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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 8:38:28 GMT -6
I saw this mentioned in the out of control order update thread and don't think an ongoing discussion of it in that thread is worthwhile. However, I do think it's interesting to watch. Lawless is offering Kevlar jeans through Huckberry: huckberry.com/store/ld-and-co/category/p/23131-kevlar-jeanThe interesting part is that delivery is estimate 2nd half of April. (Although when I first saw the listing a few weeks ago delivery was slated to start 4/9 and it's already been moved back to 4/14. It will be interesting to see if it continues to slide.) Someone seems to be buying these things, as size 34 is now listed as sold out. Who knows how many pairs LD actually committed to Huckberry. If LD only seems to be working on orders in the 300s that are 6 months old, how could they make a commitment to another outlet? Are Huckberry orders being sewn in front of 6 month old website orders? It's worth noting that the 6 month old website orders are all 50% off and average about $50 whereas Huckberry Kevlar orders are near $200. As they say, follow the money. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 8:48:19 GMT -6
For laughs I emailed Huckberry and said I researched Lawless and have seen a lot of reports of people waiting 6 months for jeans. I asked if what they are selling has already been made and if not how I can be confident in their delivery estimate. Their response could be very interesting.
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 8:48:30 GMT -6
edited - double post
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Post by drstrange on Apr 8, 2015 8:51:13 GMT -6
well let's face it, even if Mr. James R. Acevedo was a one-man business with no employees, I doubt he could survive in producing a dozen pair of jeans / shirts a week, so if LD is still around, they obviously must be selling stuff elsewhere ...
personally I don't have a problem with that, I don't even have a problem with being the economy class customer when using the price tag of the early Nov issuings .... what's however a bit stretching it is being told to walk along the rails (instead of sitting in the train), as you haven't paid the full price ....
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Post by DigDug on Apr 8, 2015 8:52:12 GMT -6
My theory is that Roman started out with Denim Guys as his main customer. Once funded and the ability to keep production became difficult, he has moved on to a new customer base, the bikers.
He seems to be pushing this Kevlar a lot. So the denim guys are put on the back burner to make room for the new production of Kevlar. If he can get and keep this new client base and find a niche market he's in business.
I don't think he started out with this plan but he's a slick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 8:54:16 GMT -6
I saw this mentioned in the out of control order update thread and don't think an ongoing discussion of it in that thread is worthwhile. However, I do think it's interesting to watch. Lawless is offering Kevlar jeans through Huckberry: huckberry.com/store/ld-and-co/category/p/23131-kevlar-jeanThe interesting part is that delivery is estimate 2nd half of April. (Although when I first saw the listing a few weeks ago delivery was slated to start 4/9 and it's already been moved back to 4/14. It will be interesting to see if it continues to slide.) Someone seems to be buying these things, as size 34 is now listed as sold out. Who knows how many pairs LD actually committed to Huckberry. If LD only seems to be working on orders in the 300s that are 6 months old, how could they make a commitment to another outlet? Are Huckberry orders being sewn in front of 6 month old website orders? It's worth noting that the 6 month old website orders are all 50% off and average about $50 whereas Huckberry Kevlar orders are near $200. As they say, follow the money. Well, they're damned if they do, website customers will be even more pissed and they'll probably lose a hell of a lot of future income from website orders, and damned if they don't, they'll lose all credibility and future business from websites like Huckberry. They'll definitely sell product because that's what Huckberry is there for, to find them customers. It seems like another one of LD's attempts at bringing in immediate income. |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 8, 2015 8:58:21 GMT -6
I saw this mentioned in the out of control order update thread and don't think an ongoing discussion of it in that thread is worthwhile. However, I do think it's interesting to watch. Lawless is offering Kevlar jeans through Huckberry: huckberry.com/store/ld-and-co/category/p/23131-kevlar-jeanThe interesting part is that delivery is estimate 2nd half of April. (Although when I first saw the listing a few weeks ago delivery was slated to start 4/9 and it's already been moved back to 4/14. It will be interesting to see if it continues to slide.) Someone seems to be buying these things, as size 34 is now listed as sold out. Who knows how many pairs LD actually committed to Huckberry. If LD only seems to be working on orders in the 300s that are 6 months old, how could they make a commitment to another outlet? Are Huckberry orders being sewn in front of 6 month old website orders? It's worth noting that the 6 month old website orders are all 50% off and average about $50 whereas Huckberry Kevlar orders are near $200. As they say, follow the money. It is worth noting that nothing from the new site (ie orders in the 300s) is six months old at this point, not that the real number is much better compared to the original estimate. New site opened on 11/2. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 9:01:11 GMT -6
I agree devastitis It's quite the sticky widget Yes DigDug it does seem like he has shifted his business. Who knows, maybe he found a market willing to pay $200 and he's actually been cranking out hundreds of them and so he's just turned his back on the cheap at-a-loss stuff and doesn't care if those customers are pissed. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 9:03:44 GMT -6
I saw this mentioned in the out of control order update thread and don't think an ongoing discussion of it in that thread is worthwhile. However, I do think it's interesting to watch. Lawless is offering Kevlar jeans through Huckberry: huckberry.com/store/ld-and-co/category/p/23131-kevlar-jeanThe interesting part is that delivery is estimate 2nd half of April. (Although when I first saw the listing a few weeks ago delivery was slated to start 4/9 and it's already been moved back to 4/14. It will be interesting to see if it continues to slide.) Someone seems to be buying these things, as size 34 is now listed as sold out. Who knows how many pairs LD actually committed to Huckberry. If LD only seems to be working on orders in the 300s that are 6 months old, how could they make a commitment to another outlet? Are Huckberry orders being sewn in front of 6 month old website orders? It's worth noting that the 6 month old website orders are all 50% off and average about $50 whereas Huckberry Kevlar orders are near $200. As they say, follow the money. It is worth noting that nothing from the new site (ie orders in the 300s) is six months old at this point, not that the real number is much better compared to the original estimate. New site opened on 11/2. Ok, so new site orders are 5 months old. |
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 8, 2015 10:21:05 GMT -6
Kinda enjoyed watching the video of roman getting pulled.
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 11:12:45 GMT -6
Kinda enjoyed watching the video of roman getting pulled. I'm so jaded with LD that it crossed my mind if it was actually a stunt double. Notice the editing. They show Roman putting on the kevlar gear, but then they cut to man already with a helmet on holding onto the tow rope. |
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Post by davelewis on Apr 8, 2015 11:20:17 GMT -6
Kinda enjoyed watching the video of roman getting pulled. I'm so jaded with LD that it crossed my mind if it was actually a stunt double. Notice the editing. They show Roman putting on the kevlar gear, but then they cut to man already with a helmet on holding onto the tow rope. Yea, he probably sent Kahla in to get towed! |
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Post by davelewis on Apr 8, 2015 11:28:59 GMT -6
My theory is that Roman started out with Denim Guys as his main customer. Once funded and the ability to keep production became difficult, he has moved on to a new customer base, the bikers. He seems to be pushing this Kevlar a lot. So the denim guys are put on the back burner to make room for the new production of Kevlar. If he can get and keep this new client base and find a niche market he's in business. I don't think he started out with this plan but he's a slick. I really have no idea what the base is for bike riders that wear kevlar jeans, but just about everyone I know that rides a bike, uses leather as their go to garments, and this would include sport bikes, cruisers, and Harleys. I also can't imagine someone buying several pairs of kevlar, like you wold regular denim, unless you were to actually take a slide, and take um down to the lining. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 8, 2015 12:01:36 GMT -6
They certainly didn't invent the idea. You could buy kevlar lined jeans before LD came along. Granted LDs are a little more fashionable.
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Post by stinky on Apr 8, 2015 12:11:30 GMT -6
They certainly didn't invent the idea. You could buy kevlar lined jeans before LD came along. Granted LDs are a little more fashionable. Every single pair of kevlar lined jeans I have ever seen are ass-ugly except for the LD ones. I'm interested, but not until i get the rest of my stuff. FWIW, I usually wear firstgear overpants with D3O armor, but sometimes I wear only jeans, and sometimes I wear shorts and sneakers when I ride. Frankly, plain jeans do not offer much more protection than shorts. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 9, 2015 17:38:05 GMT -6
No response to my email to hackberry or my question on LD's facebook post about whether these are made to order or already done up.
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 10, 2015 12:37:42 GMT -6
Huckberry emailed me back. Said they worked with LD to "reserve" the jeans and while they don't have them in their warehouse yet they expect them very soon.
So it sounds like LD did push these in front of 5 month old website orders.
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Post by bigblack on Apr 10, 2015 12:44:14 GMT -6
Huckberry emailed me back. Said they worked with LD to "reserve" the jeans and while they don't have them in their warehouse yet they expect them very soon. So it sounds like LD did push these in front of 5 month old website orders. Did you mention to them that LD was 6 months behind and sending people orders blindly? |
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Post by Old26 on Apr 10, 2015 12:48:56 GMT -6
Huckberry emailed me back. Said they worked with LD to "reserve" the jeans and while they don't have them in their warehouse yet they expect them very soon. So it sounds like LD did push these in front of 5 month old website orders. Y'all need to get a motorcycle. Maybe a tat. Grow out yer hair, and be part of the 1%'ers. 1%'ers as in the 1% getting orders...  |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 10, 2015 12:56:58 GMT -6
Huckberry emailed me back. Said they worked with LD to "reserve" the jeans and while they don't have them in their warehouse yet they expect them very soon. So it sounds like LD did push these in front of 5 month old website orders. Y'all need to get a motorcycle. Maybe a tat. Grow out yer hair, and be part of the 1%'ers. 1%'ers as in the 1% getting orders... Yes |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 10, 2015 13:05:00 GMT -6
I'd love to know how many pairs they committed.
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Post by chrisdoth on Apr 10, 2015 13:10:36 GMT -6
There must be some reason they are producing so little, so if they have been delaying customers orders to get this contract/sale it sucks but then maybe at least we will see a jump in production once its done - To more than the current output which, from the way the numbers are, looks to be only 25 orders a week.
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Post by exophobe on Apr 10, 2015 14:01:06 GMT -6
Huckberry emailed me back. Said they worked with LD to "reserve" the jeans and while they don't have them in their warehouse yet they expect them very soon. So it sounds like LD did push these in front of 5 month old website orders. If this keeps the lights on and contributes to me seeing my discounted orders at some point, it's hard to get to upset about it. The only thing upsetting me about it is that they didn't manage inventory properly and people aren't getting what they ordered because LD no longer has the fabrics. |
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Post by Griffin on Apr 11, 2015 0:53:53 GMT -6
This also is the most annoying thing to me. I dont care that much about delays, although it sucks, but we were the first to order from the new site, and that material is gone?  This goes against alot of things for me, then there was no point in choosing fabric. The biggest plus was to choose a fabric with care that matches a design, and to match thread and button to it. A *huge* plus and diferentiator against ordering from G with all the tonal madness. I was extremely sure that since the number went down and after a while the swatch was removed, that this system worked and we had the fabric locked! This is now like bingo for the fabrics that has run out(bingo you got a pussycat notepad). I havent posted many negative things about LD but this one here really just reverses everything I feel good about the orders. |
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Post by oatwilly on Apr 11, 2015 14:58:59 GMT -6
This also is the most annoying thing to me. I dont care that much about delays, although it sucks, but we were the first to order from the new site, and that material is gone? This goes against alot of things for me, then there was no point in choosing fabric. The biggest plus was to choose a fabric with care that matches a design, and to match thread and button to it. A *huge* plus and diferentiator against ordering from G with all the tonal madness. I was extremely sure that since the number went down and after a while the swatch was removed, that this system worked and we had the fabric locked! This is now like bingo for the fabrics that has run out(bingo you got a pussycat notepad). I havent posted many negative things about LD but this one here really just reverses everything I feel good about the orders. This is the exact reason I called my CC company yesterday and had all LD charges reversed. I could have waited an interminably long period to get my stuff. I was at 6 months for the oldest order, and would have been OK with waiting several more months, but the fact that the chances were slim to nil that I would get my items as ordered prompted me to abort. |
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This goes against alot of things for me, then there was no point in choosing fabric. The biggest plus was to choose a fabric with care that matches a design, and to match thread and button to it. A *huge* plus and diferentiator against ordering from G with all the tonal madness. I was extremely sure that since the number went down and after a while the swatch was removed, that this system worked and we had the fabric locked! This is now like bingo for the fabrics that has run out(bingo you got a pussycat notepad). I havent posted many negative things about LD but this one here really just reverses everything I feel good about the orders. 