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wow. just amazing!

thank you again. once i get my fit on, you've got a customer for life - love the look of the pair you sent and am sadly staring at them waiting for the replacement to arrive!

Anyone know how long does it take after you place an order online for them to contact you about finalizing the purchase?

Got my texas special in the mail today. If this is what Ciano Farmer produces, I would not recommend them.
-measurements wrong
I ordered a 34/33 regular fit and they convinced me to go with a 34/34 so the inseam could shrink 1". Due to vanity sizing, this puts the waist at 37 and that was fairly accurate (measured out at 37.4" circumfrence)
-Cuff opening was a goddamn 19" and should have been 16.5". I didn't measure the knee but the knee should have been 18.1"...so the cuff was about an inch bigger than the knee should have been.
-Inseam was not 34, but came in at 35.5". If you check their measurement board, a 34" inseam is actually a 35.5", but those brahs said they do custom inseams at no extra charge (kickstarter Q&A). In the e-mails, when they convinced me to go with a 34" inseam, they said I could send them back for hemming at no charge. It would cost me more to ship them back than it would to get them hemmed. No thanks.
-Kickstarter states that they get hidden back pocket rivets (I also see that others received their denims with rivets). They hid mine so well that I am still looking for them. Maybe they meant that they hid them in their shop and not in the jeans? I am not going to texas to find these things.
-They posted pretty pictures of blue jeans with navy thread

and when you get them, almost everything is navy. All the tackers are copper...not too bad except for the three weird ones right on my junk. Really, it is not a good look for me. And it is up front...not like the red gustin taint tacker. I still like that red taint tacker.

So that is where they fell short of their promises. Add the fact that when I ordered the earlier bird and later upped my pledge to include the texas special, they kicked me out of the earlier bird...hence therefore I just got them.

After that, I am not too keen on the texas denim. It starts out soft and no crispness. Also, the weft is a light blue shade instead of white. Actually, those aren't too bad. They do feel like they would be comfortable, but if you want the "raw denim" feel, you will not find it here. And the blue-ish weft gives them a more saturated look...if you are into that. Either way, for $70...not a bad denim.

my other complaint is that the back pockets feel way too low on me. They sit below my butt...so there is my butt and then my pockets. Check it out! Here is a picture of my butt with a red line where they pockets are.  These pockets on my butt make me think of Tara Reid for some wonky reason. 




and here are other pictures


see the three copper tackers at my crotch? Sorry for the back to back butt crotch shots...we are done with that now



and I didn't mention it yet, but the chainstitch is super loose on the cuffs. It isn't like that on any of my other jeans.
Fun fact, I am in my underwear in that picture. LOL! LAUGH OUT LOUD! Under armor underwear FTW!


another view of those weird tackers. I get it...the tacker machine is set up for that color and it takes a time to change it out. Lifetime guaranteed with funky crotch tackers.




super hidden rivets! Did you find them yet?



colour comparison with the 13.5 ounce kaihara twill. The texas denims are the ones with the blue weft.



I know, you are saying, "but rex regit regis regorum, you are not pulling the tape tight!" well, if you pull them both, they still end up at 24...and I am not just pulling the jeans to pull them. I pull or push enough to get them flat. I don't know why most denimheads seem to assume that the person measuring is at fault. It is so weird...or maybe I am just used to Gustonia.


and this doesn't bother me, but it might bother some brahs out there. The buttons and the rivets doe not match.
I know, no big deal, but if that bothers you, then...be warned.


so...other than all of that...I like the concept. I like the idea. I liked the idea of paying a little more than lawless for a few more details (oh, also little hangy straps on the inside and they printed words and pictures on the inside and did the hang tags, included information on washing your denims, leather jobbers on all rivets [shoot, they even hid those on my back pocket rivets]...I really do like all of that.), but these just don't work for me. There are too many glaring errors. I knew it when I first put them on and was stepping on a good amount of denim that the measurements were wrong...even in the car coming home from the post office, I saw the cuff and thought, "oh crap...that looks huge." Yes, I opened the box in the parking lot and occasionally looked at the jawns at red lights on the ride home.

I was looking forward to my first brown selvedge jawns, but now...not so much. For those of you waiting...be warned...it might not actually be worth the wait...or even a shorter wait.

idk about you guys but I've probably measured my jeans over 50 times since getting into raw denim.

I just dont see the point of vanity sizing for the raw denim crowd... we know exactly what we are. there is no need to make us feel good about our size.

it just adds excess confusion...

sorry about your CF jeans, Rex.

Hopefully, Ciano makes it right.

oh crap, left that out. I went with their "regular" fit...which is the straight.
and I don't mind vanity sizing...providing that you give the actual measurements somewhere.
part of me thought that if they were 1" over, I could just get a nice little cuff, so I went with that 34"
based on my dealings with the texas denim, I don't think it would hold a clean cuff either way.
plus they are like the Gustin's with the 36" inseam...I would have to do the dreaded double roll. 
which isn't too bad if you have a good stiff denims....but I am rambling now.

eh, they also gave me the runaround on why my jeans were so late. They said my order was the only earlier bird with a texas denim...but if you go to the texas denim thread, Ciano Farmer himself (the same guy that e-mailed me) is posting pictures of a texas denim in an earlier bird order.
So on 12 December he posts photos of the earlier bird texas denim and on 18 December he tells me that there were no other orders with the earlier bird texas denim.
Sounds like everyone has a much better experience with these guys and they save up all of their turds for me. It's ok. I will be the kid in the basement...you can be the people living it up in Omelas. You don't have to walk away from Omelas...I understand.

poor poor rex.  sad little guy...out in the snow. 

@rex no fun to open a package after such a wait and be met with disappointment. do you think you'll chalk it up to a loss or try to get it resolved? the strange rear pocket placement is what kept me from ordering the 5-pocket in the duck canvas. ciano did say he'd move the pockets, but i'd have to figure out where i want them...which made me just go for the chinos instead. (he did give a sound reason for the pocket placement in that the local farmers requested them low for easy access to their tools/gear)

let us know if you ever find those rivets.

Rex

as stated before...Mike has a note to change your inseam to a 34" i/o 33" if that was a mistake we will be glad to re-hem them for you..

as for the hidden rivets we can add or remake them for you with the hidden rivets...I have a note from Mike on the sew ticket not to add the hidden rivets..if that was a mistake then I would be glad to add them for you...

please email me @ciano@cianofarmer.com.....we are usually pretty good at responding back to all orders...sometimes our emails do go into your spam or junk box.

but email me so i can follow up with you...Cheers Ciano

As we have noted before in the forum, the best approach for order issues is to contact the manufacturer directly first.

While it is good information for members to know how orders come out etc. it's best to have a dialog first with the brand to clear up any issues/confusion before posting to the forum.

We all appreciate transparency, but as we see here it can lead to confusion.
Thanks Winterland

Winterland, understood. I did e-mail ciano first, but pretty much immediately posted here after I sent that e-mail. I received an e-mail response from Ciano and their list of excuses is still silly. I do think this information is appropriate for the people. If you disagree, please let me know. This will be the last post from me on this topic.
3. They changed the fit guide between the kickstarter and when they sent out the confirmation e-mail. I didn't check the fit guide in the e-mail because I thought it was the same. I checked the waist to be sure, but not all others. None of their updates etc reference a new fit guide or have one clearly shown. The e-mail also didn't say, "Please note that we updated the fit guide for all measurements other than the waist." I do not think a normal person would assume that they put a new one in the e-mail. Looks like it is my fault. What a silly customer I am. Anyone ordered from the kickstarter, be careful because your jeans will not match what is on kickstarter.
Here is the kickstarter fit guide for the regulars...which apparently now is a slim.



but I will say, they were accurate with the new fit guide. Trust me, I was shocked when Ciano sent me the e-mail saying they matched the fit I ordered. I immediately went to their kickstarter and saw that I was right...then went to their website and saw the new fit chart and saw something different.

2. does anyone here expect different colour bar tacks? When you say navy thread, do you expect it all to be navy? Am I the crazy one? Is that really a good answer? They post a picture of blue jeans with navy thread and then state on the topic of custom denim with navy sewing thread: "It will be a great reference for everyone to see what the different thread colours look like on certain denim."
at no point does it say to make sure your tackers are selected as navy...and then the order form doesn't ask what colour tackers you want. I will say that now that I go through their kickstarter update pages, you can see the majority do have copper tackers, but it is not as obvious until everything else is tonal on a pair of blue jeans.

1. Ok, from the appearance, it was weird about the whole earlier bird...and I am now pretty sure that they think I backed only a texas denim and paid $163 for it. One of these days, I am going to convince them that I backed the khaki denim at $95 for the earlier bird before the texas existed and then upped my pledge before the kickstarter closed to include the texas at $68. At least...that is my dream.
also, note that the earlier bird was not cheaper. The only incentive for being one of the first 50 backers is that you get yours first. Well, after the 20oz kids...and in my case...everyone else. The earlier e-mails from Mike said they were going to do my texas first and then do the khaki when we got the fit right. I guess after that, everyone just assumed I only ordered the texas.

4. They specifically wrote "no hidden rivets" on my cut form. Here is the ciano farmer order form I used.
cianofarmer.typeform.com/to/r6RsYp
it says for regular back pockets, you will get rivets. It is not an option (and I did not order the selvedge pocket...I got the regular pockets). I have never had a pair of jeans with hidden rivets and was a little excited about it. So why they would write no hidden rivets on my cut sheet makes a no sense.

5. the inseam thing sounds like a bad joke. One of them e-mails me and says (paraphrase), "you said 33, we will make it 34 for shrinkage" and I gave that the OK. The next guy sees 34 and says, "better add an inch!" and I end up with 35.5.

the chain stitch thing...I wasn't sure and that is why i posted it. Sounds like that is fine...and maybe better.


Either way, I also got the same response from Ciano in an e-mail. I will be sending back my jeans for a replacement which will take at least a few more weeks. Shipping least 1 week, typically 2 weeks, each way for me. I am sure they will fix it, but after all of the time and hassles...at the end, it isn't something fun anymore.