I really love the boots. I've resent the email two more times. So far no response back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 15:55:57 GMT -6
First email from them: Hey Shawn, I cannot completely see in the pictures (they are very zoomed in). We haven't had this issue with other customers, so this is fresh ground for us as well. More importantly, what would you like to do? To be straightforward, as far as I can tell in the pictures of the leather, it looks like you are giving the boots pretty good wear around the toe. You are going to still be able to beat those up pretty hard without the soles falling of. It should also be something that a cobbler could fix pretty easily. We couldn't do a full refund, but happy to figure out a solution if you want to return them. Just let me know. Best, Nolan & Connor Second email from them: Hey Shawn, Could we hop on a call to discuss? Would like you to be happy with the boots and come to a good solution. Best, Nolan That was last Friday. I emailed back and said that I just want to return the boots for a replacement. I see no need to discuss it on the phone. And I told them that other than this, I really love the boots. I've resent the email two more times. So far no response back. Totally agree. It should be painless and they should either refund your money or just replace them with another pair.
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 15:58:13 GMT -6
And today, I posted the above pictures on their Facebook page. I'm hoping that gets their attention!
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 16:01:28 GMT -6
They don't even have any warranty policy posted on their web site.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 16:09:11 GMT -6
They don't even have any warranty policy posted on their web site. I can understand your frustration. It is a new company and just give them a chance a fix it for you. I am sure members here are now paying close attention to their customer service, based on your experience.
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Post by Old26 on Jan 15, 2015 16:25:43 GMT -6
They don't even have any warranty policy posted on their web site. There ain't no such thing as a good cheap leather jacket or pair of boots/shoes. That's my opinion only. Those items are too difficult to pull off with less than excellent skills and materials.
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 16:29:25 GMT -6
I have a year old pair of Dr. Martins that look better then these month old Thursday's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 17:13:35 GMT -6
They don't even have any warranty policy posted on their web site. I can understand your frustration. It is a new company and just give them a chance a fix it for you. I am sure members here are now paying close attention to their customer service, based on your experience. I'd be pretty upset too that it fell apart that soon, but I don't remember a boots company allowing for a return after a month's worth of wears. I guess Kickstarters and startups may be different, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 17:26:41 GMT -6
I can understand your frustration. It is a new company and just give them a chance a fix it for you. I am sure members here are now paying close attention to their customer service, based on your experience. I'd be pretty upset too that it fell apart that soon, but I don't remember a boots company allowing for a return after a month's worth of wears. I guess Kickstarters and startups may be different, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If it is Allen Edmond, my SA will take them back. Unsure about this company but hope it works out for shawn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 17:36:25 GMT -6
I'd be pretty upset too that it fell apart that soon, but I don't remember a boots company allowing for a return after a month's worth of wears. I guess Kickstarters and startups may be different, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If it is Allen Edmond, my SA will take them back. Unsure about this company but hope it works out for shawn. That's true. Forgot about AE. Don't own any boots from them, so didn't consider them when I stated that. But AE is remarkable in that aspect.
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 18:24:58 GMT -6
I just got an email from them:
Hi Shawn,
Alright- no need to hop on a call. Apologies for the delay, I just got your facebook message. Not sure what you want us to do here. I wanted to hop on a call to better understand how this happened and how we can come to a mutually tolerable solution. From the pictures, it looks like the boots were worn pretty hard. For the delamination/separation, want to take it to a cobbler and send us the bill? We've want to be generous with our return and exchange policy, but we would appreciate your understanding that we are a young startup as well. Could sending the boot to a cobbler work?
Best, Nolan
My response was:
I do understand that you are a young start up. Although, that shouldn't make a difference to the consumer. That doesn't give you a right to sell me an inferior pair of boots, with basically no warranty. I would think you would want these boots back in order to see what's going on. Unless, you already know about the problem and don't want them back?? I don't know what a cobbler could do, but glue them back together and have them come apart again in a short time. This is a warranty issue and I would appreciate it if it was handled that way. Being a warranty issue the maker should cover this for you and possibly learn something from it. I was planning on buying a pair in the natural color. I have to say, because of this reluctance to handle this for me, that is completely out of the question. I think a fair middle ground between a refund and you paying to have a badly built pair of boots fixed by a cobbler, is for me to send them back for an exchange. And by, "badly built pair of boots or inferior pair of boots", I am referring to my pair only. I have no idea how well built the others are. It's clear to me that something wasn't done right when my pair were built. So for me, an exchange is the only solution I will except. I will even pay shipping both ways.
Thanks, Shawn Harrington
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 18:29:26 GMT -6
I can understand your frustration. It is a new company and just give them a chance a fix it for you. I am sure members here are now paying close attention to their customer service, based on your experience. I'd be pretty upset too that it fell apart that soon, but I don't remember a boots company allowing for a return after a month's worth of wears. I guess Kickstarters and startups may be different, but I wouldn't hold my breath. My fiancé has taken shoes back for an exchange a couple times because they fell apart, never any questions asked. It's a warranty issue and it should be handled that way. I'm not asking for a refund, just an exchange. I mean, my god, they are only a month old.
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Post by gaseousclay on Jan 15, 2015 20:20:23 GMT -6
They don't even have any warranty policy posted on their web site. There ain't no such thing as a good cheap leather jacket or pair of boots/shoes. That's my opinion only. Those items are too difficult to pull off with less than excellent skills and materials. I agree with you in theory, but I'll give a nod to Thorogood for producing high quality boots made in the USA cheaper than their competitors (ie. Red Wing, Chippewa, Wolverine). But as a general rule you are correct. Leave the boot/leather jacket making to the pros. The shoe damage posted by Shawn looks like the exact damage posted in the Reddit review I saw. TBC is proving to be quite the shit show
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Post by exophobe on Jan 15, 2015 22:44:19 GMT -6
First email from them: *** SNIP *** That was last Friday. I emailed back and said that I just want to return the boots for a replacement. I see no need to discuss it on the phone. And I told them that other than this, I really love the boots. I've resent the email two more times. So far no response back. Though I'm not necessarily annoyed that you posted this, the omission of what was sent back to them is glaring, because the second response looks to be an attempt to de-escalate (speaking from a customer support background). First, yes, you shouldn't have to take month-old boots in for repair, but this is a new company and them's the breaks -- this sort of thing happens with new products. I think they're asking you for other pictures of the boots to see the condition of the rest of the boot (which I'd like to see given your report that they look awful). You have to work with them, and seeing only half of the story, it's hard to pick sides. I wouldn't be happy if my boots were falling apart, but you have to cut some slack, and if you're not open to their attempts to work with you, it makes it very hard for them to help you. It could be that the actual shop that manufactured the boots f'd up, it might be a flaw in the design. These things just got out into the wild, so they've had a very limited feedback loop to date. It's not your fault, but this is part of the risk of working with new companies. Just remember that these are people you're working with, and that you need to give them the benefit of the doubt. To refuse to talk to them on the phone, or if you haven't sent them any more pictures, it would be very hard for them to work with you. I'm not trying to pick a fight, and maybe the boots are garbage, but nothing you've posted here has put me firmly on your side (and the pictures you have provided certainly don't help theirs, with that review out there where the guy pulled on the sole with pliers or pried with a screwdriver or whatever and split it apart).
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Post by shawn on Jan 15, 2015 23:28:35 GMT -6
Sent back? They haven't allowed me to send anything back. That's what I am trying to do. And, they haven't asked me to send more pictures. But, since you asked, here is a picture of the hole pair. Notice how effed up the tounge is from the laces. The leather seems to me to be a very cheap, very light colored leather with a very poor dye job. This is one month of office and around town use. And, I don't even wear them everyday. My newest pair of Doc Martins are two months old and look like new. I have a five year old pair of Aston Greys from DSW that look better then these Thursday's. I can post a pic of them to prove it. These boots fit very well and seem to be cut and shaped and sized very well and the inside is beautiful. But, the build quality on mine is horrible on the outside.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 16, 2015 0:06:09 GMT -6
The tongue looks like it's pulling the wax off of the laces, and with some cleaning (saddle soap? guys?) will likely clear back up. They do look pretty heavily worn for a pair of month-old boots, so I certainly understand your frustration. My main point of contention is that it seems like you're being combative with them as opposed to working with them to find a solution. You've decided what you want to happen, and haven't made any concessions for them (from the looks of the correspondence posted here). I think I'd be disappointed, so I think you're justified in that, but it sounds like they're trying to work with you to find a compromise, rather than doing exactly what you want. I believe there are a couple other guys here who have these, I'd be curious to get some more perspective from people that own them but I think if you go to reddit you'll find there are plenty of people ready to whip you up into a fervor, but I'm hoping you won't find that here.
I honestly think your best option is to see if you can't compromise with them. The way these are made you should be able to take to a cobbler and have them re-soled, better than ever. I might suggest to them, if I were you, that you intend to take them to a cobbler and have them resoled (as opposed to the existing rubber glued back in place), and you want to ensure they're willig to pay for that. Or go to a cobbler, get a price, and tell them what you expect to be reimbursed. Then maybe you can get a real Dainite sole put on there as opposed to the one that's on it. If they refuse, then at least you tried to work with their compromise.
All that said, if you get the assessment from a cobbler, tell them that satisfaction for you is <dollar amount that it's going to take to resole>, and if they refuse, then you insist on refund/replacement, I'm in total agreement with you. Sucks to put all this into a month old pair of boots, but if you end up with a better sole for no additional cost, I think you win here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 10:31:06 GMT -6
shawn, obviously there's a problem with your boots but I don't understand your unwillingness to talk to them on the phone. I think a personal communication would be more productive than emails. Are these CXL leather? It scuffs and marks easily but cleans up well.
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Post by shawn on Jan 16, 2015 12:26:06 GMT -6
I did just email back and say that to have them resoled would be a good option. He didn't say resole in his email, so I didn't think that was an option. I guess I figured that would be just as expensive as replacing them. I'll have to see what they say. I asked him how much they would reimburse and how much I should expect to pay and what soles should be used.
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Post by shawn on Jan 16, 2015 12:36:57 GMT -6
What about Vebram soles?
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Post by denimdon on Jan 16, 2015 13:07:00 GMT -6
Looks like you drag your feet when you walk..
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Post by shawn on Jan 16, 2015 13:21:55 GMT -6
Looks like you drag your feet when you walk.. Haha, no that doesn't happen. so, I already got an email back and Nolan said they could reimburse me $60 to get them resoled. Any more and we'd have to talk. He did mention that Vebram would be a good choice. So, that's what I'm going to do. I'll post pics when they are done and he said that he would also like to see what they look like when finished.
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Post by shawn on Jan 16, 2015 13:23:09 GMT -6
The tongue looks like it's pulling the wax off of the laces, and with some cleaning (saddle soap? guys?) will likely clear back up. They do look pretty heavily worn for a pair of month-old boots, so I certainly understand your frustration. My main point of contention is that it seems like you're being combative with them as opposed to working with them to find a solution. You've decided what you want to happen, and haven't made any concessions for them (from the looks of the correspondence posted here). I think I'd be disappointed, so I think you're justified in that, but it sounds like they're trying to work with you to find a compromise, rather than doing exactly what you want. I believe there are a couple other guys here who have these, I'd be curious to get some more perspective from people that own them but I think if you go to reddit you'll find there are plenty of people ready to whip you up into a fervor, but I'm hoping you won't find that here. I honestly think your best option is to see if you can't compromise with them. The way these are made you should be able to take to a cobbler and have them re-soled, better than ever. I might suggest to them, if I were you, that you intend to take them to a cobbler and have them resoled (as opposed to the existing rubber glued back in place), and you want to ensure they're willig to pay for that. Or go to a cobbler, get a price, and tell them what you expect to be reimbursed. Then maybe you can get a real Dainite sole put on there as opposed to the one that's on it. If they refuse, then at least you tried to work with their compromise. All that said, if you get the assessment from a cobbler, tell them that satisfaction for you is <dollar amount that it's going to take to resole>, and if they refuse, then you insist on refund/replacement, I'm in total agreement with you. Sucks to put all this into a month old pair of boots, but if you end up with a better sole for no additional cost, I think you win here. Thanks for the suggestion. That's the route I'm going to take.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 16, 2015 16:12:54 GMT -6
I did just email back and say that to have them resoled would be a good option. He didn't say resole in his email, so I didn't think that was an option. I guess I figured that would be just as expensive as replacing them. I'll have to see what they say. I asked him how much they would reimburse and how much I should expect to pay and what soles should be used. While he's doing that, I would try to find a cobbler/shoe repair in your area and find out what they're going to charge you. I think you're right in your complaint, though, I think glue in the gap will likely just come apart in another month or so. If he tells you what process he thinks they should use as a repair (instead of resole) then ask your cobbler about that specific process, and whether that is a long term fix.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 16, 2015 16:15:36 GMT -6
The tongue looks like it's pulling the wax off of the laces, and with some cleaning (saddle soap? guys?) will likely clear back up. They do look pretty heavily worn for a pair of month-old boots, so I certainly understand your frustration. My main point of contention is that it seems like you're being combative with them as opposed to working with them to find a solution. You've decided what you want to happen, and haven't made any concessions for them (from the looks of the correspondence posted here). I think I'd be disappointed, so I think you're justified in that, but it sounds like they're trying to work with you to find a compromise, rather than doing exactly what you want. I believe there are a couple other guys here who have these, I'd be curious to get some more perspective from people that own them but I think if you go to reddit you'll find there are plenty of people ready to whip you up into a fervor, but I'm hoping you won't find that here. I honestly think your best option is to see if you can't compromise with them. The way these are made you should be able to take to a cobbler and have them re-soled, better than ever. I might suggest to them, if I were you, that you intend to take them to a cobbler and have them resoled (as opposed to the existing rubber glued back in place), and you want to ensure they're willig to pay for that. Or go to a cobbler, get a price, and tell them what you expect to be reimbursed. Then maybe you can get a real Dainite sole put on there as opposed to the one that's on it. If they refuse, then at least you tried to work with their compromise. All that said, if you get the assessment from a cobbler, tell them that satisfaction for you is <dollar amount that it's going to take to resole>, and if they refuse, then you insist on refund/replacement, I'm in total agreement with you. Sucks to put all this into a month old pair of boots, but if you end up with a better sole for no additional cost, I think you win here. Thanks for the suggestion. That's the route I'm going to take. Glad I could help. Re: Vibram, I find it's not a good "cold-weather-wet-grip" rubber, but there are quite a few different vibram composites. If you can get away with Dainite, then you'll be able to maintain the look of the boots but with the real thing, but I would guess that's one of the more expensive options. I've never had a real Dainite sole, though, so I can't really provide an assessment.
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Post by shawn on Jan 16, 2015 17:34:15 GMT -6
It's going to be $75 to resole with Vibrams. And, I've seen this guys work before. He's like an artist.
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