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Post by whiskeyriver on Apr 13, 2016 11:21:29 GMT -6
Yep. Hi Dev! I forgot if it was you or Ex so I had to go check. I'm sometimes surprised at how not understanding people can be in regards toward a business, and try to defend the customers 100%. There's nothing that infuriates me more than when I see competitors suggested in Yelp reviews of my business. If someone criticizes my business because my employees or I have failed in some way, sure, I'll accept it. But if you come to my business with really no intention of giving me a chance, and then go off on a review saying competitor A is much better, or tell my patrons to try competitors A, B, or C, when it's clear you have loyalties elsewhere, then it's in poor taste to make that review/suggestion where everyone can see it. And same goes for this. It's in poor taste to bring up competitors in a business's affiliate thread without the expressed permission of the business, regardless if you have patronized this business or not. People have the right to free speech and yada yada. But there is basic etiquette, and you shouldn't use that freedom of speech to undermine someone's business/livelihood through the veil of "helping a customer." This was done in poor taste. Thought this was common sense, but with all the contrary replies, I guess it's not. LOL OMG. You have to be kidding about this, right? RIGHT? Poor taste? To say there are other brands with "colored weft?" Really, man? For real? This is the mountain you want to plant your flag on? This is where you want to build your fort? Saying that he was "undermining" Gustin by saying there are other options for buying sweat pant jeans? |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Apr 13, 2016 11:25:37 GMT -6
Yes it was an affiliate thread, I get that. It is pretty cool to have affiliate threads where the vendor maintains a presence. That Epaulet guy is all over SF in his thread. Sorry for the thread jack. :-) No prob, it was a mild irritation explaining myself in SF. It's a losing battle as there'll always be more people to defend actions of customers, and so I just quit responding in SF about it. It's a losing battle cuz' you're wrong. The affiliate fee is tiny, and most companies don't treat it like a shield for criticism. Plus, gaseous was just saying "if you missed out on these, and don't want to wait a year for them to come back, you can always try one of the many other options..." If Gustin doesn't like that, they can offer more of that fabric, or more colored weft more often. But that's not their model. They aren't RTW. So it would be irrational for them to see it as harmful to their bottom line/business model. They both occupy different, unique spots in the marketplace. Poor taste is as far as you can get from describing what gaseous did. You turned the volume to 11 right off the bat. |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 13, 2016 13:44:43 GMT -6
No prob, it was a mild irritation explaining myself in SF. It's a losing battle as there'll always be more people to defend actions of customers, and so I just quit responding in SF about it. It's a losing battle cuz' you're wrong. The affiliate fee is tiny, and most companies don't treat it like a shield for criticism. Plus, gaseous was just saying "if you missed out on these, and don't want to wait a year for them to come back, you can always try one of the many other options..." If Gustin doesn't like that, they can offer more of that fabric, or more colored weft more often. But that's not their model. They aren't RTW. So it would be irrational for them to see it as harmful to their bottom line/business model. They both occupy different, unique spots in the marketplace. Poor taste is as far as you can get from describing what gaseous did. You turned the volume to 11 right off the bat. I didn't turn anything up to 11 off the bat. All I said was it was in poor taste, because, well, it was in poor taste. This wasn't about criticism of G, because we all know G deserves their fair share of criticism, so the shield for criticism comment has no place in this. The thread was paid for as an outlet to discuss G merch, not competitors. I don't know if you work for a law firm or have a private practice, but the equivalent of what Gaseous "innocently" did was tell your clients that are waiting in the lobby that you charge a lot for a certain service and named a direct competitor, telling them they should go to them instead. Pretty sure you wouldn't take too kindly if that were to happen. N&F is a direct competitor with G, RTW or not. They've even butted heads in the past. So, yes, recommending N&F by name publicly in G's affiliate thread is in poor taste. The G affiliate thread is where they draw in more customers, and where they let current and potential customers discuss their merchandise. Doesn't matter if what they paid was a drop in the bucket for them, it's still their affiliate thread. They had a forum on their website, but customers telling other customers about and recommending direct competitors like Lawless killed it. That was done in poor taste, and so was this. This isn't a right or wrong case. So, no, I'm not wrong. It's about etiquette, and people follow different rules. If you don't see anything wrong with it, then you follow a different standard than I do when it comes to these things. But, again, I'm not wrong. |
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Post by bentin on Apr 13, 2016 13:53:08 GMT -6
Telling anyone about a brand, regardless of location isn't poor taste, it's a service. Put down the G Shield, ffs. N&F is a competitor to Gustin in the same way that GM is a competitor to Caterham.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 14:32:24 GMT -6
devastitis i'm pretty sure i could find examples of you directly recommending products contrary to the brand thread. (a search of momo from last year would probably pop up at least a few instances in multiple boards) i didn't see the topic in question, nor do i care to spend the time to find it...but if the topic is brand bleed over into other boards/threads...it is bound to happen. we've all done it and will likely continue to do it. it's natural to discuss similar items when talking about products of any type and maker. is the issue that another brand was being discussed in an 'affiliate' thread? i don't know that i've ever taken the time to check if any board i was visiting was a sponsored/paid for space in order to filter what brands i might speak of. (though i freely admit to having questionable etiquette)
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Post by exophobe on Apr 13, 2016 14:39:13 GMT -6
devastitis i'm pretty sure i could find examples of you directly recommending products contrary to the brand thread. (a search of momo from last year would probably pop up at least a few instances in multiple boards) i didn't see the topic in question, nor do i care to spend the time to find it...but if the topic is brand bleed over into other boards/threads...it is bound to happen. we've all done it and will likely continue to do it. it's natural to discuss similar items when talking about products of any type and maker. is the issue that another brand was being discussed in an 'affiliate' thread? i don't know that i've ever taken the time to check if any board i was visiting was a sponsored/paid for space in order to filter what brands i might speak of. (though i freely admit to having questionable etiquette) Affiliate is in the title of the thread, and now you know what it means.  Though I think you might be misunderstanding that the issue being discussed happened over on styleforum, not here. This place is a brutal goddam free-for-all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 14:44:30 GMT -6
exophobe shows how much time i spend on styleforum. i did see that the kerfuffle happened there, but didn't recall the affiliate was in the titles of those threads.
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Post by exophobe on Apr 13, 2016 14:47:36 GMT -6
exophobe shows how much time i spend on styleforum. i did see that the kerfuffle happened there, but didn't recall the affiliate was in the titles of those threads. I really only read affiliate threads over there so it's an easy distinction for me to maintain. Anyway, bowing out again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 15:00:26 GMT -6
exophobe shows how much time i spend on styleforum. i did see that the kerfuffle happened there, but didn't recall the affiliate was in the titles of those threads. I really only read affiliate threads over there so it's an easy distinction for me to maintain. Anyway, bowing out again. fair enough. i think i've mostly visited the custom white's boots and classifieds threads unless looking for something specific in which case i've relied on searching. |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 13, 2016 18:12:55 GMT -6
devastitis i'm pretty sure i could find examples of you directly recommending products contrary to the brand thread. (a search of momo from last year would probably pop up at least a few instances in multiple boards) i didn't see the topic in question, nor do i care to spend the time to find it...but if the topic is brand bleed over into other boards/threads...it is bound to happen. we've all done it and will likely continue to do it. it's natural to discuss similar items when talking about products of any type and maker. is the issue that another brand was being discussed in an 'affiliate' thread? i don't know that i've ever taken the time to check if any board i was visiting was a sponsored/paid for space in order to filter what brands i might speak of. (though i freely admit to having questionable etiquette) In SF? I hardly ever post in SF, and it's mostly just giving my experiences. Here, on the other hand, is an ADD rodeo. A lot of the times I need to check the name of the thread to remember what I'm supposed to be talking about. It wouldn't be S&S if every thread didn't have at least one derailment. |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 19, 2016 14:49:42 GMT -6
Viberg dropping the ultimate service boot on Friday:  Viberg Service Boot in Natural Shell |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 19, 2016 15:06:56 GMT -6
They're going to be $900 aren't they?
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Post by devastitis on Apr 19, 2016 15:18:56 GMT -6
They're going to be $900 aren't they? Not sure. I believe the reverse shell cordovan boots were $1100? So probably around that? |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 19, 2016 16:48:33 GMT -6
Some more details:  |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 22, 2016 14:04:19 GMT -6
Well that's pretty ridic.. $1100 boots sold out in 2 minutes. |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 22, 2016 14:13:44 GMT -6
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Post by gaseousclay on Apr 22, 2016 14:24:52 GMT -6
I figured that was about to turn into a dumpster fire. I look at styleforum differently than something like Yelp, though, but perhaps I shouldn't, given that brands have to pay for their presence on styleforum. I think it's one thing to say " if you like this thing that you missed on Gustin, check out this brand making something out of the same or very similar fabric", but quite a different thing to say "why bother with Gustin when there are a million other brands that make a better product". I don't remember which is more applicable, but I also haven't sifted through what's been going on over there. A forum is different from Yelp to a point. But they are both similar in that people look to and can gain information from others through both mediums, but much more directly with a forum. I still take issue with bringing up a different brand/competitor out in the open. Let's say you own and run an ice cream shop. You used to have a flavor that a customer came to buy, but no longer carry it. You still carry a ton of other flavors that are just as good, but may not be what the customer wants. I wouldn't be ecstatic if another customer whispers to that guy telling him that a competitor has what he wants, but as long as it's really just whispered, and no one else hears it, whatever. But if another announces to everyone in the store that a different competitor or competitors is/are better on top of saying they carry what I don't have, I'd be furious. There's etiquette we should follow as civilized persons, whichever medium it is. Whisper, i.e. PM. Don't announce other competitors to everyone in the store, i.e. post it up where everyone can see. But I am pretty biased on this as well, as I tend to side with businesses/sellers. Feel like consumers and their actions are overly protected/defended nowadays at the cost of businesses. here's the thing, you don't work for Gustin so me namedropping another competitor doesn't effect you at all, nor do I think it would effect G in the grand scheme of things. You need to stop getting so hung up on what others say. if G has a problem with someone's comment then let them handle it. you're basically making a mountain out of a mole hill and no matter how many analogies you make you're not going to get many people to agree with your viewpoint. In fact, you're going to do the opposite and make yourself out to be the Supreme G Butt Boy whose job it is to police internet forums |
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Post by bentin on Apr 22, 2016 14:30:46 GMT -6
Dude, are you new here?  |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 22, 2016 14:33:01 GMT -6
A forum is different from Yelp to a point. But they are both similar in that people look to and can gain information from others through both mediums, but much more directly with a forum. I still take issue with bringing up a different brand/competitor out in the open. Let's say you own and run an ice cream shop. You used to have a flavor that a customer came to buy, but no longer carry it. You still carry a ton of other flavors that are just as good, but may not be what the customer wants. I wouldn't be ecstatic if another customer whispers to that guy telling him that a competitor has what he wants, but as long as it's really just whispered, and no one else hears it, whatever. But if another announces to everyone in the store that a different competitor or competitors is/are better on top of saying they carry what I don't have, I'd be furious. There's etiquette we should follow as civilized persons, whichever medium it is. Whisper, i.e. PM. Don't announce other competitors to everyone in the store, i.e. post it up where everyone can see. But I am pretty biased on this as well, as I tend to side with businesses/sellers. Feel like consumers and their actions are overly protected/defended nowadays at the cost of businesses. here's the thing, you don't work for Gustin so me namedropping another competitor doesn't effect you at all, nor do I think it would effect G in the grand scheme of things. You need to stop getting so hung up on what others say. if G has a problem with someone's comment then let them handle it. you're basically making a mountain out of a mole hill and no matter how many analogies you make you're not going to get many people to agree with your viewpoint. In fact, you're going to do the opposite and make yourself out to be the Supreme G Butt Boy whose job it is to police internet forums You'll keep saying whatever you want to say, and do what you want to do, so I'll do the same. If it happens that it makes me look like "Supreme G Butt Boy" like you so eloquently put it, so be it. I'll say the same about any other brand and defend any other brand that I see this happen with and have, but it so happens that the forums that I frequent have the same people saying the same things about the same company, which happens to be G. If you think it's okay to keep that up, then I'll feel free to do the same. |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 22, 2016 15:59:15 GMT -6
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Post by bentin on Apr 22, 2016 16:02:17 GMT -6
Meh. Nice, but nothing I'd pay UK shoe money for. Also a far cry from natural finish.
And why in the world is the lace run that wide?
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Post by devastitis on Apr 22, 2016 16:07:20 GMT -6
Meh. Nice, but nothing I'd pay UK shoe money for. Also a far cry from natural finish. And why in the world is the lace run that wide? It's a work boot. I don't think they are supposed to run narrow like a dress boot. And yup, I wouldn't pay $1100 for it either. C&J has some beautiful makeups at ~$900 shipped that I'd rather spend the money on, but these would be nice to have. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Apr 22, 2016 16:22:43 GMT -6
here's the thing, you don't work for Gustin so me namedropping another competitor doesn't effect you at all, nor do I think it would effect G in the grand scheme of things. You need to stop getting so hung up on what others say. if G has a problem with someone's comment then let them handle it. you're basically making a mountain out of a mole hill and no matter how many analogies you make you're not going to get many people to agree with your viewpoint. In fact, you're going to do the opposite and make yourself out to be the Supreme G Butt Boy whose job it is to police internet forums You'll keep saying whatever you want to say, and do what you want to do, so I'll do the same. If it happens that it makes me look like "Supreme G Butt Boy" like you so eloquently put it, so be it. I'll say the same about any other brand and defend any other brand that I see this happen with and have, but it so happens that the forums that I frequent have the same people saying the same things about the same company, which happens to be G. If you think it's okay to keep that up, then I'll feel free to do the same. Again, your hang up, not mine. I see nothing wrong with steering someone in the right direction if G can't give what customers want. Also, I'm pretty sure G isn't losing customers since 99% of their campaigns fund. But, i'm not going to continue this circular debate with you on forum etiquette. It's silly |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 22, 2016 16:53:06 GMT -6
Meh. Nice, but nothing I'd pay UK shoe money for. Also a far cry from natural finish. And why in the world is the lace run that wide? I think the tiny laces and tiny holes accentuate the gap. I don't like it, but it's not my $1100 so... |
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Post by devastitis on Apr 22, 2016 17:17:14 GMT -6
You'll keep saying whatever you want to say, and do what you want to do, so I'll do the same. If it happens that it makes me look like "Supreme G Butt Boy" like you so eloquently put it, so be it. I'll say the same about any other brand and defend any other brand that I see this happen with and have, but it so happens that the forums that I frequent have the same people saying the same things about the same company, which happens to be G. If you think it's okay to keep that up, then I'll feel free to do the same. Again, your hang up, not mine. I see nothing wrong with steering someone in the right direction if G can't give what customers want. Also, I'm pretty sure G isn't losing customers since 99% of their campaigns fund. But, i'm not going to continue this circular debate with you on forum etiquette. It's silly But..you just did..by responding. "I'm not going to continue this debate, but I will continue this debate." And I can see that you see nothing wrong with doing that, just like I see nothing wrong with me giving my opinion on that as well. But, yeah, it is silly, so let's put an end to this circular debate. |
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