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Post by Mattbert on Oct 5, 2014 18:20:28 GMT -6
Is it just me, or do you find it odd as well that only about three of us are offended by the crooked shirts? I just wouldn't back anything that had a pattern. I sure hope the WS are done right. If the Wabisabi shirt is screwed up ill be out. I'll simply pay the $300 and get it done right. What would constitute a screwed up Wabi-sabi shirt? Everything being perfectly aligned and straight? |
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Post by Mattbert on Oct 5, 2014 18:23:56 GMT -6
Matt, I had sent an email stating waist and inseam, but at the time wasn't sure about denim, or fit. I was assuming that we would get something where we could nail down the details. I know he's busy and all, and don't want to bug him about it. That's where I'm at as well. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that... |
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Post by Dig Dug on Oct 5, 2014 19:29:32 GMT -6
I just wouldn't back anything that had a pattern. I sure hope the WS are done right. If the Wabisabi shirt is screwed up ill be out. I'll simply pay the $300 and get it done right. What would constitute a screwed up Wabi-sabi shirt? Everything being perfectly aligned and straight? With beautiful lines like those on the Wabisabi fabric if the pockets don't line up or the placket isn't strait it will really stand out. The strait lines of the fabric will look bowed, maybe even more so with no horizontal lines as with a flannel or other checked fabric. |
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Post by stinky on Oct 5, 2014 19:58:45 GMT -6
What would constitute a screwed up Wabi-sabi shirt? Everything being perfectly aligned and straight? With beautiful lines like those on the Wabisabi fabric if the pockets don't line up or the placket isn't strait it will really stand out. The strait lines of the fabric will look bowed, maybe even more so with no horizontal lines as with a flannel or other checked fabric. Yeah, if the Wabisabi isn't lined up properly, that will be one mindbending shirt . . .  |
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2014 20:10:23 GMT -6
The thing I really like about Lawless, is that Roman is willing to listen to his customers, and step outside the box. Make us things that WE want. Gustin has said they like to make what THEY like to wear. Also, Lawless is quick to adapt, and make changes, where Gustin takes months on end to tweak things. I do get an awesome fit in Gustin's straight, but look forward to trying the Lawless relaxed fit. Has anyone actually gotten confirmation on their "free pair" from the 20 jean give away from the other night? Exactly....on all points. I haven't received confirmation but I received an email last week asking what inseam I wanted? If this helps reassure - I was in the shop last week (Wednesday) and saw the shipping bags on the free pairs (hint - they all include a special gift from Roman). From what he told me, for those who responded with size, he's looking to expedite those. I believe we all sent in size specs for the initial campaign, so Roman should have details to work with for each of you who benefited. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 8:28:09 GMT -6
Same here. But they really, REALLY need to find a sub who can reliably sew in a f!@king straight line. Is it just me, or do you find it odd as well that only about three of us are offended by the crooked shirts? 4 of us |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 8:40:10 GMT -6
Is it just me, or do you find it odd as well that only about three of us are offended by the crooked shirts? 4 of us As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. |
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Post by bugula on Oct 8, 2014 8:44:54 GMT -6
I went through my closet and found a lot of crooked crap in there that I never noticed. Most of my shirts are $150+ at retail and never would've thought to inspect them. They're not off by much - G is much more egregious in some of their examples. At the end of the day, it sucks. Especially if their prices keep inching up. In reality though, it's noticeable in a static image...not so much when it's on.
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Post by Old26 on Oct 8, 2014 8:56:09 GMT -6
As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. Well, it's telling that they are making bags, hats and stuff and not one post in the forums to discuss the problems. I'm turned off at the moment... |
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Post by stinky on Oct 8, 2014 9:05:12 GMT -6
As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. Well, it's telling that they are making bags, hats and stuff and not one post in the forums to discuss the problems. I'm turned off at the moment... I am well aware that I can be annoyingly critical at times, but it is baffling -- BAFFLING -- to me that these issues haven't been addressed by the owners. If you don't tell your own story, someone else will tell it for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 10:12:00 GMT -6
As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. not to defend Gustin's specific price point, but the garment being dyed with natural indigo is a draw for some people. it's a natural plant based dye vs a synthetic one. the supply is lower and dye production more labor intensive...so the price would typically be greater. it's no different than someone paying a premium for organic cotton, goods manufactured from recycled materials, or even something like grass fed beef. many individuals may not see a difference in the final product, but there is value present for a segment of the customer base. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 12:21:24 GMT -6
As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. not to defend Gustin's specific price point, but the garment being dyed with natural indigo is a draw for some people. it's a natural plant based dye vs a synthetic one. the supply is lower and dye production more labor intensive...so the price would typically be greater. it's no different than someone paying a premium for organic cotton, goods manufactured from recycled materials, or even something like grass fed beef. many individuals may not see a difference in the final product, but there is value present for a segment of the customer base. Not disagree and that is why I bought my pair. Just felt dumb now because the jeans is absolutely no difference than the Standard... except I paid 50% more... I told myself to stop buying the hype especially the one created by Japanese.... they are very good at that. |
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Post by Mattbert on Oct 8, 2014 12:34:33 GMT -6
not to defend Gustin's specific price point, but the garment being dyed with natural indigo is a draw for some people. it's a natural plant based dye vs a synthetic one. the supply is lower and dye production more labor intensive...so the price would typically be greater. it's no different than someone paying a premium for organic cotton, goods manufactured from recycled materials, or even something like grass fed beef. many individuals may not see a difference in the final product, but there is value present for a segment of the customer base. Not disagree and that is why I bought my pair. Just felt dumb now because the jeans is absolutely no difference than the Standard... except I paid 50% more... I told myself to stop buying the hype especially the one created by Japanese.... they are very good at that. FWIW, I've found all the "hype" denims I've gotten from G thusfar to be totally worth said hype. Zimbabwe (yup), Grey Silk (pretty much), Okayama Std (more community hype than Gustin, but 100% yup), and especially the NIxP (big, BIG yup). I do not regret a single one of those. Still waiting on Raw Umbers, Loomstates, Antiques, and ZimLites. I figure at least a couple of those are "hype" material, so we'll see if my high opinion holds up. |
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Post by Old26 on Oct 8, 2014 12:35:51 GMT -6
Not disagree and that is why I bought my pair. Just felt dumb now because the jeans is absolutely no difference than the Standard... except I paid 50% more... I told myself to stop buying the hype especially the one created by Japanese.... they are very good at that. FWIW, I've found all the "hype" denims I've gotten from G thusfar to be totally worth said hype. Zimbabwe (yup), Grey Silk (pretty much), Okayama Std (more community hype than Gustin, but 100% yup), and especially the NIxP (big, BIG yup). I do not regret a single one of those. Still waiting on Raw Umbers, Loomstates, Antiques, and ZimLites. I figure at least a couple of those are "hype" material, so we'll see if my high opinion holds up. I've got no complaints on any of my Gustin products. None. I have no regrets on any purchases... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:17:39 GMT -6
FWIW, I've found all the "hype" denims I've gotten from G thusfar to be totally worth said hype. Zimbabwe (yup), Grey Silk (pretty much), Okayama Std (more community hype than Gustin, but 100% yup), and especially the NIxP (big, BIG yup). I do not regret a single one of those. Still waiting on Raw Umbers, Loomstates, Antiques, and ZimLites. I figure at least a couple of those are "hype" material, so we'll see if my high opinion holds up. I've got no complaints on any of my Gustin products. None. I have no regrets on any purchases... My Gustin jeans experience: Natural Indigo 2 (waste of money + don't fade), Grey Silk (over-rated. Dress pant fabric to use for a pair of jeans), True Blue Silk (totally hated it with passion), BlackxBlack (ok but over paid). |
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Post by jamesr on Oct 8, 2014 17:12:02 GMT -6
I am happy with most of my Gustin denim (Oaks, Zimbs, 1960s, Bright Weft, American 16ers, and Black 2s).
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Post by DigDug on Oct 8, 2014 19:49:17 GMT -6
As long as people continue buying Gustin shirt, I don't think Gustin care. Just look at that $150 Chambray shirt. Frankly, I don't get it. I have a pair of the Gustin Natural Indigo 2 jeans and I feel the natural indigo is almost like a gimmick. Doesn't really add anything to the garment except price. The beauty in Natural Indigo will be in how it Fades. It will take longer but be more Vivid. It usually difficult to machine dye so it is done by hand (not sure if that's the case with Gustins). Which results in the dye penetrating deeper. So it fades slower but has a longer, deeper, vibrant blue look. Put some time in them (maybe even wash a few times) to bring that blue forward. |
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Post by warpnweft on Oct 8, 2014 20:09:36 GMT -6
Ya don't give up on the natural indigo... Can't speak on your specific denim, but Nat Indigo takes a little more love/time, but totally worth it down the road in both fade and color (more times than not, turning into a beautiful medium blue)
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Post by wisdom on Oct 12, 2014 8:10:46 GMT -6
Ok.. update on the denim I got off eBay. Turns out this stuff is identical to Gustin's Downtown Brown (what are the freakin' odds) and is NOT kakishibu dyed. It is a plain brown denim from Nihon Menpu that Roman's also got some of this material so was able to compare it to that and determined as much, as well.
Sucks.. I'm going to see if the seller on eBay will accept a return. If he doesn't, I'll leave him negative feedback and dispute the charge with the credit card company. Out of fairness to the seller, I'll let you guys know how he responds to this.. I'm hoping he deals with this fairly and want to give him a chance to make it right.
Caveat Emptor =(
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 12, 2014 9:24:39 GMT -6
Ok.. update on the denim I got off eBay. Turns out this stuff is identical to Gustin's Downtown Brown (what are the freakin' odds) and is NOT kakishibu dyed. It is a plain brown denim from Nihon Menpu that Roman's also got some of this material so was able to compare it to that and determined as much, as well. Sucks.. I'm going to see if the seller on eBay will accept a return. If he doesn't, I'll leave him negative feedback and dispute the charge with the credit card company. Out of fairness to the seller, I'll let you guys know how he responds to this.. I'm hoping he deals with this fairly and want to give him a chance to make it right. Caveat Emptor =( Since many of us have bought the Brown Nihon Menpu denim can you get a photo of the warp & weft when possible. I have some jeans coming from LD in that so it would cool to see it larger than a swatch & hopefully catch the tru color of it |
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Post by wisdom on Oct 12, 2014 10:28:33 GMT -6
Ok.. update on the denim I got off eBay. Turns out this stuff is identical to Gustin's Downtown Brown (what are the freakin' odds) and is NOT kakishibu dyed. It is a plain brown denim from Nihon Menpu that Roman's also got some of this material so was able to compare it to that and determined as much, as well. Sucks.. I'm going to see if the seller on eBay will accept a return. If he doesn't, I'll leave him negative feedback and dispute the charge with the credit card company. Out of fairness to the seller, I'll let you guys know how he responds to this.. I'm hoping he deals with this fairly and want to give him a chance to make it right. Caveat Emptor =( Since many of us have bought the Brown Nihon Menpu denim can you get a photo of the warp & weft when possible. I have some jeans coming from LD in that so it would cool to see it larger than a swatch & hopefully catch the tru color of it I'll see if Roman can snap a pic of it.. it's at his shop right now. ..speaking of Roman.. he proposed a generous offer to try to make this a win-win all around, even though the issue wasn't his fault.. I had to decline the offer 'cause I felt Roman would be totally getting the short end of the stick, but we're dealing with a true gentleman here (not that we didn't already know that). |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 12, 2014 10:30:30 GMT -6
Since many of us have bought the Brown Nihon Menpu denim can you get a photo of the warp & weft when possible. I have some jeans coming from LD in that so it would cool to see it larger than a swatch & hopefully catch the tru color of it I'll see if Roman can snap a pic of it.. it's at his shop right now. Oh im sorry I thought you had fabric from ebay that was similar to Romans |
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Post by wisdom on Oct 12, 2014 10:36:13 GMT -6
I'll see if Roman can snap a pic of it.. it's at his shop right now. Oh im sorry I thought you had fabric from ebay that was similar to Romans Yeah.. I bought what was supposed to be Nihon Menpu Kakishibu Dyed denim from eBay and had it shipped to Lawless. It turns out it isn't what it was described as and is identical to Gustin's DTB and some denim Roman happens to have in his shop. I just wanted to put this out there in case anybody else thought of buying the same denim from the dude on eBay. Yeah, yeah.. eBay, what did you expect, and all that stuff.. go ahead and let me have it, guys  |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 12, 2014 10:44:49 GMT -6
Oh im sorry I thought you had fabric from ebay that was similar to Romans Yeah.. I bought what was supposed to be Nihon Menpu Kakishibu Dyed denim from eBay and had it shipped to Lawless. It turns out it isn't what it was described as and is identical to Gustin's DTB and some denim Roman happens to have in his shop. I just wanted to put this out there in case anybody else thought of buying the same denim from the dude on eBay. Yeah, yeah.. eBay, what did you expect, and all that stuff.. go ahead and let me have it, guys I use ebay & Etsy for stuff like that as well. Nothing wrong with that |
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Post by wisdom on Oct 12, 2014 17:11:46 GMT -6
Last post about this, but just want to close the loop..
The seller is unwilling to budge from his position that the denim was accurately described and so is refusing to do anything. I'll take it from here..
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