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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 12:49:26 GMT -6
Think I found them, they look like 21 oz Loomstates??? ha...those are sick, going to be bad ass for sure. What's the price on those in dollars?? I only see the Japanes price and it's like 28,000 yen
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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 12:51:25 GMT -6
googled the conversion and it looks like 235.00. Those will be worth every penny too, guaranteed. At that price I urge anyone who can afford it to pick up a pair of those Iron Hearts.
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Post by seth on Feb 25, 2015 12:55:14 GMT -6
googled the conversion and it looks like 235.00. Those will be worth every penny too, guaranteed. At that price I urge anyone who can afford it to pick up a pair of those Iron Hearts. The rakuten add shows the currency conversion and it looks like they are $254 (because they are listed at 30,240 yen which is odd because mine came with the 28,000 yen tag. maybe Japanese tax?) plus about $10 shipping. See global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-rodeo/item/634sr/ I got a pair a few weeks ago. It's the same fit as the old version of the 634-SR too. They are so nice I'm tempted to get a spare pair but I've stopped myself because that seems slightly ridiculous. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 12:57:16 GMT -6
How do you like them seth? They are Loomstate, correct? |
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Post by seth on Feb 25, 2015 13:01:21 GMT -6
How do you like them seth? They are Loomstate, correct? Yes, loomstate/unsanforized. Love them. I had two pairs of 634-SR from the last run six years ago and they were both a little tight (w30). This pair is w31. Things I like: half lined pockets, sewn in belt loops, selvedge inner fly, bronze buttons. I'm hoping they break in and age like the previous runs. They got very soft and thick. Things I'm on the fence about: the leg opening is 8.25" (post soak) on a W31, so they are certainly a straight fit, not a slim fit. That said, the top block and thigh are perfect. Edit: The first soak was not very hot, so I suspect they will tighten up a bit more after the second soak. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 13:11:04 GMT -6
How do you like them seth? They are Loomstate, correct? Yes, loomstate/unsanforized. Love them. I had two pairs of 634-SR from the last run six years ago and they were both a little tight (w30). This pair is w31. Things I like: half lined pockets, sewn in belt loops, selvedge inner fly, bronze buttons. I'm hoping they break in and age like the previous runs. They got very soft and thick. Things I'm on the fence about: the leg opening is 8.25" (post soak) on a W31, so they are certainly a straight fit, not a slim fit. That said, the top block and thigh are perfect. Edit: The first soak was not very hot, so I suspect they will tighten up a bit more after the second soak. I hate everyone of you guys...... still trying to save up for a pair of Alden Shell..... decision decision..... Btw, I like something more taper. What is the fitted taper in IH? 666s? thanks. |
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Post by seth on Feb 25, 2015 13:23:02 GMT -6
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2015 13:30:48 GMT -6
I will buy some Alden shells one year. Iron hearts and Samurai denim first
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 13:52:37 GMT -6
I am going to hold off on buying a pair of IH for now. Just went out for lunch and the weather is warming up a bit. I still have a pair of N&F E4 that I am still trying to break in. A pair of 19-21oz 555-1 or 555-2 will probably too heavy to wear until next fall season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 14:26:45 GMT -6
ickes, looks like you got zeroed in without my help. Guard your wallet! On the 634sr's - they are pretty much the opposite of the typical fit I go for. A 555 cut in loomstate would be perfect (if this exists....do NOT tell me about it - no more denim - not even going to search for it). I'm going to scope out the 634 cut when these show up and if it's just too straight fitting I might take a drive to railcar and have them tapered a bit from the knee down...or sell them. I sized down one size which usually works for me with straight cut unless the cuff opening is just too big. (edit: insert some additional jabbering by me about soak uncertainty etc etc)
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Post by jamesr on Feb 25, 2015 14:44:19 GMT -6
The hem is what kills me about IH. I own a bunch of their shirts and love them. I love the brand aesthetic. I really want to try a pair of the jeans. However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). My first selvedge denim was a pair of Gap Straight fit. They had a hem of 8.5". I was chatting with a guy at work and he asked me about them (guess he could see the selvedge). After going on about the world of raw denim (at least the little I knew then), the only thing he said was, "They're pretty big below the knee. Are they bell bottoms?" Scarred me for life.  |
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Post by seth on Feb 25, 2015 15:01:48 GMT -6
The hem is what kills me about IH. I own a bunch of their shirts and love them. I love the brand aesthetic. I really want to try a pair of the jeans. However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). My first selvedge denim was a pair of Gap Straight fit. They had a hem of 8.5". I was chatting with a guy at work and he asked me about them (guess he could see the selvedge). After going on about the world of raw denim (at least the little I knew then), the only thing he said was, "They're pretty big below the knee. Are they bell bottoms?" Scarred me for life. I understand. My first pair of selvedge denim was from LL Bean and at W32 they had a 9.0" hem. I got rid of them pretty quickly and from then on I was more sensitive to taper and leg opening. The hem on 634 and 666 are both a little too big IMO, but I've learned to deal with it if it's 8.0" or so. Some 634 variations are wider than others. The 634-XHS in W31 has a 8.5" hem. I tried those and had to sell them immediately. It was all crazy floppy like some 70's bell bottoms. Railcar tapering is an option but that adds $60 to already expensive jeans and the taper might screw up the selvedge outseam. (I assume they modify the outseam not the inseam. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, or better, point me to a picture of a tapered pair so i can see how they do it.) I think the 634S-19L has the narrowest hem of the 634 variations at 8.0" in W31 but I haven't tried that one yet. And smaller hems, such as those on the 555 series are all IH UK only, so the prices are higher than any of the commonly available Japanese models. In my perfect world, there would be a 21/23 or 25 oz offering that tapered to a 7.5" or so hem in W31, but I don't think that's on the horizon. Slimmer tapered fits are not really a Japanese thing, more of a Western thing. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 15:15:17 GMT -6
The hem is what kills me about IH. I own a bunch of their shirts and love them. I love the brand aesthetic. I really want to try a pair of the jeans. However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). My first selvedge denim was a pair of Gap Straight fit. They had a hem of 8.5". I was chatting with a guy at work and he asked me about them (guess he could see the selvedge). After going on about the world of raw denim (at least the little I knew then), the only thing he said was, "They're pretty big below the knee. Are they bell bottoms?" Scarred me for life. I understand. My first pair of selvedge denim was from LL Bean and at W32 they had a 9.0" hem. I got rid of them pretty quickly and from then on I was more sensitive to taper and leg opening. The hem on 634 and 666 are both a little too big IMO, but I've learned to deal with it if it's 8.0" or so. Some 634 variations are wider than others. The 634-XHS in W31 has a 8.5" hem. I tried those and had to sell them immediately. It was all crazy floppy like some 70's bell bottoms. Railcar tapering is an option but that adds $60 to already expensive jeans and the taper might screw up the selvedge outseam. (I assume they modify the outseam not the inseam. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, or better, point me to a picture of a tapered pair so i can see how they do it.) I think the 634S-19L has the narrowest hem of the 634 variations at 8.0" in W31 but I haven't tried that one yet. And smaller hems, such as those on the 555 series are all IH UK only, so the prices are higher than any of the commonly available Japanese models. In my perfect world, there would be a 21/23 or 25 oz offering that tapered to a 7.5" or so hem in W31, but I don't think that's on the horizon. Slimmer tapered fits are not really a Japanese thing, more of a Western thing. That's almost exactly what the 633S would get you post soak. They are 8.1" pre soak and shrink .3" post soak |
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Post by julian on Feb 25, 2015 15:45:30 GMT -6
However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). It's maybe worth noting that cuffing has the effect of narrowing the hem slightly. My IH-666S are the 32W and are therefore supposed to measure an 8.2" hem. Mine have never been washed and are single cuffed - just measured hem pulled fairly tight and they come in at exactly 7 3/4" on the hems... which I find ideal for wearing with boots (which is all I ever wear them with). It's quite possible they'd lose a fraction off that once washed. |
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2015 15:48:14 GMT -6
The skinny jean trend really isn't a big thing with japan heritage brands. The iron heart 555 is similar to a Gustin slim but it's only sold at IHUK
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 15:48:20 GMT -6
The hem is what kills me about IH. I own a bunch of their shirts and love them. I love the brand aesthetic. I really want to try a pair of the jeans. However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). My first selvedge denim was a pair of Gap Straight fit. They had a hem of 8.5". I was chatting with a guy at work and he asked me about them (guess he could see the selvedge). After going on about the world of raw denim (at least the little I knew then), the only thing he said was, "They're pretty big below the knee. Are they bell bottoms?" Scarred me for life. I understand. My first pair of selvedge denim was from LL Bean and at W32 they had a 9.0" hem. I got rid of them pretty quickly and from then on I was more sensitive to taper and leg opening. The hem on 634 and 666 are both a little too big IMO, but I've learned to deal with it if it's 8.0" or so. Some 634 variations are wider than others. The 634-XHS in W31 has a 8.5" hem. I tried those and had to sell them immediately. It was all crazy floppy like some 70's bell bottoms. Railcar tapering is an option but that adds $60 to already expensive jeans and the taper might screw up the selvedge outseam. (I assume they modify the outseam not the inseam. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, or better, point me to a picture of a tapered pair so i can see how they do it.) I think the 634S-19L has the narrowest hem of the 634 variations at 8.0" in W31 but I haven't tried that one yet. And smaller hems, such as those on the 555 series are all IH UK only, so the prices are higher than any of the commonly available Japanese models. In my perfect world, there would be a 21/23 or 25 oz offering that tapered to a 7.5" or so hem in W31, but I don't think that's on the horizon. Slimmer tapered fits are not really a Japanese thing, more of a Western thing. I assume Railcar does the taper on the inner seam as I know that's possible, but I don't know for sure. I'd think they would be understanding about not screwing up the selvage ID. Time for me to do some investigation. The price add on is something to consider but for me, a pair of loomstate IH is kind of a grail pair of denim and I'd happily customize them as I'll keep them until they fall apart. Cost per wear is low. Still, it is another 60 bucks on top of some expensive denim. The Rakuten price takes a little sting away though. |
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Post by julian on Feb 25, 2015 15:57:54 GMT -6
The skinny jean trend really isn't a big thing with japan heritage brands. +1 Most Japanese heritage brands tend not to go much below 8" hem on a pair 32" waist and above. Miners didn't tend to want to show off their Nike Airs back in the 1920s. |
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Post by jamesr on Feb 25, 2015 15:59:03 GMT -6
However, the hem on the 634 is really big. Even the 666 is a bit much. Looking at ironheart.co.uk, the hem on a pair of 634S (34 waist) is 9". 666S is 8.5" (and that's a "Slim"). It's maybe worth noting that cuffing has the effect of narrowing the hem slightly. My IH-666S are the 32W and are therefore supposed to measure an 8.2" hem. Mine have never been washed and are single cuffed - just measured hem pulled fairly tight and they come in at exactly 7 3/4" on the hems... which I find ideal for wearing with boots (which is all I ever wear them with). It's quite possible they'd lose a fraction off that once washed. I wear a 34" waist and a hem between 7.75" and 8" is pretty much ideal for me. Maybe if I can score a pair of 666 on Rakuten I'll give it a go. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 16:01:00 GMT -6
I may be the odd guy out here but prefer a straight leg. that's the great thing about denim. Wear it how you like, loose, straight, skinny, there's no wrong way.
Come on tax man! Send me my money!
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2015 16:05:23 GMT -6
I'm going to buy 666's from rakuten not sure if it's going to be the 19 or 25oz really up in the air.
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Post by jamesr on Feb 25, 2015 16:13:18 GMT -6
I'd like to try the 19oz left hand twills but every store on Rakuten is sold out of 34s.
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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 16:16:55 GMT -6
I may be the odd guy out here but prefer a straight leg. that's the great thing about denim. Wear it how you like, loose, straight, skinny, there's no wrong way. Come on tax man! Send me my money! I like straight and slim fits but I don't do skinny |
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -6
I'd like to try the 19oz left hand twills but every store on Rakuten is sold out of 34s. I've noticed vari and rodeo both restock quickly. They have 36's in stock. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 25, 2015 16:44:04 GMT -6
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Post by seth on Feb 25, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -6
I'd like to try the 19oz left hand twills but every store on Rakuten is sold out of 34s. I've noticed vari and rodeo both restock quickly. They have 36's in stock. I wish they would get some 634S-19L in stock. Haven't seen those in ages. |
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