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Post by bugula on Nov 6, 2014 9:08:54 GMT -6
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Post by Winterland on Nov 6, 2014 11:11:13 GMT -6
Well, fellas, they finally came! My pair of 17 oz Slub and 18.5 Kuroki! Let me just say up front that Roman and his team are straight artists with denim! The double chain-stitched hem? How cool is that! And the leather patch has a thickness to it that feels substantial. And the triple stitch inseam? So fly! And as much as I like the slub denim, the 18.5 Kuroki is just a beautiful piece of denim. Seriously- the whiteness of the warp shows through so well! I prefer bigger butt pockets than these, but the canvas lining is super heavy nonetheless! I'll echo what's already been said around here: you guys should be pumped to be receiving your garb, because it's just plain, good selvedge denim! The only problem is they don't fit me. I made the mistake of believing the slim straight had accurate sizing to Gustin's slim straight, and so these fit like skinnys. But that's not Lawless' fault, that's totally on me! Again, be pumped! Can you give more detail on the sizing? You are saying the the slim straight are close to Gustin's skinny measurement? What size chart did you order these from? Can you post up the measured dimensions and some pics? What are you going to do with them being they don't fit? This worries me as I don't want skinny jeans. I do like Gustin's slim fit and thought the Lawless slim straight was the closest to that. |
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Post by colerussell on Nov 6, 2014 11:18:03 GMT -6
Well, fellas, they finally came! My pair of 17 oz Slub and 18.5 Kuroki! Let me just say up front that Roman and his team are straight artists with denim! The double chain-stitched hem? How cool is that! And the leather patch has a thickness to it that feels substantial. And the triple stitch inseam? So fly! And as much as I like the slub denim, the 18.5 Kuroki is just a beautiful piece of denim. Seriously- the whiteness of the warp shows through so well! I prefer bigger butt pockets than these, but the canvas lining is super heavy nonetheless! I'll echo what's already been said around here: you guys should be pumped to be receiving your garb, because it's just plain, good selvedge denim! The only problem is they don't fit me. I made the mistake of believing the slim straight had accurate sizing to Gustin's slim straight, and so these fit like skinnys. But that's not Lawless' fault, that's totally on me! Again, be pumped! Can you give more detail on the sizing? You are saying the the slim straight are close to Gustin's skinny measurement? What size chart did you order these from? Can you post up the measured dimensions and some pics? What are you going to do with them being they don't fit? This worries me as I don't want skinny jeans. I do like Gustin's slim fit. Yeah, Winterland. Give me a few hours before the pics, but I can give you measurements! These were ordered about 7 weeks ago, so I assume they were ordered on the old size chart. But yes, they do fit like skinnys as opposed to Gustin's slim fit. My size 29s fit like as follows: cuff: 12'' knees: 14" waist: 28.5" Like I said earlier though, this is totally my fault for not paying attention to the fit guide as much as I should have! |
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Post by Winterland on Nov 6, 2014 11:24:11 GMT -6
Can you give more detail on the sizing? You are saying the the slim straight are close to Gustin's skinny measurement? What size chart did you order these from? Can you post up the measured dimensions and some pics? What are you going to do with them being they don't fit? This worries me as I don't want skinny jeans. I do like Gustin's slim fit. Yeah, Winterland. Give me a few hours before the pics, but I can give you measurements! These were ordered about 7 weeks ago, so I assume they were ordered on the old size chart. But yes, they do fit like skinnys as opposed to Gustin's slim fit. My size 29s fit like as follows: cuff: 12'' knees: 14" waist: 28.5" Like I said earlier though, this is totally my fault for not paying attention to the fit guide as much as I should have! What is the front and rear rise? Yes 6" cuff and 14" knee is very skinny. I would think the waist would work as they should stretch. Maybe roman or at Dirty_Denim can chime in on this as all of those different size charts have my head spinning still I understand these jeans at colerussell has were probably old charts. One question for Lawless. Are the sizing charts on the website now the actual garment dimensions or something else? |
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Post by julian on Nov 6, 2014 11:26:10 GMT -6
This worries me as I don't want skinny jeans. I do like Gustin's slim fit and thought the Lawless slim straight was the closest to that. Yeah, I ordered the Lawless Slim Straight as I thought the measurements were very close to Gustin's Slim cut - they certainly looked that way on the site's Size Chart that I was viewing. I've actually requested both my 33" waist pairs are actually made to a true 33.5" waist size (and hope they DON'T make them smaller to allow for stretching). Thinking about maybe asking for the hems to be made 15.5" rather than the 14.5" listed on the Size Chart. Only thing is, I don't want to start making it all too complicated/confusing. Dirty_Denim, what are your thoughts? Is it OK to request the larger hem openings? |
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Post by jray on Nov 6, 2014 11:36:35 GMT -6
I'm confused - I ordered slim straight in a 34 and they were almost exact to the gustin slim's in 33's. I think the knee down tapers to a smaller cuff opening the lower the size in LD
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Post by colerussell on Nov 6, 2014 11:49:36 GMT -6
Yeah, Winterland. Give me a few hours before the pics, but I can give you measurements! These were ordered about 7 weeks ago, so I assume they were ordered on the old size chart. But yes, they do fit like skinnys as opposed to Gustin's slim fit. My size 29s fit like as follows: cuff: 12'' knees: 14" waist: 28.5" Like I said earlier though, this is totally my fault for not paying attention to the fit guide as much as I should have! What is the front and rear rise? Yes 6" cuff and 14" knee is very skinny. I would think the waist would work as they should stretch. Maybe roman or at Dirty_Denim can chime in on this as all of those different size charts have my head spinning still. I understand these jeans that colerussell has were probably old charts. One question for Lawless. Are the sizing charts on the website now the actual garment dimensions or something else? Front rise is 10" and back is 12.5" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 12:27:54 GMT -6
looking at the KS fit chart for the slim straight, the pairs that colerussell got were within Gustin's .5" tolerance of spec. that fit guide for that cut in that size shows a knee of 13.5" and a cuff of 12.5...so colerussell received jeans that were wider in the knee and smaller in the cuff than spec, perhaps an extreme taper. that said...no idea what fit guide was posted on the site 7 weeks ago. i think there have been a few over that span of time. i actually like the look of the one posted to the site now. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 6, 2014 13:55:04 GMT -6
looking at the KS fit chart for the slim straight, the pairs that colerussell got were within Gustin's .5" tolerance of spec. that fit guide for that cut in that size shows a knee of 13.5" and a cuff of 12.5...so colerussell received jeans that were wider in the knee and smaller in the cuff than spec, perhaps an extreme taper. that said...no idea what fit guide was posted on the site 7 weeks ago. i think there have been a few over that span of time. i actually like the look of the one posted to the site now. Yea me too. U can see where u are at and go from there. We are all going to have to mess with it a bit with some of us being test dummies but I am sure we will work all that out if we are sending anything shite |
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Post by jbcoulier on Nov 6, 2014 18:07:26 GMT -6
colerussell, not to stress you out, but I'm probably not the only one here who would like some pics... sounds like fit pics aren't going to happen, but some rivet, stitch, fly or just straight up fabric porn would give me something to sweat over ... and like I say I ain't the only one.
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Post by jbcoulier on Nov 6, 2014 18:08:34 GMT -6
damn, that 'mood' thing is weird, sorry if that is freaking everyone out. I didn't know what it would look like.  |
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Post by colerussell on Nov 6, 2014 21:16:58 GMT -6
colerussell, not to stress you out, but I'm probably not the only one here who would like some pics... sounds like fit pics aren't going to happen, but some rivet, stitch, fly or just straight up fabric porn would give me something to sweat over ... and like I say I ain't the only one. Yo bro- sorry for keeping you guys out of the pics! It's been a crazy busy afternoon/evening between a wrestling meet (I coach) and Bible study. But I'll definitely get you denim brahs pics tomorrow! |
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Post by stinky on Nov 6, 2014 21:56:03 GMT -6
This worries me as I don't want skinny jeans. I do like Gustin's slim fit and thought the Lawless slim straight was the closest to that. Yeah, I ordered the Lawless Slim Straight as I thought the measurements were very close to Gustin's Slim cut - they certainly looked that way on the site's Size Chart that I was viewing. I've actually requested both my 33" waist pairs are actually made to a true 33.5" waist size (and hope they DON'T make them smaller to allow for stretching). Thinking about maybe asking for the hems to be made 15.5" rather than the 14.5" listed on the Size Chart. FTR, the "through the leg" specs on LD website for slim straight are a bit roomier than G slim "through the leg" specs. Yo, Dirty_Denim . . . what are your thought on this? I'm in the same boat here, as I wear a G 34 slim . . . I ordered a 34 slim straight from you, expecting them to come it at 34"+ waist (and not smaller). Should I size up to a 35? Should I leave it at a 34? Should I have another glass of wine or cork the bottle and finish it tomorrow? Is it okay to eat old cheese if you cut the mold off? |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 6, 2014 22:26:56 GMT -6
You guys have to keep in mind Gustin sizes their jeans larger. 34 is a 34.5 so you cant go off of that. Think of it this way. If u are a sz 34 waist then Gustins jeans will be a half size to big . So to say a gustin 34 is differnt than a Lawless 34 is because the Gustins are vanity sized
Lawless jeans will have a waist that is what ever the waist measurement says it is. a 32 will be a 32 a 33 will be a 33 but NOT 33.5. If u choose a 34 waist and they are to tight but measure a 34 then u are not a 34 but likely a gustin 34 which is 34.5. If U figure out you are 100% a 34 waist but the thigh is .5 to small then change it or up size the whole jean what ever is better
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Post by exophobe on Nov 6, 2014 22:30:07 GMT -6
Yeah, I ordered the Lawless Slim Straight as I thought the measurements were very close to Gustin's Slim cut - they certainly looked that way on the site's Size Chart that I was viewing. I've actually requested both my 33" waist pairs are actually made to a true 33.5" waist size (and hope they DON'T make them smaller to allow for stretching). Thinking about maybe asking for the hems to be made 15.5" rather than the 14.5" listed on the Size Chart. FTR, the "through the leg" specs on LD website for slim straight are a bit roomier than G slim "through the leg" specs. Yo, Dirty_Denim . . . what are your thought on this? I'm in the same boat here, as I wear a G 34 slim . . . I ordered a 34 slim straight from you, expecting them to come it at 34"+ waist (and not smaller). Should I size up to a 35? Should I leave it at a 34? Should I have another glass of wine or cork the bottle and finish it tomorrow? Is it okay to eat old cheese if you cut the mold off? I wear a 33 slim in Gustin, my actual waist seems to measure in at about 35, so I actually made my lawless order 35 slim straight. I figure if that comes in big I can shrink them without much injury. I was afraid a 34 might be too small, and definitely didn't want to risk a 33. The actual waist is highly unlikely to match the "measure them across and double it" method they specifically recommend against on the lawless fit guide. but really, The absolute best way to do it is to measure with a soft measuring tape where they recommend ( have someone else do it if possible) and making your estimates based on those figures. Plus, if you take all those measurements, you can just list them on your order and lawless will make them fit. |
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Post by wisdom on Nov 6, 2014 22:37:22 GMT -6
FTR, the "through the leg" specs on LD website for slim straight are a bit roomier than G slim "through the leg" specs. Yo, Dirty_Denim . . . what are your thought on this? I'm in the same boat here, as I wear a G 34 slim . . . I ordered a 34 slim straight from you, expecting them to come it at 34"+ waist (and not smaller). Should I size up to a 35? Should I leave it at a 34? Should I have another glass of wine or cork the bottle and finish it tomorrow? Is it okay to eat old cheese if you cut the mold off? I wear a 33 slim in Gustin, my actual waist seems to measure in at about 35, so I actually made my lawless order 35 slim straight. I figure if that comes in big I can shrink them without much injury. I was afraid a 34 might be too small, and definitely didn't want to risk a 33. The actual waist is highly unlikely to match the "measure them across and double it" method they specifically recommend against on the lawless fit guide. but really, The absolute best way to do it is to measure with a soft measuring tape where they recommend ( have someone else do it if possible) and making your estimates based on those figures. Plus, if you take all those measurements, you can just list them on your order and lawless will make them fit. You kind'a answered this, but why didn't you just go with a Lawless 34? It's likely to be slightly larger than the Gustin 33.. do the dimensions for the leg, rise, cuff, etc. work for you better with the Lawless 35 dimensions? Are you going to submit personalized dimensions? |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 6, 2014 22:38:41 GMT -6
It looks like the Lawless slims are coming in slim in the legs. For me if a thigh measurment is less that 12.5 it wont work. I usually go for around 12.75-13. The thigh for me is one of the most important measurements evn more than the waist because i know I can stretch that out.
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Post by stinky on Nov 6, 2014 22:43:53 GMT -6
FTR, the "through the leg" specs on LD website for slim straight are a bit roomier than G slim "through the leg" specs. Yo, Dirty_Denim . . . what are your thought on this? I'm in the same boat here, as I wear a G 34 slim . . . I ordered a 34 slim straight from you, expecting them to come it at 34"+ waist (and not smaller). Should I size up to a 35? Should I leave it at a 34? Should I have another glass of wine or cork the bottle and finish it tomorrow? Is it okay to eat old cheese if you cut the mold off? I wear a 33 slim in Gustin, my actual waist seems to measure in at about 35, so I actually made my lawless order 35 slim straight. I figure if that comes in big I can shrink them without much injury. I was afraid a 34 might be too small, and definitely didn't want to risk a 33. The actual waist is highly unlikely to match the "measure them across and double it" method they specifically recommend against on the lawless fit guide. but really, The absolute best way to do it is to measure with a soft measuring tape where they recommend ( have someone else do it if possible) and making your estimates based on those figures. Plus, if you take all those measurements, you can just list them on your order and lawless will make them fit. I just took a look at the fit guide . . . that detail wasn't there before IIRC. I gave roman a 35 as my true waist size when I ordered the promo pair. Looks like I'll have to pester Dirty D and get this changed. Thanks for this. As a side note, I think this whole sizing thing is hilarious considering I wear a 32 BR and GAP. Those guys make me feel SOOOOOO much better about my waist size . . . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 22:44:04 GMT -6
It looks like the Lawless slims are coming in slim in the legs. For me if a thigh measurment is less that 12.5 it wont work. I usually go for around 12.75-13. The thigh for me is one of the most important measurements evn more than the waist because i know I can stretch that out. A bit slim in the leg, the taper making them a bit slimmer through the lower leg than the thigh. |
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Post by stinky on Nov 6, 2014 22:46:03 GMT -6
It looks like the Lawless slims are coming in slim in the legs. For me if a thigh measurment is less that 12.5 it wont work. I usually go for around 12.75-13. The thigh for me is one of the most important measurements evn more than the waist because i know I can stretch that out. Taper slims or slim straights? For me the issue is the calf . . . drives me crazy if they come in too small in the calf. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 22:52:40 GMT -6
It looks like the Lawless slims are coming in slim in the legs. For me if a thigh measurment is less that 12.5 it wont work. I usually go for around 12.75-13. The thigh for me is one of the most important measurements evn more than the waist because i know I can stretch that out. Taper slims or slim straights? For me the issue is the calf . . . drives me crazy if they come in too small in the calf. Ftr my comment was referring to the slim straight |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 6, 2014 23:44:41 GMT -6
You kind'a answered this, but why didn't you just go with a Lawless 34? It's likely to be slightly larger than the Gustin 33.. do the dimensions for the leg, rise, cuff, etc. work for you better with the Lawless 35 dimensions? Are you going to submit personalized dimensions? Had to wait til I was in front of a really computer cause the quotes just het too deep and it's awful to try to manage on a phone screen. My thoughts on this were as follows. Originally, I did select the 34 slim straight, and I think I probably could have gotten away with it (especially since I'm in the process of losing weight), but first, I wanted to make sire that these things will fit. Since I've never bought "true waist", I was a little gun-shy with sizing up one, especially with my actual measurement hitting 35. Second, this is the Tan x Tan, so I'm gonna need to be able to wash these guys, and more often than my darker denim, so I have to account for some shrinking from that. So last night I compared the fit guide on Gustin and Lawless, and rolling in Taylor Stitch for my shirt sizing. I found that a lot of the dimensions are pretty close, and will probably come in to Gustin 34 slim specs -- if not 33 -- post-wash. I left the dimensions largely to the fit guide, but I did request a slightly smaller cuff size which will likely give it a little more taper. I figure I want to make sure I can get into the first pair, then see if I can't get more specific dimensions on future orders. I really love the customization options, but they do make it harder to decide. I'm looking forward to these guys, though I'm half wishing I ordered the Kennedy's over the 5 pocket jean style -- was looking at them again last night and I figured out I really do like those details. I'm really looking forward to any canvas and some more twills. I'm not super into "traditional" denim styles, and already have a couple indigo pairs I've gotta put a lot of work into, so I'm trying to avoid getting so deep into those I'll never be able to get them all broken in. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 6, 2014 23:51:36 GMT -6
As a side note, I think this whole sizing thing is hilarious considering I wear a 32 BR and GAP. Those guys make me feel SOOOOOO much better about my waist size . . . I reckon I'm probably down to a 30 in, say, Wrangler or some ish, especially with how stretchy that washed denim is. Normal 501s feel like I'm wearing sweatpants that fit me poorly in comparison to all this fine Italian and Japanese denim I convinced myself I couldn't live without. Damn silver-fingered fabric description writer at Gustin. Every one of those things, really, spot-on though, I've never been surprised by anything other than the cone blue x black cause it looked nothing like the Italian blue x black. Actually went back and looked at the swatches again after I pulled them out of the bag I was so surprised. But we don't talk about the cone blue x black anymore. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 6, 2014 23:55:28 GMT -6
I also wanted to mention another thing people might not be considering. When you select an inseam length of, say, 32 in Lawless, your leg is going to taper a lot faster than it does on your Gustin with a 34" or 36"+ inseam, since it's hitting that 8" cuff at 32" instead of 36". This will result in a much slimmer fit, so beware if you're expecting a straight Gustin-Lawless fit transition unless you're ordering the same inseam. This would create an impression that they're coming in slim below the knee.
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Nov 6, 2014 23:59:19 GMT -6
I also wanted to mention another thing people might not be considering. When you select an inseam length of, say, 32 in Lawless, your leg is going to taper a lot faster than it does on your Gustin with a 34" or 36"+ inseam, since it's hitting that 8" cuff at 32" instead of 36". This will result in a much slimmer fit, so beware if you're expecting a straight Gustin-Lawless fit transition unless you're ordering the same inseam. This would create an impression that they're coming in slim below the knee. That is an excellent point and could be a very big part of why people are noticing the tight calves more. |
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