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First time here, I got to ask you how this devalueing works as this is not something Stackry can openly promote. Thanks!

In fairness, I live in the north and pay $23 per shirt or pants from Gustin so its not unreasonable. I was mainly perplexed that it said flatrate wich is probably a box a certian size and I dont think 2-4 items is really costing 50-100 from the post office but i might be wrong. It might also be that the items are sent one at a time in that case i understand it better but that will still cost more in the long run since we overseas persons have to pay the "handling and paperwork of the customs charge" per item, together with the actual VAT. So its almost $50 extra per item. A huge box would be cheaper.

So a $79 pant for me costs:
$79 + $25 + $50 = $154

Wow....now that i see it, its not really cheaper then a pair of nudies raw. However the LD is better from what I can see, and with all the options, but still.

Its unfortunate that the people over seas are having to add all of that because it hurts what Lawless is trying to do with pricing.  We will work on something different but for now if anyone has a idea we are open to them

I also ordered 3 pairs of pants and got the 75$ of shipping... I live in Portugal, how are you guys from Europe, going to deal with this? I read Stackry but i haven't ever tried a forwarding service...

There are only 2 things to do:
1. Write the value to $25 or under on the package. This is not legal, so bad idea.
Writing gift/sample/used or anything of the sort does not help. Neither does $5 value and $100 insurance since its the highest dollar number on the package that they calculate from. I have gotten things for free from friends in the US and they wrote insurance so I actually had to pay for the free items.

2. Deduct the VAT for foreign customers. So if your VAT is 16% then you take 16% off the price, and I have to add my countrys VAT when I get it. My countrys VAT is 25% and that is what I have to pay.
You do not loose any money since you dont have to pay the taxes to your governvent since you didnt include it, it does however take some paperwork, but if you have an accountant you can ask him about it.
I would assume you can add items and do it once a month.

There is a third alternative regarding multiple orders and that is to ship everything in one package, then I dont have to pay the handlers fee for every single item, however the best is to combine this and number 2. Specially since one might like to buy single items aswell.

This doesn't make sense to me. 
Why would the retailer discount the price by the VAT?  This is a tax that you have to pay and that you, as a resident of a foreign country receive tangible benefits for in exchange.  Roman, G, nor anyone else should be responsible for paying your taxes, which is what I think you are suggesting (perhaps not--It's possible i'm misunderstanding you).

I guess I'm just a little confused as to why LD or anyone else should be criticized for pricing on something that is not their fault.  I understand the frustration, but when I order things from the UK, the VAT does in fact get deducted, but I still have to pay customs/duties/etc. on this side. 

That's just the price you pay for person to business overseas transactions . . .

Yes, I am.. maybe I am the first person who got expelled from the Gustin community.... 

Actually I believe Cultizm does the VAT deduction thing but i dont know anything about it so not sure if they are doing that exact thing

I don't know but I checked the site from my phone and PC and everything is working fine except not seeing the community. I have been busy with my work anyway, so not really checking the community much over there. 

It's a little unfair for you to tell me I don't understand something when you didn't explain it very well. 

I'm not trying to be an ass, but as a business over here, you, depending on how your corporation is set up and how you file that business under the tax code, you either have to pay the prevailing business tax rate on the profits, or a member's personal tax rate on profits for an LLC that filed as a partnership/sole proprietorship for tax purposes.

There is no equivalent of a tax per item that he sells, and it is likely that the tax he actually pays at the end of the year on his operating income is, as a percentage of the sales price of the item you purchase, a fraction of what you are asking to be deducted, IMO.

I'm not an accountant, but I do run a business.

if the markup is high enough, then deducting the VAT from the sales price could be a wash for the seller.  the corporate tax rate in the US is 35%, so for example, if the total profit made after all expenses paid is 50% of the item's cost, then the company could afford to forgive the VAT if it were 17.5% or less (.35 * .5), assuming that the corporation does not have to pay taxes on items sold to foreign countries. 

Again, the markup has to be high to do this, though (not unlikely in the clothing biz).  If it were a 10% margin, then they would only be able to rebate 3.5% before they start losing money on the discount.

Make sense?

To all other EU customers, I noticed that it is cheaper in fact to ship each item individually than to box them together as long as shipment is 25$ per item. We have to add customs and VAT once the items reach this side of the pond. But if the amount of customs fee is less than a certain margin, you will not have to pay it (as it is not feasible to collect such a small amount). The same goes for VAT in fact. Eg a pair of jeans is ~40$+25$. This exceeds the margin for VAT but not for customs, so you end up paying only the VAT. If you put two pairs of jeans in the same box, the amount (~80$+50$) exceeds both limits and you end up paying both the customs fee and the VAT. So by putting several items in the same box, you end up paying more per item. Make sense?