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Post by bugula on May 21, 2015 7:38:57 GMT -6
I find shoes more finicky than jeans. this shocks me. |
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Post by caleb on May 21, 2015 7:46:20 GMT -6
I suspect trying to find a US shoe company that does quality contract work and is willing to have Gustin's product undercut their own shoe prices is very difficult, if not impossible. A lot of "Made in USA" companies outsource some or most of their production save for their high-end lines or final assembling (Allen Edmonds & Danner come to mind). As long as Gustin properly vets their overseas producers, I don't have a problem with them sourcing out some of their designs. Italian families need to put food on their tables too. Also, the "Made in USA" label is no guarantee that a product isn't made in a sweatshop. There are plenty of examples of poor working conditions that exist in the US, particularly in the garment industry. I have no idea if the US sew shops Gustin contracts with aren't sweatshops filled with illegal immigrant laborers, but I'm hoping/expecting/trusting Gustin to monitor that. Until I find out otherwise, I'm planning to continue buying way too many pairs of US-made Gustin jeans, but will stick with Red Wing (or others) for my shoe needs. My spending, or lack thereof, will help Gustin determine whether it's worth it to outsource their shoe line and have an asterisk in their business model. I don't know if I'm making any sense, but it just seems kind of harsh that we are indicting Gustin for having fallen to the dark side by deviating a bit from their model. That said, I like knowing people are still passionate about how & where their clothes/products are made. This exists, of course, but we have rule of law whereby there are consequences for a) having people work for you illegally and b) putting your workers into unsafe conditions. There seems to be much more lax enforcement of that in other places in the world. See some of the comments earlier in this thread regarding "Made in Italy". For me this points to an erosion of what appeared to me previously to be fundamental values of the brand. And I told them that. Gustin's jeans are sewn at Seamaid in the Bay Area. It's a well known cut and sew shop that's not hiding anything. |
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Post by brentkuz on May 21, 2015 18:04:44 GMT -6
I find shoes more finicky than jeans. this shocks me. Fit wise absolutely. I have a much harder time with shoes and fit than jeans. |
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Post by caleb on Jun 1, 2015 15:26:35 GMT -6
Lotsa chatter from Gustin about the origin of the leather, radio silence about the origin of the labor.
Bummer dudes.
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Post by DigDug on Jun 1, 2015 15:31:30 GMT -6
So whats the price going to be for a pair of CXL's ?
I'm going with $145
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Post by nater on Jun 1, 2015 15:45:34 GMT -6
My guess is right around $200.
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Post by metals37 on Jun 1, 2015 20:57:33 GMT -6
I'm more curious what the boots are going to be like when they get around to those. The shoes are not my style.
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Post by goldenbrown on Jun 3, 2015 12:11:18 GMT -6
Has there been any talk about whether these will be made only after backing, or if this will be a stock store staple?
With the pricing lately, I feel like they are going to go too high right off the bat.
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Post by brentkuz on Jun 3, 2015 14:54:38 GMT -6
Price and construction. I'm going with $247 for horween lace up.
Construction and how durable they turn out to be is going to be huge.
Sizing is gonna be a cluster unless they do a printable size chart like rancourt so you can print and figure out your size at home
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Post by bugula on Jun 3, 2015 14:57:16 GMT -6
if they're TTS, it should be easy or if they give comparables (fit like Chucks, etc.).
i do fear your pricing could be correct though. gonna be painful next week.
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Post by nater on Jun 3, 2015 15:22:42 GMT -6
Price and construction. I'm going with $247 for horween lace up. Construction and how durable they turn out to be is going to be huge. Sizing is gonna be a cluster unless they do a printable size chart like rancourt so you can print and figure out your size at home I think he's spot on for pricing. Not as much Horween as the recent tote but more labor intensive is going to hike the price up. |
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Post by exophobe on Jun 3, 2015 16:40:33 GMT -6
Price and construction. I'm going with $247 for horween lace up. Construction and how durable they turn out to be is going to be huge. Sizing is gonna be a cluster unless they do a printable size chart like rancourt so you can print and figure out your size at home If they hit 247 it'll be awesome cause then I won't have to debate whether I want them, I'll just be able to say "nope" and get on with my week. Even if they do what I really want (essex or dublin with gum sole) I wouldn't even debate spending more than $200. Exceeding 200, they also fly past the price point of all the other "Common Projects Similar" shoes on the market. I'm going 150 for their "normal leathers", 175 for anything considered more special, with 200 being reserved for something really special. I hadn't even considered a veg tan sneaker. That would be pretty damn cool, but I don't know how well the material can be formed into a shoe. |
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Post by oatwilly on Jun 3, 2015 18:58:05 GMT -6
Well...they better have a good very accurate size chart in the works to measure your feet to. It's hard to guess what size to buy when ordering shoes online. I've typically had to exchange for another size several times until I get a pair that fits when I've bought shoes online. I will only buy shoes online from a seller that offers free shipping label returns, has multiple sizes of the same style and color in-stock, and has a liberal exchange/refund policy. Good luck to you guys with these
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Post by oatwilly on Jun 3, 2015 19:12:06 GMT -6
Made in USA doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of quality shoes. Can anyone name a US maker that rivals the workmanship of overseas made shoes? I got a bug up my ass last year to only buy USA made shoes priced at $300 or less, and ended up returning everything I bought due to the atrociously bad workmanship. My $70 asian made Clarks put them all to shame! I ended up with a pair of decent redwings, which may be a fluke because prior to that pair I received a pair of the same boot where the heel peeled off like an orange peel!
USA made cowboy boots seem to be the exception. There are a few brands still making great boots in the USA for a good price.
Overseas made shoes may or may not cut corners in terms of the materials they use, but the quality of workmanship is pretty high.
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Post by exophobe on Jun 3, 2015 19:31:15 GMT -6
Well...they better have a good very accurate size chart in the works to measure your feet to. It's hard to guess what size to buy when ordering shoes online. I've typically had to exchange for another size several times until I get a pair that fits when I've bought shoes online. I will only buy shoes online from a seller that offers free shipping label returns, has multiple sizes of the same style and color in-stock, and has a liberal exchange/refund policy. Good luck to you guys with these A couple thought to your couple posts. The good thing is that the margom sole is a known entity, unless they often change sizes for each person they sell to. It'd be great if they size them to boots since this seems to be most consistent. Athletic shoes are always vanity sized to make people feel like they have huge feet. Regarding the labor thing, I'm not in the USA or bust camp, but I do want Gustin to provide a statement as to why they changed one of their core values for this product, but in general, shoes out of Italy, Spain, Portugal are more economical and better made than their USA and Asian counterparts, but it'd be nice to see Gustin invest in changing the shoe market and localizing some of it, but it's starting to become clear that flint and tinder is the only company dedicated to only making a product if they can do it better and in the USA. And to be clear, Gustin doesn't owe me anything, but given that they were saying "always made in the USA" up until the yellow slip-on picture showing "Made in Italy", I would like them to explain it. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 3, 2015 19:32:03 GMT -6
Allen Edmonds, but only the $400+ ones are actually fully US made. My 70's Chucks are made in India and appeal to me about 164.2x more than what I've seen of the G Shoe.
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Post by metals37 on Jun 3, 2015 19:47:35 GMT -6
My New Balance running shoes are "Made in USA", which means they are at least finished here. They stand up awfully damn well, especially considering I've put nearly 700 miles on my current pair. They desperately need to be replaced, but it's because the sole is breaking down not because they are falling apart. All my NBs have gone 500+ miles whereas when I was wearing other running shoes they wouldn't make it to 300.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 20:19:34 GMT -6
i had some keens that were u.s. made while traveling last year. i put 600-700 miles on them before returning home. they held up well, but were toast by the end.
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Post by julian on Jun 4, 2015 2:27:03 GMT -6
My New Balance running shoes are "Made in USA", which means they are at least finished here. I own quite a number of different NB shoes and, in every case, the Made In USA models utilise the superior materials and are constructed to the highest standards. Which, given the UK and Asia made models are themselves of a very high standard, is impressive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:17:06 GMT -6
Rancourt has discounted pre-sale pricing on their new leather sneakers that are styled similarly to G's upcoming offering
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:20:36 GMT -6
 Made in America, by Americans..... |
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Post by mkeview on Jun 4, 2015 15:21:54 GMT -6
I just saw this too. You have time to wait until Monday to see G price and go with rancourt for a similar model.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 11:55:32 GMT -6
I'm already a Rancourt fan, as I have 2 pairs of Shell Cordovan boots from them. Excellent quality and durability... I would be far more likely to buy these than the Gustin's.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 11:58:12 GMT -6
Which begs the question..... Did Lord Gustin try to source from them, being that they have a LONG history of high quality, made in America footwear? I would imagine the only thing that could scare them off would be price point, but I feel like most people would prefer to pay more for made in America by a very reputable brand.
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Post by DigDug on Jun 5, 2015 13:02:53 GMT -6
Which begs the question..... Did Lord Gustin try to source from them, being that they have a LONG history of high quality, made in America footwear? I would imagine the only thing that could scare them off would be price point, but I feel like most people would prefer to pay more for made in America by a very reputable brand. I dont think it would benefit Rancourt. The look is similar. I'd say they are better competitors then collaborators. |
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