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Post by whiskeyriver on Feb 10, 2016 16:11:32 GMT -6
Just received an email back from ABFits. They can't do 21 oz denim. Well I'll be damned. Haha. They have changed their policy. Ah well. |
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Post by devastitis on Feb 10, 2016 16:12:36 GMT -6
Just received an email back from ABFits. They can't do 21 oz denim. Well I'll be damned. Haha. They have changed their policy. Ah well. This was the email I received: Thank you for inquiring. Unfortunately at this time we cannot hem jeans at 21oz. Since our machine does a 3/8" chainstitch instead of the 1/2" it hasn't been taking the heavier denim well. Please let me know if we can help with anything else and let me know if I can help you with any other denim needs. |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 10, 2016 16:51:13 GMT -6
BTW, don't know if it's been mentioned, but the 21's are almost black. I guess that's cool. We'll see how they fade though. What I love about the 18's is the electric but dark blue color. These look much better made than the Beasts were. But I will never fault Gustin for the 26's - that was a bitch task for a first foray into super heavy. You've also washed (or dos wash) the 18s quite a few times, didn't you? Yeah, for sure I did. Now, I do soaks and hang dry. Just did the 21's - already dry as it's 90º here. They don't feel like 21oz to me - very similar to the 18's. But that's OK as I love the 18's. Some dye on the towel, but nothing like the first pair I bought - the Heavy Americans. Time will tell - have to try these on now, post-soak. |
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Post by Jdub6 on Feb 10, 2016 17:17:09 GMT -6
Received the 21's. Please appreciate I'm not an IH fanboy and have tooo damn many G products, however, leave the heavyweights to the big boys. You motherfers NEED to cop the 19L or whatevs/equivalents (yes I know sizing is a pain in the dick and you're comfortable with G sizing-if that is possible;) on Rodeo Bros right now. As others have mentioned, these are a nice deal no doubt for 120 bucks; thought they were less weight yet they def feel as heavy as the IH 21S. I wish I had read this post 3 years ago as I would have saved myself a bunch of cash with IHUK prices making me wince and never investigate further. Color is darker and the feel is different/stiffer as the IH 21S are super soft (like sweat pant soft) from the get go. FWIW, I'll take my IHs(RB pricing-no-brainer). The IH construction standards (poly cotton stitching, etc.) really pay dividends with this heavier stuff. IH19L $191 global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-rodeo/item/666s-19l/ |
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Post by seth on Feb 10, 2016 18:37:11 GMT -6
Received the 21's. Please appreciate I'm not an IH fanboy and have tooo damn many G products, however, leave the heavyweights to the big boys. You motherfers NEED to cop the 19L or whatevs/equivalents (yes I know sizing is a pain in the dick and you're comfortable with G sizing-if that is possible;) on Rodeo Bros right now. As others have mentioned, these are a nice deal no doubt for 120 bucks; thought they were less weight yet they def feel as heavy as the IH 21S. I wished I had read this post 3 years ago as I would have saved myself a bunch of cash as IHUK prices made me wince. Color is darker and the feel is different/stiffer as the IH 21S are super soft (like sweat pant soft) from the get go. FWIW, I'll take my IHs(RB pricing-no-brainer). The IH construction standards (poly cotton stitching, etc.) really pay dividends with this heavier stuff. IH19L $191 global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-rodeo/item/666s-19l/Interesting. $191. They dropped the retail price over 1000 Yen for some reason. It was $203 a couple days ago. |
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Post by devastitis on Feb 10, 2016 18:38:51 GMT -6
Received the 21's. Please appreciate I'm not an IH fanboy and have tooo damn many G products, however, leave the heavyweights to the big boys. You motherfers NEED to cop the 19L or whatevs/equivalents (yes I know sizing is a pain in the dick and you're comfortable with G sizing-if that is possible;) on Rodeo Bros right now. As others have mentioned, these are a nice deal no doubt for 120 bucks; thought they were less weight yet they def feel as heavy as the IH 21S. I wished I had read this post 3 years ago as I would have saved myself a bunch of cash as IHUK prices made me wince. Color is darker and the feel is different/stiffer as the IH 21S are super soft (like sweat pant soft) from the get go. FWIW, I'll take my IHs(RB pricing-no-brainer). The IH construction standards (poly cotton stitching, etc.) really pay dividends with this heavier stuff. IH19L $191 global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-rodeo/item/666s-19l/Interesting. $191. They dropped the retail price over 1000 Yen for some reason. It was $203 a couple days ago. Might be the yen? |
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Post by seth on Feb 10, 2016 18:43:55 GMT -6
Interesting. $191. They dropped the retail price over 1000 Yen for some reason. It was $203 a couple days ago. Might be the yen? No, the value of the Yen did not decline that much in that short a period of time. The retailer lowered the advertised price from ¥ 23,000 or something like that to ¥ 22,000. |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 10, 2016 19:46:31 GMT -6
Received the 21's. Please appreciate I'm not an IH fanboy and have tooo damn many G products, however, leave the heavyweights to the big boys. You motherfers NEED to cop the 19L or whatevs/equivalents (yes I know sizing is a pain in the dick and you're comfortable with G sizing-if that is possible;) on Rodeo Bros right now. As others have mentioned, these are a nice deal no doubt for 120 bucks; thought they were less weight yet they def feel as heavy as the IH 21S. I wished I had read this post 3 years ago as I would have saved myself a bunch of cash as IHUK prices made me wince. Color is darker and the feel is different/stiffer as the IH 21S are super soft (like sweat pant soft) from the get go. FWIW, I'll take my IHs(RB pricing-no-brainer). The IH construction standards (poly cotton stitching, etc.) really pay dividends with this heavier stuff. Not to discount IH, but Gustin uses cotton/poly thread throughout, but that's about the end of the similarities, other than the general five-pocket design. |
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Post by hopsbreath on Feb 10, 2016 20:03:14 GMT -6
First pair of Gustin Jeans just landed. Japan 21's were going to be my first pair of heavyweight jeans also but my wife got me some Iron Hearts for Christmas. Overall I'm really impressed with Gustin's product. First to the fabric, it's really nice. It's definitely firm at the moment but it's going to be a really easy break in. Is it Iron Heart? I don't think so, it's just a little too crispy. For 1/3rd the price though, I'm really thrilled with the bang for the buck. The jeans made it within spec too, albeit just a hair on the slim side all over. Good thing I got the straight fit, I'll be needing every bit of room it allows through the waist and thigh. They're as snug as can be without actually being what I'd describe as "tight". They should break in nicely and have great fade lines. . Very happy with this fit. Construction seems high quality all over upon examination with one exception. The Selvedge belt loop is properly sewn onto the fell seam but the corresponding side loop opposite it is not. Selvedge loop:   Opposite loop:   That loop is definitely irksome, but otherwise a well constructed pair of jeans so not a deal breaker. For $121 I'm very pleased and feel like I got a killer deal here. Now let's see how they hold up. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2016 20:30:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the great pics and the write up hopsbreath. Just an FYI, the IH 21oz are $204.00 on Rakuten right now so the G 21oz isn't quite a third of the price  |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 10, 2016 20:31:19 GMT -6
hopsbreath - I don't know if that's a construction error, the tucked part of the loops refers to them being folded under and sewn into the waistband. Typically you wouldn't want to see through that seam since you're taking about four layers of fabric and sewing it into four more layers, which increases the possibility of exploding needles. Regardless, the symmetricality of the belt loops is a typical struggle on gustin jeans, unfortunately. It doesn't end up causing many issues unless they're too close to the fly to work a belt properly, so it's really best not to look into it. 
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Post by DigDug on Feb 10, 2016 20:48:42 GMT -6
I think G's Discription of "soft" should have been Smooth Hand.
These 21's are Crisp and bit stiff but I think with some wear and a soak to get rid of the starch they'll soften up.
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Post by devastitis on Feb 10, 2016 20:56:25 GMT -6
Thanks for the great pics and the write up hopsbreath. Just an FYI, the IH 21oz are $204.00 on Rakuten right now so the G 21oz isn't quite a third of the price link? |
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2016 21:01:02 GMT -6
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Post by northcoast on Feb 10, 2016 21:18:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the great pics and the write up hopsbreath . Just an FYI, the IH 21oz are $204.00 on Rakuten right now so the G 21oz isn't quite a third of the price link? You know, I was just thinking that D needed more pants. Go get 'em! |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 10, 2016 21:29:07 GMT -6
hopsbreath - I don't know if that's a construction error, the tucked part of the loops refers to them being folded under and sewn into the waistband. Typically you wouldn't want to see through that seam since you're taking about four layers of fabric and sewing it into four more layers, which increases the possibility of exploding needles. Regardless, the symmetricality of the belt loops is a typical struggle on gustin jeans, unfortunately. It doesn't end up causing many issues unless they're too close to the fly to work a belt properly, so it's really best not to look into it. All that said, out of the many gustin pairs I have, only two exhibit this, my Japan21s and black x aqua (which are far from heavy). |
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Post by devastitis on Feb 10, 2016 21:30:31 GMT -6
I keep forgetting you wear 634s. Are these the flagship denims with Zimb cotton? |
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2016 21:41:39 GMT -6
I keep forgetting you wear 634s. Are these the flagship denims with Zimb cotton? There are also other fits for the 21oz in the link that I posted, but yes I do wear the 634 cut. These are the flagship 21oz denim but IH no longer uses Zimb cotton for this fabric. They quit using Zimb cotton quite some time ago. |
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Post by Jdub6 on Feb 10, 2016 22:35:55 GMT -6
I have a suspicion the evo on these 21s will be fairly stubborn, a characteristic shared with all my Gs (extremely stubborn from Okayama to original Zims, loomstate Zim, etc. minus the Zim 18 for $185...). The richness and beauty I've experienced with IH(21s, UHR, 19L) was a most pleasant surprise as I was mainly attracted to construction standards. All of my IH jeans look amazing compared to any of my Gs with years(!) of serious wear compared to months or weeks (UHR!)in the IHs. Really amazing denim. If your're dropping any where near $150, please do yourself the favor of checking out stated IH, PBJ, ONI.
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Post by exophobe on Feb 10, 2016 22:44:14 GMT -6
I have a suspicion the evo on these 21s will be fairly stubborn, a characteristic shared with all my Gs (extremely stubborn from Okayama to original Zims, loomstate Zim, etc. minus the Zim 18 for $185...). The richness and beauty I've experienced with IH(21s, UHR, 19L) was a most pleasant surprise as I was mainly attracted to construction standards. All of my IH jeans look amazing compared to any of my Gs with years(!) of serious wear compared to months or weeks (UHR!)in the IHs. Really amazing denim. If your're dropping any where near $150, please do yourself the favor of checking out stated IH, PBJ, ONI. do you have any comparison pictures stacking something of similar weight in gustin compared to something you're happy with from iron heart? I'm not trying to call you out, I just think it'd be neat to see a picture of what you're describing. I was noticing today that my sixteeners are really coming along after a year and thinking I should take some pictures. |
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Post by Jdub6 on Feb 10, 2016 22:44:48 GMT -6
Received the 21's. Please appreciate I'm not an IH fanboy and have tooo damn many G products, however, leave the heavyweights to the big boys. You motherfers NEED to cop the 19L or whatevs/equivalents (yes I know sizing is a pain in the dick and you're comfortable with G sizing-if that is possible;) on Rodeo Bros right now. As others have mentioned, these are a nice deal no doubt for 120 bucks; thought they were less weight yet they def feel as heavy as the IH 21S. I wished I had read this post 3 years ago as I would have saved myself a bunch of cash as IHUK prices made me wince. Color is darker and the feel is different/stiffer as the IH 21S are super soft (like sweat pant soft) from the get go. FWIW, I'll take my IHs(RB pricing-no-brainer). The IH construction standards (poly cotton stitching, etc.) really pay dividends with this heavier stuff. Not to discount IH, but Gustin uses cotton/poly thread throughout, but that's about the end of the similarities, other than the general five-pocket design. The construction on mine looked fairly solid. I wasn't aware of Gustin utilizing polycotton. The thread diameter is certainly smaller with Gs. Remember to treat all your veg patches with Obenauf LP or equivalent, especially if your hot soaking:) Patch looks sick if you use a heat gun as you can get a really nice immediate patina. |
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Post by Jdub6 on Feb 10, 2016 22:59:49 GMT -6
I have a suspicion the evo on these 21s will be fairly stubborn, a characteristic shared with all my Gs (extremely stubborn from Okayama to original Zims, loomstate Zim, etc. minus the Zim 18 for $185...). The richness and beauty I've experienced with IH(21s, UHR, 19L) was a most pleasant surprise as I was mainly attracted to construction standards. All of my IH jeans look amazing compared to any of my Gs with years(!) of serious wear compared to months or weeks (UHR!)in the IHs. Really amazing denim. If your're dropping any where near $150, please do yourself the favor of checking out stated IH, PBJ, ONI. do you have any comparison pictures stacking something of similar weight in gustin compared to something you're happy with from iron heart? I'm not trying to call you out, I just think it'd be neat to see a picture of what you're describing. I was noticing today that my sixteeners are really coming along after a year and thinking I should take some pictures. For sure:) I was so impressed with these 666UHR I scored recently from their sale I've been looking for my proper digital camera to take a pic of all them outside. One good example is the Gustin #107 Zimbabwe which I have worn quite a bit for 2 years and washed only once...they're a bit lighter in blue... My Gustin Zimbabwe 18s have been worn certainly more then my IH and none would be the wiser looking at my new UHR and they're (G18s) easily the best bleeders out of the bunch. All one has to do is take the time to look through the IHUK product forum. I'm sold on Oni, PBJ, etc. I love my Gustins although like many have come to the point where they take inventory and weed out the ballers:) Read more: selvedgestyle.com/thread/39/new-arrivals?page=34#ixzz3zpfgaewu |
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Post by hopsbreath on Feb 11, 2016 8:32:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the great pics and the write up hopsbreath. Just an FYI, the IH 21oz are $204.00 on Rakuten right now so the G 21oz isn't quite a third of the price One of these days I need to actually use Rakuten, I keep forgetting about that place. I was definitely thinking about IHUK prices. |
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Post by cellbitch on Feb 11, 2016 11:15:26 GMT -6
So, I know a few people are saying they don't think that this is IH. After wearing for 30 mins post-soak, I'm still pretty convinced that it *is* IH. Or, again, a really convincing knock-off. The "crispiness" will be gone in a few hours to few days, and these have similar drape, hand feel, and weft color. FWIW. And I own XHS, UHR, and flagship.
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Post by Old26 on Feb 11, 2016 11:18:24 GMT -6
So, I know a few people are saying they don't think that this is IH. After wearing for 30 mins post-soak, I'm still pretty convinced that it *is* IH. Or, again, a really convincing knock-off. The "crispiness" will be gone in a few hours to few days, and these have similar drape, hand feel, and weft color. FWIW. And I own XHS, UHR, and flagship. After a day in these, post-soak, my only gripe is that the lower leg is waaaaay to wide. Don't know if I can handle these. And I'm not sure I can find someone to tailor the legs either. So disappointed. The jeans are super nice - well made and a great denim (still doesn't feel like 21) but the cut sucks. |
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