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Post by brentkuz on Feb 28, 2015 18:18:43 GMT -6
Jesus Christ that was 10 weeks with no gear at all?
That is insane.
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 17:11:10 GMT -6
Hey guys, I wanna start up a workout regime and stick to it indefinitely. I'm a man of habit and once I get used to something it angers and pains me to change so I just need some information on what I need to start.
I went to the gym semi-regularly for a few months in my 2nd year of uni but haven't gone back since... until today. Went and just ran a couple miles and I feel pretty good now; I want to make this a lifestyle.
I don't know where to start when it comes to supplements. Could you guys tell me what's in a good starter kit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 17:49:53 GMT -6
Hey guys, I wanna start up a workout regime and stick to it indefinitely. I'm a man of habit and once I get used to something it angers and pains me to change so I just need some information on what I need to start. I went to the gym semi-regularly for a few months in my 2nd year of uni but haven't gone back since... until today. Went and just ran a couple miles and I feel pretty good now; I want to make this a lifestyle. I don't know where to start when it comes to supplements. Could you guys tell me what's in a good starter kit? For anyone just starting, I always recommend Starting Strength by Rippetoe or Stronglifts by Mehdi. Very simple, but very effective progressive strength programs. For supplements, I recommend protein powder, Phase8 being my favorite, creatine, Bodybuilding.com brand is pretty good and cheap, and BCAAs if you do fasted workouts. Lift three times a week, Mon/Wed/Fri or Tues/Thurs/Sat. Drink a cup of coffee pre-workout, BCAAs during, Drink a protein shake with 5g creatine right after, and your biggest meal soon after that. Once you master the basic compound Olympic lifts and stall/plateau, then you should change to more intermediate or advanced workouts. |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 18:46:17 GMT -6
Would this protern powder with BCAAs in it be good enough? I've had it on top of my fridge for a couple years but as far as I know it doesn't go bad... As for creatine, this should do, right? I normally don't eat until early dinner time so I guess my workouts will be fasted. |
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 2, 2015 19:37:26 GMT -6
I would say just get a solid protein powder and a good multivitamin.
Get your diet in check.
Workout 3-5 times a week.
Bodybuilding.com has a ton of workout routines for all levels.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:00:20 GMT -6
Would this protern powder with BCAAs in it be good enough? I've had it on top of my fridge for a couple years but as far as I know it doesn't go bad... As for creatine, this should do, right? I normally don't eat until early dinner time so I guess my workouts will be fasted. Check the expiration date. I believe they do go bad. Also, BCAAs are present in protein powders because proteins are made up of amino acids. BCAAs are a separate supplement so that you can keep training while staying fasted. They aren't completely necessary, but they do have their benefits if you're willing to spend money on them. For fasted workouts they're pretty much a must have. Also, are you on an intermittent fasting diet? If so, there's specific workouts for IF diets. LeanGains.com gives great info on IF dieting, workouts, and supplements. |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 20:09:42 GMT -6
Alright, I'll get new whey then. As for BCAAs, capsules or powder?
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Post by ickes on Mar 2, 2015 20:09:57 GMT -6
Get your diet in check by eating a clean diet of whole foods. Protein at every meal. Supplements; Multivitamin, Fish, ProJYM protein, PreJYM preworkout, PostJYM post workout, and PostJYM fast digesting carbs. JYM products are the only products I recommend right now and the only products I will use at this point. I highly disagree with devastitis when he says BCAAs aren't completely necessary, I believe they are. as for the workouts I agree with brentkuz, bodybuilding.com has a ton of workouts to choose from |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 20:10:03 GMT -6
Would this protern powder with BCAAs in it be good enough? I've had it on top of my fridge for a couple years but as far as I know it doesn't go bad... As for creatine, this should do, right? I normally don't eat until early dinner time so I guess my workouts will be fasted. Check the expiration date. I believe they do go bad. Also, BCAAs are present in protein powders because proteins are made up of amino acids. BCAAs are a separate supplement so that you can keep training while staying fasted. They aren't completely necessary, but they do have their benefits if you're willing to spend money on them. For fasted workouts they're pretty much a must have. Also, are you on an intermittent fasting diet? If so, there's specific workouts for IF diets. LeanGains.com gives great info on IF dieting, workouts, and supplements. Alright, I'll get new protein then. As for BCAAs, capsules or powder? |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 20:18:50 GMT -6
Get your diet in check by eating a clean diet of whole foods. Protein at every meal. Supplements; Multivitamin, Fish, ProJYM protein, PreJYM preworkout, PostJYM post workout, and PostJYM fast digesting carbs. JYM products are the only products I recommend right now and the only products I will use at this point. I highly disagree with devastitis when he says BCAAs aren't completely necessary, I believe they are. as for the workouts I agree with brentkuz, bodybuilding.com has a ton of workouts to choose from That's a substantial start up investment. Could you narrow it down to protein plus one other product? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:58:24 GMT -6
Get your diet in check by eating a clean diet of whole foods. Protein at every meal. Supplements; Multivitamin, Fish, ProJYM protein, PreJYM preworkout, PostJYM post workout, and PostJYM fast digesting carbs. JYM products are the only products I recommend right now and the only products I will use at this point. I highly disagree with devastitis when he says BCAAs aren't completely necessary, I believe they are. as for the workouts I agree with brentkuz, bodybuilding.com has a ton of workouts to choose from That's a substantial start up investment. Could you narrow it down to protein plus one other product? They aren't completely necessary. If you are the type to consume a carb + protein meal before working out, or a quick carb + protein snack preworkout, then you get BCAAs from the protein. But if you workout fasted, they are necessary. phait Those will help you, but aren't completely necessary. If you have the money, go for it, but if you don't, cover the basics. Basics are a protein powder with more than one type of protein in them (not just whey protein isolate), solid multi-V (Optimen by Optimum Nutrition is good), basic micronized creatine, and extra BCAAs in powder form (currently taking Modern BCAA+, but a lot of people swear by Xtend). When it comes to workouts, there's too many workouts that have too many different exercises to them. Fine for intermediate to advanced lifters, but for beginning lifters, it's best to just keep it simple. That's where Starting Strength or Stronglifts come in. Or just a basic Reverse Pyramid Training rippedbody.jp/reverse-pyramid-training/ |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 21:15:35 GMT -6
Alright. Bought Pro Jym protein, Dymatize Creatine, ON BCAA powder. Should all be here this week. Thanks for the guidance, guys!
I'll work through Starting Strength.
Hopefully I don't get too big and have to size up all my denim :S
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:59:54 GMT -6
Alright. Bought Pro Jym protein, Dymatize Creatine, ON BCAA powder. Should all be here this week. Thanks for the guidance, guys! I'll work through Starting Strength. Hopefully I don't get too big and have to size up all my denim :S Did you buy flavorless BCAAs? If so, you might want to mix it with zero sugar drinks like Vitamin Water Zero to make it easier to take. Most people buy flavored BCAAs like Xtend because then you can mix it with water. |
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Post by phait on Mar 2, 2015 22:09:53 GMT -6
Alright. Bought Pro Jym protein, Dymatize Creatine, ON BCAA powder. Should all be here this week. Thanks for the guidance, guys! I'll work through Starting Strength. Hopefully I don't get too big and have to size up all my denim :S Did you buy flavorless BCAAs? If so, you might want to mix it with zero sugar drinks like Vitamin Water Zero to make it easier to take. Most people buy flavored BCAAs like Xtend because then you can mix it with water. Yea it's flavourless. I don't foresee any issues with mixing with water, I'm not picky with flavours unless it's sweet, in which case I don't want it. |
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Post by Winterland on Mar 2, 2015 22:31:35 GMT -6
Alright. Bought Pro Jym protein, Dymatize Creatine, ON BCAA powder. Should all be here this week. Thanks for the guidance, guys! I'll work through Starting Strength. Hopefully I don't get too big and have to size up all my denim :S This was my first lifting routine after 6 months of body weight exercises. Take your time finding your starting weights. It was very encouraging program for me as I am very goal oriented and being able to increase your weight week after week is very cool. I wasn't able to add as much as recommended all the time but being able to go up at all still has you adding strength and in turn muscle if you eat right. |
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Post by Winterland on Mar 2, 2015 22:50:28 GMT -6
Would this protern powder with BCAAs in it be good enough? I've had it on top of my fridge for a couple years but as far as I know it doesn't go bad... As for creatine, this should do, right? I normally don't eat until early dinner time so I guess my workouts will be fasted. Eating right is very important. I would suggest you start eating a decent size healthy breakfast. Gets the metabolism going. It is good for you especially if you work out a few hours after that as you need the energy. Read about when and what to eat otherwise the working out won't be optimized. I wasn't a breakfast guy and gained weight getting older, not watching what I ate etc. I now eat more calories than before but eat nutritious foods with the right micros and work out. Have way more muscle and low fat now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:51:11 GMT -6
Alright. Bought Pro Jym protein, Dymatize Creatine, ON BCAA powder. Should all be here this week. Thanks for the guidance, guys! I'll work through Starting Strength. Hopefully I don't get too big and have to size up all my denim :S This was my first lifting routine after 6 months of body weight exercises. Take your time finding your starting weights. It was very encouraging program for me as I am very goal oriented and being able to increase your weight week after week is very cool. I wasn't able to add as much as recommended all the time but being able to go up at all still has you adding strength and in turn muscle if you eat right. I always recommend starting at just the bar. Only because I see it as a long term plan to both master compound exercises and get strong, and not one of those 6 weeks to ripped workouts. 5/10 lb increments every other workout will get you plateauing before you know it, and the visual of adding on weights each workout is a great motivator. |
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Post by ickes on Mar 2, 2015 23:38:16 GMT -6
That's a substantial start up investment. Could you narrow it down to protein plus one other product? They aren't completely necessary. If you are the type to consume a carb + protein meal before working out, or a quick carb + protein snack preworkout, then you get BCAAs from the protein. But if you workout fasted, they are necessary. phait Those will help you, but aren't completely necessary. If you have the money, go for it, but if you don't, cover the basics. Basics are a protein powder with more than one type of protein in them (not just whey protein isolate), solid multi-V (Optimen by Optimum Nutrition is good), basic micronized creatine, and extra BCAAs in powder form (currently taking Modern BCAA+, but a lot of people swear by Xtend). When it comes to workouts, there's too many workouts that have too many different exercises to them. Fine for intermediate to advanced lifters, but for beginning lifters, it's best to just keep it simple. That's where Starting Strength or Stronglifts come in. Or just a basic Reverse Pyramid Training rippedbody.jp/reverse-pyramid-training/I think we are arguing the same point here devastitis. I am saying BCAAs are absolutely essential no matter how you get them (whole foods or supplements).
I'll say this again but I feel like I'm repeating myself quite a bit here. I know you have already spent your money phait but to blunt with you, you are wasting it by buying any of the majority of products out there that are quite honestly...garbage. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY on SciVation Xtend or any other of the majority of the BCAA pixie dust powders that are out there. When you look at the labels on 99% of those products you will see a "proprietary blend" that does NOT list the amount of ingredients in the prop blend. They will under dose the key ingredients you need (i.e. aminos) and fill the rest of their magical proprietary blend with fillers. I guarantee you if you look on the labels of what you ordered when you get them you will see at least one proprietary blend, however when you look on the label of your ProJYM you will see every ingredient listed and in clinical doses that are proven to show results.
I know I sound like a JYM fanboy but if you're looking for a good solid base of supplements all you need are ProJYM, PreJYM, PostJYM, VitaJYM, and ZMAJYM. I would link a video on how to take all of that stuff but it doesn't matter at this point as you have already ordered what you have. PreJYM and PostJYM cover all the BCAAs and nutrients you need pre and post workout which are probably the most critical times to get the nutrients you need. There is no need for an Intra workout BCAA drink when you take the JYM line.
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Post by ickes on Mar 2, 2015 23:55:04 GMT -6
On another note, I am in the process of cutting for summer time and it has been successful so far. My waist measurement is just under 33.5" now, down from my winter measurement of 35", and I am getting closer to my goal of a 10" chest to waist ratio. My chest has actually gotten a tad smaller as a result of my cutting as it's at 41.5" now but I've gained an inch on my chest to waist ratio as it's now at an 8" drop, up from the 7" drop I had in the winter bulk. I'm working to gain another half inch back on my chest and drop another half inch from my waist. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 0:58:54 GMT -6
On another note, I am in the process of cutting for summer time and it has been successful so far. My waist measurement is just under 33.5" now, down from my winter measurement of 35", and I am getting closer to my goal of a 10" chest to waist ratio. My chest has actually gotten a tad smaller as a result of my cutting as it's at 41.5" now but I've gained an inch on my chest to waist ratio as it's now at an 8" drop, up from the 7" drop I had in the winter bulk. I'm working to gain another half inch back on my chest and drop another half inch from my waist. We shall see. So are you going to start backing denims in 33 slim now? It'll make it easier to pick out clothes by season. 32s for summer, 33s for spring and fall, and 34s for winter. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 1:04:24 GMT -6
ickes They aren't completely necessary. If you are the type to consume a carb + protein meal before working out, or a quick carb + protein snack preworkout, then you get BCAAs from the protein. But if you workout fasted, they are necessary. phait Those will help you, but aren't completely necessary. If you have the money, go for it, but if you don't, cover the basics. Basics are a protein powder with more than one type of protein in them (not just whey protein isolate), solid multi-V (Optimen by Optimum Nutrition is good), basic micronized creatine, and extra BCAAs in powder form (currently taking Modern BCAA+, but a lot of people swear by Xtend). When it comes to workouts, there's too many workouts that have too many different exercises to them. Fine for intermediate to advanced lifters, but for beginning lifters, it's best to just keep it simple. That's where Starting Strength or Stronglifts come in. Or just a basic Reverse Pyramid Training rippedbody.jp/reverse-pyramid-training/ I think we are arguing the same point here devastitis. I am saying BCAAs are absolutely essential no matter how you get them (whole foods or supplements).
I'll say this again but I feel like I'm repeating myself quite a bit here. I know you have already spent your money phait but to blunt with you, you are wasting it by buying any of the majority of products out there that are quite honestly...garbage. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY on SciVation Xtend or any other of the majority of the BCAA pixie dust powders that are out there. When you look at the labels on 99% of those products you will see a "proprietary blend" that does NOT list the amount of ingredients in the prop blend. They will under dose the key ingredients you need (i.e. aminos) and fill the rest of their magical proprietary blend with fillers. I guarantee you if you look on the labels of what you ordered when you get them you will see at least one proprietary blend, however when you look on the label of your ProJYM you will see every ingredient listed and in clinical doses that are proven to show results.
I know I sound like a JYM fanboy but if you're looking for a good solid base of supplements all you need are ProJYM, PreJYM, PostJYM, VitaJYM, and ZMAJYM. I would link a video on how to take all of that stuff but it doesn't matter at this point as you have already ordered what you have. PreJYM and PostJYM cover all the BCAAs and nutrients you need pre and post workout which are probably the most critical times to get the nutrients you need. There is no need for an Intra workout BCAA drink when you take the JYM line.
Confused..Xtend is just a basic BCAA blend that has pretty much the same ratios as every other BCAA product. Also, when I workout fasted, I usually sip on at least 15g of BCAAs before and during (BCAAs aren't necessary in a post-workout concoction because you'll more than likely be downing a protein shake post-workout). PreJYM has 6g, and if I want to double it, I'll have to double the rest of the ingredients including an extra 300mg more caffeine. And ZMAs are somewhat overrated. Most people get those vitamins from real food. The Jym line might cover every facet of supplement nutrition, but for most people, it's overkill. And they seem to set a premium on transparency, because their line is pretty pricey IMO. But this is besides the point. Point being OP is just getting started and needs to focus more on sticking to one solid workout plan consistently than on supplements, and we will just have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by ickes on Mar 3, 2015 1:27:45 GMT -6
devastitis...I think We are saying the same thing. Yes, if you drink a post workout protein shake that has BCAA's in it, and you know for a fact that it actually has those BCAA's in it, then you are getting your BCAAs. You're saying BCAA's aren't necessary post workout because you're getting BCAA's post workout, if you're taking something with BCAA's post workout..lol...  I don't drink a protein shake immediately post workout, I drink my fast digesting carbs with my PostJYM which is absolutely chock full of exactly what you need post workout (BCAA's, glutamine, creatine hydrochloride, Beta-Alanine, Betaine, etc..) and the Dextrose flushes all those goodies right to my muscles that are screaming for that stuff post workout. BCAA's are absolutely necessary pre and post workout. Zinc and Magnesium is absolutely vital my friend. Zinc and magnesium are in tons of multivitamins out there, but it actually shouldn't be because Zinc and Magnesium interferes with the absorption of other minerals in multivitamins and you literally piss those away. This is why you should take a multivitamin without ZMA and take your ZMA separately, usually at night. ZMA is overrated as a sleeping agent and saying it is that is a marketing ploy imo, but you absolutely need Zinc, Magnesium, and Calcium especially if you lift. Saying you don't need to take it because you get it from your food is like saying you don't need to take multivitamins or BCAA's for that matter because you get them from your food. I agree the JYM line is not cheap and there's a reason for that, because it actually contains the ingredients you need in the doses you need and some of those ingredients are not cheap. Yes, OP is just getting started and I agree he needs a solid workout plan but that was not his question, his question was regarding supplements. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on some aspects.
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Post by ickes on Mar 3, 2015 1:28:52 GMT -6
On another note, I am in the process of cutting for summer time and it has been successful so far. My waist measurement is just under 33.5" now, down from my winter measurement of 35", and I am getting closer to my goal of a 10" chest to waist ratio. My chest has actually gotten a tad smaller as a result of my cutting as it's at 41.5" now but I've gained an inch on my chest to waist ratio as it's now at an 8" drop, up from the 7" drop I had in the winter bulk. I'm working to gain another half inch back on my chest and drop another half inch from my waist. We shall see. So are you going to start backing denims in 33 slim now? It'll make it easier to pick out clothes by season. 32s for summer, 33s for spring and fall, and 34s for winter. Probably not because 33 slim is still to tight on my glutes and thighs. |
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Post by Canucklehead on Mar 3, 2015 7:17:27 GMT -6
+1 for the bodybulding.com routines. They have a ridiculous amount of them and lots of variety based on your goals and experience.
The phone app is a big plus for me to record and manage the routine, previous weights/reps, workout rest timers, etc. Videos available for each exercise showing someone executing them are very nice, especially for beginners who aren't sure on proper form. The routine I'm on only does 6-7 targeted exercises each day in a muscle grouping and I can usually bang them out in about 40 minutes.
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 3, 2015 9:01:47 GMT -6
Personally I don't think spending money of supplements is needed at his point. Getting his diet in check will be a huge improvement plus getting back at the cardio and gym.
I still haven't seen a study that shows a bcaa sup really does anything besides helping to retain muscle mass during fasted workouts.
Also what are your base line stats? Experience? How long you been out of the gym? Etc.
Jumping into $120 of supplements seems unneeded for me.
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I don't drink a protein shake immediately post workout, I drink my fast digesting carbs with my PostJYM which is absolutely chock full of exactly what you need post workout (BCAA's, glutamine, creatine hydrochloride, Beta-Alanine, Betaine, etc..) and the Dextrose flushes all those goodies right to my muscles that are screaming for that stuff post workout. BCAA's are absolutely necessary pre and post workout.