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Post by exophobe on Aug 17, 2015 10:37:45 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum.
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 17, 2015 10:43:24 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum. And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 17, 2015 10:48:10 GMT -6
I've mentioned this before but I still don't quite understand the secrecy behind Gustin's manufacturing/production sources. People are going to find out eventually and a lot of these manufacturers aren't exactly a big secret, especially the denim producers. Does Gustin think there's some allure for customers to not knowing where their denim is from? Do they think their product is like the secret sauce in a McDonald's Big Mac?
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 17, 2015 10:57:14 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum. And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. Putting holes in a shoe would definitely be skimping on it.  |
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Post by bentin on Aug 17, 2015 11:01:08 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum. And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. This just reinforces the stupidity of making the shoes in Italy and paying to ship Horween to Italy and then bringing it back, with taxes (hopefully 20% EU VAT) on at least one direction. G might need a business consultant, as selling out the 'Made in the USA' thing really seems humorously short sighted. |
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Post by Griffin on Aug 17, 2015 11:29:29 GMT -6
the secret sauce in a McDonald's Big Mac? Thats just mayo, chilisauce and chopped pickles (with the pickles being very important and giving it the BigMac-taste). Try it. I made double mikki-d`s at home ye-haa! |
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Post by andycmd on Aug 17, 2015 11:39:53 GMT -6
And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. Putting holes in a shoe would definitely be skimping on it. Putting holes require labor. Labor is expensive. They'd sell it as a special feature. |
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Post by metals37 on Aug 17, 2015 13:51:25 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum. Wow. Now I just need them to realize they need a captoe version. |
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Post by devastitis on Aug 17, 2015 13:54:12 GMT -6
They just look a tad bit too long for my liking. I feel like there will be crazy creases that will build up over a short period of time in the toe.
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Post by Old26 on Aug 17, 2015 13:59:52 GMT -6
By the way, Gustin has confirmed the $199 price-point is for Horween Chromexcel over on styleforum. To me, the question at this point, is "is there anything about their boots that makes me want to not get a proven boot instead?" Answer for me, "No, there is not". |
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Post by Griffin on Aug 17, 2015 14:44:03 GMT -6
Price and the possibility for many creases since they are long? hehe. No but the customs might kill the deal for me, i gotta think about it. They feel better then the sneakers tho bc price and also its a fairly ok looking boot (for the price) but yeah, there are alot of good boots for almost the same money so its more like...do you have the boots you want already and feel like trying maybe another color or just try out a new boot. I dont feel they are "teh boot to get" if you dont have any boots, thats crazy! i might try another color since they are kinda cheap.
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Post by usctroll on Aug 17, 2015 14:56:00 GMT -6
The boot looks killer for $199. Aesthetically, this thing plays in the OSB and Alden field rather than wolverine/red wing. I have two pair of RW including some Iron Rangers, but those are medium chunky all weather boots in comparison. When the sizing reports come back and a pair comes out in black or black cherry I will buy then to wear to work with nice chinos.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 17, 2015 15:41:46 GMT -6
And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. I absolutely agree that this will be a starting point, and we're likely to see them go up after people start getting them in their hands. I think there may be some cynicism involved, though, as their most recent update outlined how they're made, so it's not like they're hiding some serious construction flaws. The only thing I don't remember seeing is the insole construction, which could be foam-rubber instead of "smooshy-leather". Otherwise, the only parts that are non-leather are the fabric reinforcement (shown in the first construction pics, for the heel and vamp) and the heel. I'm sure there are cost savings in a (what I believe is called) 270 welt versus a 360 welt. Keep in mind that they're having to pay a lot more shipping on a chromexcel sneaker (shipping leather from USA to Italy, shipping shoe back to USA from Italy, then shipping to customer) and a higher fee for the manufactured sole -- costs that aren't incurred at such a level with the boots. At 199 for a chromexcel boot made in the USA, though, it's hard to complain about these given what's been shared about the construction. Their copy about the dying USA shoe industry makes their sneakers sting a bit, though, especially when they're delivered at a premium over USA made boots. I think over time Gustin can put me down for at least a couple pairs of these boots, though. |
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 17, 2015 15:44:25 GMT -6
And the man tote topped out at $347.....high tops $259....makes me think they are skimping on the shoe as a hole.....that's just the cynic in me. I absolutely agree that this will be a starting point, and we're likely to see them go up after people start getting them in their hands. I think there may be some cynicism involved, though, as their most recent update outlined how they're made, so it's not like they're hiding some serious construction flaws. The only thing I don't remember seeing is the insole construction, which could be foam-rubber instead of "smooshy-leather". Otherwise, the only parts that are non-leather are the fabric reinforcement (shown in the first construction pics, for the heel and vamp) and the heel. I'm sure there are cost savings in a (what I believe is called) 270 welt versus a 360 welt. Keep in mind that they're having to pay a lot more shipping on a chromexcel sneaker (shipping leather from USA to Italy, shipping shoe back to USA from Italy, then shipping to customer) and a higher fee for the manufactured sole -- costs that aren't incurred at such a level with the boots. At 199 for a chromexcel boot made in the USA, though, it's hard to complain about these given what's been shared about the construction. Their copy about the dying USA shoe industry makes their sneakers sting a bit, though, especially when they're delivered at a premium over USA made boots. I think over time Gustin can put me down for at least a couple pairs of these boots, though. Dying USA shoe manufacturing....which they contributed to. |
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Post by exophobe on Aug 17, 2015 16:01:03 GMT -6
They just look a tad bit too long for my liking. I feel like there will be crazy creases that will build up over a short period of time in the toe. If you buy them in the right size you shouldn't have to worry about extra creasing in the toe. Now if only there was a way to figure out the sizing on the damn things.  |
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Post by exophobe on Aug 17, 2015 16:06:30 GMT -6
To me, the question at this point, is "is there anything about their boots that makes me want to not get a proven boot instead?" Answer for me, "No, there is not". To be fair, you are kind of a boot snob. The draw for me is that I don't want to pay $500+ for a natural chromexcel boot with that low-profile toe. That they priced them at 199 just makes it a less risky investment in my eyes, and a pretty great value since they're made in the USA and they've disclosed most of the manufacturing process. If money were no object, then I'd certainly go with the Alden over these, but I'm not in that situation. As it is, I have more boots than I need to get through my life, most likely, so I'm not in a position where I need boots built to withstand hard wear 5 days in a row, get a couple days off, and be back at it the next Monday. |
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Post by exophobe on Aug 17, 2015 16:13:56 GMT -6
Dying USA shoe manufacturing....which they contributed to. Yeah that's the sting. If they had been coming out of Italy at the quality they're stating, and they'd been $150 for the chrome highs, then I'd maybe understand. However they're priced at the same level as Rancourt sneakers which are 100% USA made, and pretty much the same style. Gustin just offers more colorways. It seems like maybe they couldn't work out an agreement with Rancourt and had to go elsewhere for the sneakers, but I'm just guessing again (supported by a Rancourt sneaker pre-sale release pretty much in line with Gustin). |
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Aug 17, 2015 16:31:13 GMT -6
For me they need to do a commando or Danite sole on a black. That is the hole that I have in my boots, beside not having any leather sole boots (brown Wolv Courtlands, black cherry RW Beckmans, natural Alden Indy commando sole).
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 17, 2015 16:41:17 GMT -6
For me they need to do a commando or Danite sole on a black. That is the hole that I have in my boots, beside not having any leather sole boots (brown Wolv Courtlands, black cherry RW Beckmans, natural Alden Indy commando sole). I just want an all black including the midsole, leather shoe, lug sole, captoe. Besides custom from Rancourt can't find a good solid brand. Besides your general military styled boots like red wing and bates danner etc. |
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Post by julian on Aug 18, 2015 3:51:54 GMT -6
but the customs might kill the deal for me, i gotta think about it. It's worth noting, for anyone in the UK, that our Byzantine import duties system specifically targets leather made boots and shoes for additional taxes. Anyone importing boots to the UK from the States could be in for a nasty shock if/when Customs get a hold of them. |
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Post by metals37 on Aug 18, 2015 4:29:11 GMT -6
For me they need to do a commando or Danite sole on a black. That is the hole that I have in my boots, beside not having any leather sole boots (brown Wolv Courtlands, black cherry RW Beckmans, natural Alden Indy commando sole). I also wish they would do some kind of a rubber sole also, but id be willing to consider buying a pair and having a rubber sole put on. It would still end up cheaper then what I perceive the compatible boots are (Alden, OSB). |
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 18, 2015 7:43:19 GMT -6
but the customs might kill the deal for me, i gotta think about it. It's worth noting, for anyone in the UK, that our Byzantine import duties system specifically targets leather made boots and shoes for additional taxes. Anyone importing boots to the UK from the States could be in for a nasty shock if/when Customs get a hold of them. Ugh that's rough. Thankfully our customs system is a joke in the USA and very simple to by pass (not me of course but I've heard) Buying watches and clothing from Japan is very simple with no tax or duty. julian you guys should have an indigo party and start revolting throwing denim into whatever body of water is close...and you should dress up like West Virginian miners while doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 7:44:17 GMT -6
For me they need to do a commando or Danite sole on a black. That is the hole that I have in my boots, beside not having any leather sole boots (brown Wolv Courtlands, black cherry RW Beckmans, natural Alden Indy commando sole). I also wish they would do some kind of a rubber sole also, but id be willing to consider buying a pair and having a rubber sole put on. It would still end up cheaper then what I perceive the compatible boots are (Alden, OSB). My local cobbler (not many here to choose from) charges $35 for sole protectors. A true re-sole would make these expensive boots. I don't have OSB or Alden but by appearance wouldn't put these on the same level. G seems to be behind the curve with these. There are many well established USA made boot brands. |
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Post by bentin on Aug 18, 2015 8:06:20 GMT -6
but the customs might kill the deal for me, i gotta think about it. It's worth noting, for anyone in the UK, that our Byzantine import duties system specifically targets leather made boots and shoes for additional taxes. Anyone importing boots to the UK from the States could be in for a nasty shock if/when Customs get a hold of them. . Is that tax called the FUIHUK provision? God I hope so. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 18, 2015 9:03:25 GMT -6
It's worth noting, for anyone in the UK, that our Byzantine import duties system specifically targets leather made boots and shoes for additional taxes. Anyone importing boots to the UK from the States could be in for a nasty shock if/when Customs get a hold of them. . Is that tax called the FUIHUK provision? God I hope so. Man, you know IHUK will never see any of your comments right? I mean, not because they aren't trying. But because they can't see them through their $400 plastic sunglasses. |
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