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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 27, 2015 18:56:40 GMT -6
Let me ask a noob question. I've been lurking for months and have learned a lot, but these 17s are the first pair of raw denim I've owned and not just tried on. I am going to be washing these sparingly, but I was thinking about doing a cold soak before wearing them too much, just to help prevent denim bleed on my boots etc.
Pros/Cons?
I'm assuming that a pair of sanforized G aren't going to shrink at all from a quick cold soak.
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 27, 2015 19:41:51 GMT -6
Do they dry crock? I have noticed my Gustin's haven't really bleed that much. I don't cold soak sanforized denim. Don't see a need to if they aren't bleeders and I don't want to shrink them.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 27, 2015 22:14:39 GMT -6
Let me ask a noob question. I've been lurking for months and have learned a lot, but these 17s are the first pair of raw denim I've owned and not just tried on. I am going to be washing these sparingly, but I was thinking about doing a cold soak before wearing them too much, just to help prevent denim bleed on my boots etc. Pros/Cons? I'm assuming that a pair of sanforized G aren't going to shrink at all from a quick cold soak. In my experience the cold wash releases the indigo. A warm wash seems to set it more, but you're likely to see some shrink if you do that. Several people have posted that vinegar better sets the dye, so that would likely do it for you (I'm sure you can find details somewhere in the search), which is only counter-intuitive if you are after the "sick fadez brah". |
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Post by julian on Mar 28, 2015 1:21:48 GMT -6
It's all personal preference, but I never soak any Sanforized jeans. The only reasons for possibly doing so are to get rid of some dye (which is kind of a weird thing to do assuming you bought them because you liked the colour of them on some level) or to remove some of the production process chemicals.
You will likely get *some* degree of shrinkage, if you need it, but it's unlikey to be much with a cold soak.
If it's indigo bleed you're concerned about, soaking them may help with that but it's still going to happen.
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Post by gaseousclay on Mar 28, 2015 2:48:53 GMT -6
I think it depends on how stiff your jeans are. I've debated soaking my 3sixteens to get the starch out but haven't done it yet.
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Post by bentin on Mar 28, 2015 13:45:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I soaked my Oki's to get the ridiculous amounts of starch out, but my BxB's weren't that starchy so they haven't been washed yet.
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Post by DigDug on Mar 28, 2015 14:15:59 GMT -6
These 17's are stiff, I'm guessing there's a lot of starch that a soak will wash out (the water will be more yellow then blue)
I usually wear mine for a few weeks (a good 15+ wears) then do a cold water soak for 30-45 min. Wear them another 15 times then send them out to be hemmed.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 28, 2015 14:25:29 GMT -6
These 17's are stiff, I'm guessing there's a lot of starch that a soak will wash out (the water will be more yellow then blue) I usually wear mine for a few weeks (a good 15+ wears) then do a cold water soak for 30-45 min. Wear them another 15 times then send them out to be hemmed. Do you just cuff the extra length until that time? |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 28, 2015 14:27:54 GMT -6
These 17's are stiff, I'm guessing there's a lot of starch that a soak will wash out (the water will be more yellow then blue) I usually wear mine for a few weeks (a good 15+ wears) then do a cold water soak for 30-45 min. Wear them another 15 times then send them out to be hemmed. Do you just cuff the extra length until that time? Yes, have about 2" triple cuff. |
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 28, 2015 14:28:34 GMT -6
These 17's are stiff, I'm guessing there's a lot of starch that a soak will wash out (the water will be more yellow then blue) I usually wear mine for a few weeks (a good 15+ wears) then do a cold water soak for 30-45 min. Wear them another 15 times then send them out to be hemmed. Do you just cuff the extra length until that time? With the low rise on the slim cut G, I need about a 29.5" inseam so I am double cuffing at the moment. After I wear them for awhile and cold soak them, I am going to hem them to a 31.5" inseam so I can single cuff. And yeah Digdug, these 17s are SUPER stiff. |
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Post by marauder on Mar 28, 2015 14:50:20 GMT -6
Soaking sanforized denim is not required and is more of a personal preference. I always do a warm soak of all the denim before wearing. It gets rid of the starch and softens up the denim. I find it breathes more and I prefer the non starchy feel.
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 28, 2015 17:34:07 GMT -6
Day 2 of wearing these J17s and I already want to soak them. My waist fits great in them now, but they're tight in the crotch area/below the waist, I think just from being the denim being so stiff and not moving with my body when I sit etc. Had to take em off for a bit as I got some stomach cramping. I may just need to size up!
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 28, 2015 19:05:54 GMT -6
Why not to soak and why to soak are the same thing really.
Do you want startch or not?
Do you want to set the indigo or not?
So you want to get all the shrink out or not?
I like startch seems to set crease better.
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 29, 2015 10:25:42 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm committed to getting some fades. Can anyone shed light on the crotch/lower waist tightness? The actual waist is fine, the thigh is fine, it's just super tight through the pockets. Will that ease as these soften up or is it a sizing issue?
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Post by Griffin on Mar 29, 2015 11:35:38 GMT -6
I love the raw look and think the pants looses something when washed. Its inevitable, but I like to prolong it as long as I can, and if it comes with the sick fades, then it eases the transformation for me.
Some jeans get "bland" after a wash and some just keep going strong. Im my personal taste its the japan denim, and I believe its the indigo, that keeps going, and even gets better. Like the IronHeart 634 or the Gustin Loomstates.
The Japan mills uses something that makes the creases keep that extreme dark color almost black.
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Post by felizuno on Mar 29, 2015 11:41:02 GMT -6
I hot soak before the first wear every time (except the cashmeres)
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Post by toolonginexile on Apr 1, 2015 9:56:42 GMT -6
Soaking sanforized denim is not required and is more of a personal preference. I always do a warm soak of all the denim before wearing. It gets rid of the starch and softens up the denim. I find it breathes more and I prefer the non starchy feel. +1- i just soaked my first pair of gustins.....they released more dye then anyother pair ive soaked...could be that fabric lot but be careful.... There's some anecodtal discussion that soaking sanfordized is good for the denim as it opens up the fibers. I cant confirm this but its a feel thing. If you like they way new sanfordized feels wear em. |
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Apr 4, 2015 12:42:42 GMT -6
Cold soaked my J17s in vinegar today for 40 minutes. Waiting for them to dry enough to put them on. They've loosened up a lot, but are still uncomfortable.
On another fit note, I got a 32 slim in the Pure Japans today. I picked them up on grailed for $60 shipped to compare sizing. I like the feel of these much better than the J17s, but they're a tiny bit big in the waist. That said, these are 4 ozs lighter, so that may play in. I can't tell if the J17s being uncomfortable and too tight (literally make me have stomach cramps) are the result of the starch/weight of the denim, or if the sizing is off. I guess I'll just have to see how both of these wear in.
I may just be in between sizes in G.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 12:51:57 GMT -6
Cold soaked my J17s in vinegar today for 40 minutes. Waiting for them to dry enough to put them on. They've loosened up a lot, but are still uncomfortable. On another fit note, I got a 32 slim in the Pure Japans today. I picked them up on grailed for $60 shipped to compare sizing. I like the feel of these much better than the J17s, but they're a tiny bit big in the waist. That said, these are 4 ozs lighter, so that may play in. I can't tell if the J17s being uncomfortable and too tight (literally make me have stomach cramps) are the result of the starch/weight of the denim, or if the sizing is off. I guess I'll just have to see how both of these wear in. I may just be in between sizes in G. Remember that pairs/runs sew up slightly differently as well. Each measurement has a .5" allowed variance by the manufacturer, so that could give an overall 1" swing in measurement between pairs if the same size. |
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Apr 4, 2015 12:56:52 GMT -6
Cold soaked my J17s in vinegar today for 40 minutes. Waiting for them to dry enough to put them on. They've loosened up a lot, but are still uncomfortable. On another fit note, I got a 32 slim in the Pure Japans today. I picked them up on grailed for $60 shipped to compare sizing. I like the feel of these much better than the J17s, but they're a tiny bit big in the waist. That said, these are 4 ozs lighter, so that may play in. I can't tell if the J17s being uncomfortable and too tight (literally make me have stomach cramps) are the result of the starch/weight of the denim, or if the sizing is off. I guess I'll just have to see how both of these wear in. I may just be in between sizes in G. Remember that pairs/runs sew up slightly differently as well. Each measurement has a .5" allowed variance by the manufacturer, so that could give an overall 1" swing in measurement between pairs if the same size. Yeah. These measured 32.25" waist, 22.4" in the thigh, 16" in the knee. My 17s measured 31.25" out of the package, 21.9 in the thigh and 15.6 in the knee. I'm going to take post soak measurements later, but the waist had stretched out to about 32" before soak |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 4, 2015 13:13:17 GMT -6
Cold soaked my J17s in vinegar today for 40 minutes. Waiting for them to dry enough to put them on. They've loosened up a lot, but are still uncomfortable. On another fit note, I got a 32 slim in the Pure Japans today. I picked them up on grailed for $60 shipped to compare sizing. I like the feel of these much better than the J17s, but they're a tiny bit big in the waist. That said, these are 4 ozs lighter, so that may play in. I can't tell if the J17s being uncomfortable and too tight (literally make me have stomach cramps) are the result of the starch/weight of the denim, or if the sizing is off. I guess I'll just have to see how both of these wear in. I may just be in between sizes in G. It'll be interesting to hear how the saok with vinegar (I'm assuming not a soak in only vinegar) affects the colorfastness of the indigo, please report back! In my experience they tighten up after the first soak/wash, but loosen and get softer much faster than when you initially start wearing them. My American Sixteeners took about 2-3 weeks (just about every other day, sometimes more) before I started looking forward to wearing them. They still haven't been soaked or washed, though I've been tempted from time to time -- just not ready to turn that almost black indigo into blue yet. |
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Post by goldenbrown on Apr 6, 2015 16:10:06 GMT -6
Cold soaked my J17s in vinegar today for 40 minutes. Waiting for them to dry enough to put them on. They've loosened up a lot, but are still uncomfortable. On another fit note, I got a 32 slim in the Pure Japans today. I picked them up on grailed for $60 shipped to compare sizing. I like the feel of these much better than the J17s, but they're a tiny bit big in the waist. That said, these are 4 ozs lighter, so that may play in. I can't tell if the J17s being uncomfortable and too tight (literally make me have stomach cramps) are the result of the starch/weight of the denim, or if the sizing is off. I guess I'll just have to see how both of these wear in. I may just be in between sizes in G. Remember that pairs/runs sew up slightly differently as well. Each measurement has a .5" allowed variance by the manufacturer, so that could give an overall 1" swing in measurement between pairs if the same size. I'm having the exact same problems with my j17s. I've got a pair of JUBs in the same exact size and fit, but the J17s seem so much tighter and uncomfortable than I remember my JUBs being during the break in period. They are the heaviest weight denim I've had yet, so I just don't know if that's normal yet or what. |
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Post by oatwilly on Apr 6, 2015 17:35:05 GMT -6
In my experience the cold wash releases the indigo. A warm wash seems to set it more Wait...WARM soaking preserves the color better, and COLD promotes color loss?? Isn't it the other way around? |
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Post by exophobe on Apr 6, 2015 18:23:59 GMT -6
In my experience the cold wash releases the indigo. A warm wash seems to set it more Wait...WARM soaking preserves the color better, and COLD promotes color loss?? Isn't it the other way around? i want to say you're right, and when I read that I have to say I mis-spoke. I washed an indigo pair in warm and they turned bluer but fade slower. I washed my indigo x black in cold and they refuse to fade. So you're correct, and it looks like I need to stop posting advice when I'm tired, if I have any credibility left. |
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Post by bentin on Apr 6, 2015 18:48:06 GMT -6
Are the IxB Italian? Those won't fade with a hydrochloric acid wash.
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