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Post by brentkuz on Jan 29, 2015 12:10:06 GMT -6
I wish we could have custom forum ranks. Mine would be "butter hater"
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 29, 2015 12:14:39 GMT -6
I wish we could have custom forum ranks. Mine would be "butter hater"  |
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Post by felizuno on Jan 29, 2015 12:35:55 GMT -6
ZOMFG selvedge oxfords just made my wallet hurt Why? I don't get the huge draw to selvedge over normal oxford cloth? Price $109 vs $69. Please someone tell me why selvedge oxford cloth is $40 better ( or better at all) compared to a standard oxford cloth? So for me it breaks down this way: I've worn a blue OCBD ~3 days a week since I was a child (I come from a really waspy family, the kind of people who buy that baby Polo crap). I'm going to wear a blue OCBD ~3 days a week for the rest of my life if I have my way. I've had $250 MTM versions, $10 Old Navy versions, and of course plenty of Brooks Brothers extra-slims. I will agree that most people chasing the ivy look should just buy from BB. For me, as a person who has been around the block with this particular (widely offered) product, I'm looking for something to make the shirt unique to me. One of my favorite things about blue OCBD is that it's intentionally boring on the outside. As the wearer, though, I love to have extra details to fall in love with and make the shirt stand out to ME. I think everybody here understands this thinking with jeans: "Why the f*ck would somebody spend $150+ on bluejeans when Levis are $40 at Macy's?". Well, because I care about the selvedge, and the mill, and the unique color, and the fade properties, etc. Can people tell my jeans are made of Zimbabwe cotton? No. After years of buying jeans do I absolutely give a shit? Yes. For me I wear blue OCBD about as often as jeans, so it's a similar product to me. I totally understand that most people are not as compelled by the idea of a selvedge oxford shirt. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 29, 2015 12:40:12 GMT -6
I wish we could have custom forum ranks. Mine would be "butter hater" Funny I'm watching x-files season 7 right now. |
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Post by ickes on Jan 29, 2015 12:58:00 GMT -6
Why? I don't get the huge draw to selvedge over normal oxford cloth? Price $109 vs $69. Please someone tell me why selvedge oxford cloth is $40 better ( or better at all) compared to a standard oxford cloth? So for me it breaks down this way: I've worn a blue OCBD ~3 days a week since I was a child (I come from a really waspy family, the kind of people who buy that baby Polo crap). I'm going to wear a blue OCBD ~3 days a week for the rest of my life if I have my way. I've had $250 MTM versions, $10 Old Navy versions, and of course plenty of Brooks Brothers extra-slims. I will agree that most people chasing the ivy look should just buy from BB. For me, as a person who has been around the block with this particular (widely offered) product, I'm looking for something to make the shirt unique to me. One of my favorite things about blue OCBD is that it's intentionally boring on the outside. As the wearer, though, I love to have extra details to fall in love with and make the shirt stand out to ME. I think everybody here understands this thinking with jeans: "Why the f*ck would somebody spend $150+ on bluejeans when Levis are $40 at Macy's?". Well, because I care about the selvedge, and the mill, and the unique color, and the fade properties, etc. Can people tell my jeans are made of Zimbabwe cotton? No. After years of buying jeans do I absolutely give a shit? Yes. For me I wear blue OCBD about as often as jeans, so it's a similar product to me. I totally understand that most people are not as compelled by the idea of a selvedge oxford shirt. fair point felizuno, and yes one could make the same statement about selvedge denim. Why would someone pay X amount dollars more for selvedge denim when you can get regular denim for much cheaper? Of course I'm just playing devils advocate here. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 29, 2015 13:43:31 GMT -6
Funny I'm watching x-files season 7 right now. Did you see Duchovny's been talking about getting the band back together? Giggity! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 13:58:33 GMT -6
Funny I'm watching x-files season 7 right now. Did you see Duchovny's been talking about getting the band back together? Giggity! too late. feel the same way about the twin peaks revival. i even felt the arrested development return was a bit of a dud. so much time has passed...t's sometimes best to leave well enough alone |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 29, 2015 14:12:46 GMT -6
Just late enough. New topics plus I never really felt like I got closure.
Back to denim. I could care less about selvedge it's more about a raw unwashed fabric combo that with weight, weave, warp, weft. My 4 W's when looking at denim. The edge means nothing to me honestly but it comes with shuttle loom fabric.
Chambray for instance I love me chambray. Selvedge chambray doesn't do anything for me to pay a premium for.
Same with selvedge chinos.
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Post by bugula on Jan 29, 2015 14:48:35 GMT -6
Did you see Duchovny's been talking about getting the band back together? Giggity! too late. feel the same way about the twin peaks revival. i even felt the arrested development return was a bit of a dud. so much time has passed...t's sometimes best to leave well enough alone but the TP one makes sense...25yrs. |
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Post by Griffin on Jan 29, 2015 14:52:07 GMT -6
I agree that the edge itself isnt that important. But to me it indicates that the item was cut the right way from the fabric and the same way on both legs. Then they cant just cookiecut hello wild and you get wierd stuff happening at wash. Its probably not as common on Jeans as on cheap tshirts, but it eases my mind and makes me feel its premium made in the right way with attention even from the cutting stage.
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 29, 2015 15:34:06 GMT -6
I agree that the edge itself isnt that important. But to me it indicates that the item was cut the right way from the fabric and the same way on both legs. Then they cant just cookiecut hello wild and you get wierd stuff happening at wash. Its probably not as common on Jeans as on cheap tshirts, but it eases my mind and makes me feel its premium made in the right way with attention even from the cutting stage. I vote for patchwork denim from G. Just take all the scraps and make a pair, then use shirt fabric to add extra pockets. Thing would be sick. |
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Post by usctroll on Jan 29, 2015 19:48:10 GMT -6
I'm strongly considering that pink Oxford, just need to decide on tall M or slim L for the size. My classic M shirts won't stay tucked and I'm not sold in the boxy waist on the slim L. I'd also prefer non-selvedge for $40 less but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 29, 2015 23:32:18 GMT -6
I'm strongly considering that pink Oxford, just need to decide on tall M or slim L for the size. My classic M shirts won't stay tucked and I'm not sold in the boxy waist on the slim L. I'd also prefer non-selvedge for $40 less but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. /me resists telling joke about fabric cutters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 7:28:55 GMT -6
I know I am done with the Gustin, but if they offered this at a lower price, I would jumps on it.  I hope some other company that hasn't already disappointed me can find this denims and offer it for a price that a cheapskate like me (relatively speaking...some of yous guys spend like NFL Rookies, "yeah, I didn't think I needed solid gold boots, but now that I have them, I don't see how the peasants live without them. They will last forever so I can't explain why I have fifty other pairs that last forever" don't worry, I am guilty of this, myself. Sad face) can buy them. I didn't like the streaks in the pima fires, but I think this looks all kinds of purdy in the pictures. Since they are brown, you can butter up the gravy rainbow and nobody would know! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT I AM FITTING IN BY JOINING YOUR BUTTER CONVERSATION! Right? Did I do it? Whatever, GRAVY RAINBOW DANCE PARTY! But really, what I miss about Gustin is the drops twice a week. I don't think the other guys have any schedule and it leaves me feeling empty inside sometimes. That is why I am here right now. Lawless has the same ol same ol...so I was like, "where can I find new?...GUSTIN!" and then I seen those and then I posted this. |
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 30, 2015 8:08:53 GMT -6
Oh god now @rex is on the butter train.
$179 is a ton of coin and I realized why I liked Gustin in the first place. Cool fabrics and affordable price. And no I am not talking about relatively speaking compared to other companies I am talking about affordable in general.
$80-$120 is affordable. $180 is a lot of money unless you are loaded.
I think I figured out Gustin's denim. If another company offers it or it's a basic raw selvedge they are competively priced. If no one really offers the fabric they call it rare and generally you don't get a good deal on it and the Gustin crowd sourcing doesn't matter.
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Post by brentkuz on Jan 30, 2015 8:09:34 GMT -6
Forgive me I'm on my third day off in a row and I'm overthinking. I'm going to put my 26'ers on and cry.
Which sewed up to a 35 slim and are too tight but I struggle and wear them anyway because they weren't going to be re-issued.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 30, 2015 8:21:30 GMT -6
Less butter, or instead of eating it, lubricate your hips!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 8:28:37 GMT -6
I was at home puking my guts out Wednesday and recovering Thursday this week and only had minimal time in the office today (friday is over in Japan now). This would explain my recent string of posts. Sorry about the 26's, dude. When Lord Gustin broke y'alls hearts with those, that's when I knew it was time to go. I do like how the prices of Gustin went down on some things even though the cost of fabric always went up for them. The more fabric they bought, the higher the price went (that's how it works, right? And don't tell me supply and demand.) Then we had Lawless selling goddamn Okayama Standards for $40 on sale with wild customization options (granted, long lead time and they have rising prices and the options are dwindling...sigh). I mean, it is cool if prices go up, but why the tall tales? Can't tell us the mill it came from because it is a big secret? I am pretty sure someone in the denim industry can find out where fabric comes from. Jerks buying it probably can't. Part of the reason I buy expensive jeans is for the story. I like stuff with stories. Which is why I like Gustin's stories about the fabric. It draws you in. Lawless and Ciano don't have that. lawless has some ridiculous names like, "13 oz. Kaihara 0313 Gray Men's Jean" and "13 oz. Candiani SLXX Indigo Men's Jeans" and does anyone know what "N-Gine" means? Does that mean something? What? I don't know how to pronounce that.  "yeah, I just ordered a sweet pair of the SLXX's to wear when I am not in my 0313's!" Right now, I am pro-lawless, but I hope they get fancy with their denims and get more info. I want to know where my jeans came from and eventually go to the factory wearing them and have the guys working there not give a crap! USA! USA! USA! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 9:18:35 GMT -6
Oh god now @rex is on the butter train. $179 is a ton of coin and I realized why I liked Gustin in the first place. Cool fabrics and affordable price. And no I am not talking about relatively speaking compared to other companies I am talking about affordable in general. $80-$120 is affordable. $180 is a lot of money unless you are loaded. I think I figured out Gustin's denim. If another company offers it or it's a basic raw selvedge they are competively priced. If no one really offers the fabric they call it rare and generally you don't get a good deal on it and the Gustin crowd sourcing doesn't matter. I think we are more knowledgeable about denim now and the "cool" fabric is no longer cool. When Lawless and Ciano can also access the fabric from Pacific Blue, there is no more "scarity" anymore. Instead of paying $110 for the G's postal Herringbone, I got the same fabric from Lawless with better detail and construction for $40. People came up with many reasons to pay triple the price more for G and I am sure they are probably loaded but sadly, I am not one of them. I just have a small clothing budget and need to be careful about how I spend my money. |
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Post by Canucklehead on Jan 30, 2015 9:22:53 GMT -6
and does anyone know what "N-Gine" means? Does that mean something? What? I don't know how to pronounce that. In my head I pronounce it as "engine", with my Canadian accent. Regarding the context of denim, I have no idea what it refers to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 9:27:57 GMT -6
and does anyone know what "N-Gine" means? Does that mean something? What? I don't know how to pronounce that. In my head I pronounce it as "engine", with my Canadian accent. Regarding the context of denim, I have no idea what it refers to. I been saying "en-gine" with a hard G as in "goose" and the "ine" as in "wine" Engine jeans. JEANS OF THE FUTURE! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 9:32:06 GMT -6
I think we are more knowledgeable about denim now and the "cool" fabric is no longer cool.  those jeans are so cool! Did I mention that they are...ORGANIC? I.SWEAR.TO.GOD...you can eat them. a little pepper, a little butter...low heat...ten minutes each side. living the dream H-bones for $40...Only in America! |
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Post by Canucklehead on Jan 30, 2015 9:32:18 GMT -6
I just figured it had to do with their association with motorcycles or something... It does remind me of Futurama, though...  Or, you know, the original Star Trek movie they were spoofing... |
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Post by ickes on Jan 30, 2015 11:15:31 GMT -6
@rex, I have to tell you man, if you didn't like the Pima Fires I think you will hate these brown organics. I had both the Brown and Charcoal organic hemps and I immediately returned them. When I saw the campaign I thought the same thing as you...oh these look freaking awesome, I have to get these! When they showed up I opened the bag and they were hideous. Honestly the ugliest jeans that Gustin has released imo. The streaky/slubby texture is so freaking intense in person that it gave me a headache to look at them. They just look silly imo. Granted these were the Organic Hemps so maybe they are a bit different but I would wager they aren't.
just my two cents.
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Post by felizuno on Jan 30, 2015 11:39:45 GMT -6
@rex, I have to tell you man, if you didn't like the Pima Fires I think you will hate these brown organics. I had both the Brown and Charcoal organic hemps and I immediately returned them. When I saw the campaign I thought the same thing as you...oh these look freaking awesome, I have to get these! When they showed up I opened the bag and they were hideous. Honestly the ugliest jeans that Gustin has released imo. The streaky/slubby texture is so freaking intense in person that it gave me a headache to look at them. They just look silly imo. Granted these were the Organic Hemps so maybe they are a bit different but I would wager they aren't. just my two cents. I had the same reaction when I opened my brown organic hemps - "Oh man, who ever thought these would pass as pants?! All this vertical streakiness is really showing off how un-fit my thighs are". Then I wore them and I fell in love, and I don't even fully understand why or how. They are easy to match, really visually interesting, and look awesome with denim tops, so perhaps it's the role they play enabling my other favorite pieces. I wore them every day I could for months. If it weren't for Loomies and Zimb 18s these would probably still be my favorite pair, despite the fact that I had the same first impression you did. I'm guessing these are going to be very polarizing for most people, and given the price I can see a lot of people returning them right away. I think if you back them you need to be aware you're getting a statement piece, and if that's not your personality then you're probably signing yourself up for a $180 store credit. |
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