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Post by brentkuz on Aug 14, 2015 16:46:03 GMT -6
For iron heart I feel the snaps are good quality. Super secure and reliable. I will say the plastic on the outside might be plastic but it's fine. The work shirt buttons are pretty cheap but they are secured very well on my shirts at least. I will say it's pretty disappointing to see my ihsh-21 come with plastic buttons but Jcrew's new chambray workshirt comes with mother of pearl.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 16:46:25 GMT -6
Huh....that's interesting cause I always thought the snaps were high quality on my Iron Heart shirts. Lawless...now those seemed like some cheap ass snaps. I hate the snaps on the Lawless shirts. I'm not a snap expert but I like the IH snaps. Who uses a better snap? Flat Head westerns have MOP snaps. My TS Cone Glacier and Jacquard use brass-edged "pearl" (dunno if MOP). The TS work chambrays use real bone buttons. The TS indigo ticking has corozo. Other TS items use metal buttons. The Hill Side chambrays use corozo nut (some Hill Side items use shell). Hell, some of my J.Crew things have corozo or shell buttons. My LVC popover has bone. Lee 101 uses MOP. My Freewheelers uses iron buttons. So does my Toys McCoy. Buzz Rickson uses a replica of vintage Bakelite, but that's plastic. But it is to copy vintage and a more expensive process to get than just regular plastic buttons. Nudie uses metal on their westerns. 3sixteen uses corozo. My Old Blue Denim Co. Shirt Jac has hand-carved wood buttons. My PBJ has real grey MOP. A lot of the RRL has metal and corozo and horn and wood. And, of course, Gustin has real MOP buttons. So...most? Most use better? I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know my thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at |
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 14, 2015 16:46:48 GMT -6
Bakelite is a very good cool plastic that's a good repro button.
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 14, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -6
Flat Head westerns have MOP snaps. My TS Cone Glacier and Jacquard use brass-edged "pearl" (dunno if MOP). The TS work chambrays use real bone buttons. The TS indigo ticking has corozo. Other TS items use metal buttons. The Hill Side chambrays use corozo nut (some Hill Side items use shell). Hell, some of my J.Crew things have corozo or shell buttons. My LVC popover has bone. Lee 101 uses MOP. My Freewheelers uses iron buttons. So does my Toys McCoy. Buzz Rickson uses a replica of vintage Bakelite, but that's plastic. But it is to copy vintage and a more expensive process to get than just regular plastic buttons. Nudie uses metal on their westerns. 3sixteen uses corozo. My Old Blue Denim Co. Shirt Jac has hand-carved wood buttons. My PBJ has real grey MOP. A lot of the RRL has metal and corozo and horn and wood. And, of course, Gustin has real MOP buttons. So...most? Most use better? I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know Mmmmm :') thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at Lawless snaps are super cheap. Absolute crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 16:48:24 GMT -6
I mostly disliked them because my now retired beard would get caught on the top one that wasn't closed lol
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 14, 2015 17:27:09 GMT -6
I mostly disliked them because my now retired beard would get caught on the top one that wasn't closed lol I won't have to deal with that haha but good to know. |
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Post by ickes on Aug 14, 2015 17:43:10 GMT -6
Flat Head westerns have MOP snaps. My TS Cone Glacier and Jacquard use brass-edged "pearl" (dunno if MOP). The TS work chambrays use real bone buttons. The TS indigo ticking has corozo. Other TS items use metal buttons. The Hill Side chambrays use corozo nut (some Hill Side items use shell). Hell, some of my J.Crew things have corozo or shell buttons. My LVC popover has bone. Lee 101 uses MOP. My Freewheelers uses iron buttons. So does my Toys McCoy. Buzz Rickson uses a replica of vintage Bakelite, but that's plastic. But it is to copy vintage and a more expensive process to get than just regular plastic buttons. Nudie uses metal on their westerns. 3sixteen uses corozo. My Old Blue Denim Co. Shirt Jac has hand-carved wood buttons. My PBJ has real grey MOP. A lot of the RRL has metal and corozo and horn and wood. And, of course, Gustin has real MOP buttons. So...most? Most use better? I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know Mmmmm :') thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at This is what I was trying to say too. The mechanical function of their snaps is solid and that is quality imo. That's why I was surprised to hear some say they are poor quality. When you snap the IH snaps together you hear a solid snap sound and those mamba jambas are stuck together for good. |
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Post by ickes on Aug 14, 2015 17:43:49 GMT -6
I mostly disliked them because my now retired beard would get caught on the top one that wasn't closed lol Lol..same here! |
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Post by devastitis on Aug 14, 2015 18:03:30 GMT -6
I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know Mmmmm :') thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at "This is what I was trying to say too. The mechanical function of their snaps is solid and that is quality imo. That's why I was surprised to hear some say they are poor quality. When you snap the IH snaps together you hear a solid snap sound and those mamba jambas are stuck together for good." Said ickes followed by a z-snap. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 14, 2015 19:26:08 GMT -6
Flat Head westerns have MOP snaps. My TS Cone Glacier and Jacquard use brass-edged "pearl" (dunno if MOP). The TS work chambrays use real bone buttons. The TS indigo ticking has corozo. Other TS items use metal buttons. The Hill Side chambrays use corozo nut (some Hill Side items use shell). Hell, some of my J.Crew things have corozo or shell buttons. My LVC popover has bone. Lee 101 uses MOP. My Freewheelers uses iron buttons. So does my Toys McCoy. Buzz Rickson uses a replica of vintage Bakelite, but that's plastic. But it is to copy vintage and a more expensive process to get than just regular plastic buttons. Nudie uses metal on their westerns. 3sixteen uses corozo. My Old Blue Denim Co. Shirt Jac has hand-carved wood buttons. My PBJ has real grey MOP. A lot of the RRL has metal and corozo and horn and wood. And, of course, Gustin has real MOP buttons. So...most? Most use better? I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know my thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at Don't look "ghey" to me (shrug)      |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 14, 2015 19:32:33 GMT -6
And yes, ya'll are some fanboys haha.  Yes..they do snap. And stay together. Thank goodness. They had better, because it costs nigh on $300. But..ya know...they COULD have good mechanical snaps AND have non-plastic materials. And for nigh on $300, they probably should. That's my argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 21:39:46 GMT -6
And yes, ya'll are some fanboys haha. Yes..they do snap. And stay together. Thank goodness. They had better, because it costs nigh on $300. But..ya know...they COULD have good mechanical snaps AND have non-plastic materials. And for nigh on $300, they probably should. That's my argument. If you're paying $300, it's only because you CHOOSE to though..... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 21:40:32 GMT -6
I know I seem like a fanboy as of lately, but this is NOT a fanboy statement: I don't want MOP anyway, because it looks ghey!!!!! They quality of the IH snaps is in the mechanical function, not in the intrinsic value of the materials used it the snap. I don't have 30 different brands of western shirts, but I know my thrift shop vintage Levis shirts and my LD westerns burst open when I stretch or simply snag something, and my IH shirts don't do that. They are STRONG. That's where the quality of the snaps is at Don't look "ghey" to me (shrug) I just prefer for my clothes to not twinkle in the light, lol |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 14, 2015 22:24:42 GMT -6
I just prefer for my clothes to not twinkle in the light, lol Chicks dig twinkly stuff. |
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Post by scooter on Aug 15, 2015 8:41:34 GMT -6
Just think of it this way. If you can justify buying these, you can justify buying anything. Just let these be your gateway drug. Or think of it this way. You can buy any item at any price point, but are you getting a good value for your money? At $445, I don't see the value. Maybe at $295 max. The price has too much overhead and collaboration markup. For me, the only thing interesting about them is the iron buttons (assuming they are solid iron). Too many retailers, IH included, use cheap buttons when they could be using better quality solid metals like brass, bronze, copper, stainless steel, etc. Being that, I recently dropped around $400 on the PBJ AI-003, from denimio, these are out of the question for me. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have them. But, much like the price tag for the BiG version of the AI-003 (AI-013, $685), the mark-up of the R&H collab nullifies any value, for me. I was willing to pop for the AI because of the overall rarity of them. The combination of PBJs weaving process, the Awa Shoai dyeing, the slim taper cut, and once every 3 year release put them at the top of my covet list. As fortune would have it, the price was just within my maximum threshold. That being said, I believe this denim is likely easier to produce, and we will probably see more regular releases. I'd be willing to bet, much like the AI-003, when the collab has run its course, these will be available from denimio, and OD, at a far better price. I guess, it all depends on how much you just "have to have" them. Edit: FWIW, I think somewhere in the $250 - $300 price range is where I'd find the value in them. |
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Post by highlights on Aug 16, 2015 6:28:18 GMT -6
I dig all the snaps, lol. IH snaps are great - I agree w/ ickes! Also dig the nasty alloy 'indigofera' snaps. Hi function, v. durable..the expensive PBJ jeans are cool imo cos at 24oz hi-qual raw denim you're gonna get delighted for many winter wears. I'm not buyin''em - got enough denim but, yeah, such great jeans. |
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Post by wabisabi on Aug 17, 2015 15:39:19 GMT -6
I hope denimio comes thru for me on the 18oz. xx-013 since they already sold out of 34 raw @okayama. prolly don't need them. being I already own the ai-003. Will be my last pair for sure. gotta have them haha..
the woman gettin pissy about losing closet space because I hang all mine up. looks like the jeans museum up in my house.
been looking to find some decent chambray but I swear every damn one I contemplate in buying is always sold out or no XL available. I might look into making my own eventually since most don't have ample length imo.
maybe denimio should do a colab of some heavyweight colab with pure blue Japan.
24oz xx-020 with some extra slub would be my ideal pair..
heard the 14oz xx-020 isn't as slubby as the for say xx-007 or xx-012.
but the 24oz left hand twill with the grey weft xx-011 would be great also..
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Post by bugula on Aug 21, 2015 4:28:34 GMT -6
got the XX-013-18s today. holy slub!
they're in the soak pile but probably won't receive one until we get closer to fall in DC.
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Post by p0rkbelly on Aug 21, 2015 15:58:14 GMT -6
got the XX-013-18s today. holy slub! they're in the soak pile but probably won't receive one until we get closer to fall in DC. Deciding between these and the regular XX-013. Are the 18s even more slubby? |
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Post by bugula on Aug 21, 2015 16:54:56 GMT -6
Deciding between these and the regular XX-013. Are the 18s even more slubby? couldn't tell you - it sounded like this was a new weave this year but i have no way to compare. |
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Post by wabisabi on Aug 23, 2015 11:22:13 GMT -6
They are more slubby I believe I own the xx-015 gettin my xx-013 18oz here in a week or so ordered mine thru Rakuten hinoya shop has them in one wash only tho:/
all sold out on Okayama in my size
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Post by Griffin on Aug 23, 2015 12:17:43 GMT -6
Fit, and fading expectations too great!
* Please note your dryer will also shrink
-Hinoya shop
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 5:40:56 GMT -6
I've got that The Flat Head shirt with the MOP snaps and you all are wrong. They're awesome and I twinkle like a special little snowflake every time I wear it so you all can just climb back into your boring little bakelite and dull metal snap shirts and stfu.
Also, never mention beard shaving again @untucked. I just got a serious piss shiver. I'm going to die with this thing, next week or in 2078....doesn't matter.
Bathe in the sarcasm guys....it's 4:39 AM here and I'm on two cups of coffee.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 26, 2015 6:31:51 GMT -6
I've got that The Flat Head shirt with the MOP snaps and you all are wrong. They're awesome and I twinkle like a special little snowflake every time I wear it so you all can just climb back into your boring little bakelite and dull metal snap shirts and stfu. Also, never mention beard shaving again @untucked. I just got a serious piss shiver. I'm going to die with this thing, next week or in 2078....doesn't matter. Bathe in the sarcasm guys....it's 4:39 AM here and I'm on two cups of coffee. Can I just say that I love this post hahaha. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 20:00:17 GMT -6
I just pulled the trigger on the RHxPBJ X011-24oz, sz. 32
Had to choose between sending my IH-666XHS to RFG, or getting these. I chose these, obviously.
Spending the money to make my 666 in to 555 would put the total cost of that pair of jeans right around the same price as these... And if I'm gonna look at ultra slubby 24oz PBJ next to 25oz IH for nearly the same price, it's a no brainer which is the better value.
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