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Post by gusjin on Oct 10, 2014 8:06:57 GMT -6
Thanks for that. Just put together a pair... but then noticed that the shipping to the UK is $43. I guess they only want US business at the moment. I really like the idea of their process, but it still seems a little 'hit it and hope' to me as I can't really see half the stuff I'm specifying. Also couldn't find a way to specify a plain leather patch. Bit of a shame, as the 15 oz. Niphon Menpu Brown Weft Slub looks great.Julian, I noticed that US shipping is free above 300$ Could you apply the same variable for international shipping but instead of 'free' it could be 'we'll get a courier quote based on estimated weight and ring you for an additional card payment' (I assume that you based shipping on estimated weights?)
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 8:13:59 GMT -6
We do ship based on weight for international shipping. I could not charge the credit card a second time. Due to security reasons we do not store credit card information. I have a meeting with UPS next week and I'm going to get this worked out ASAP. Thank you for bring it to my attention.
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Post by julian on Oct 10, 2014 8:18:52 GMT -6
We do ship based on weight for international shipping. I could not charge the credit card a second time. Due to security reasons we do not store credit card information. I have a meeting with UPS next week and I'm going to get this worked out ASAP. Thank you for bring it to my attention. Sounds very positive. While I don't want to speak for others, $43 shipping on a $79 pair of jeans doesn't really make sense, especially as there's often customs charges to add on top of that. Get it down to $23 and it's no issue at all. BTW, I really do admire what you're doing with the customisation options, it's precisely what so many people have been crying out for. Once the minor wrinkles are ironed out (no pun intended!) it'll represent a fantastic proposition.
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Post by gusjin on Oct 10, 2014 8:21:28 GMT -6
We do ship based on weight for international shipping. I could not charge the credit card a second time. Due to security reasons we do not store credit card information. I have a meeting with UPS next week and I'm going to get this worked out ASAP. Thank you for bring it to my attention. Sounds very positive. While I don't want to speak for others, $43 shipping on a $79 pair of jeans doesn't really make sense, especially as there's often customs charges to add on top of that. Get it down to $23 and it's no issue at all. BTW, I really do admire what you're doing with the customisation options, it's precisely what so many people have been crying out for. Once the minor wrinkles are ironed out (no pun intended!) it'll represent a fantastic proposition. Agreed I hate to complain but it almost doubles the cost of the product, that's part of the reason I want to order multiple items
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Post by Old26 on Oct 10, 2014 8:50:22 GMT -6
I've had to either pass or get friends to get me items from UK and other Euro locations due to shipping, etc. It's not the fault of the vendors. Best to be nice to someone and get a favor if possible, but shipping overseas sucks.
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 9:13:28 GMT -6
I don't see it as a complaint. I see it as a fact that need to be shared so that we can resolve the issue.
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Post by Winterland on Oct 10, 2014 9:33:41 GMT -6
Ok guys sorry for the radio silence. Just been working on orders. (yes I sew) as for the web site. I could use some input. We have gone through 3 web designers and no one has got it perfect. I'm not a web designer but I can make some great clothing so I stick to what I know. That being said how how can I get this working better? The overall look of the website is fine. The specifics of how to order, functionality and layout just takes time to get right. The details of explaining how to design and order from the site are very important. Some things are confusing such as the cuff issue. Someone besides the web designer needs to go over every page with a fine tooth comb, noting any errors and work with the web designer to update and fix things. If the web designer seems to really care about what he's doing, I wouldn't switch designers anymore. I am sure most everyone here at the forum would be willing to let you know if they find any issues. There needs to be a good way of communicating it to you. Not sure what is best for that. Being able to order custom clothing is well worth it all.
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Oct 10, 2014 9:48:58 GMT -6
Ok guys sorry for the radio silence. Just been working on orders. (yes I sew) as for the web site. I could use some input. We have gone through 3 web designers and no one has got it perfect. I'm not a web designer but I can make some great clothing so I stick to what I know. That being said how how can I get this working better? The overall look of the website is fine. The specifics of how to order, functionality and layout just takes time to get right. The details of explaining how to design and order from the site are very important. Some things are confusing such as the cuff issue. Someone besides the web designer needs to go over every page with a fine tooth comb, noting any errors and work with the web designer to update and fix things. If the web designer seems to really care about what he's doing, I wouldn't switch designers anymore. I am sure most everyone here at the forum would be willing to let you know if they find any issues. There needs to be a good way of communicating it to you. Not sure what is best for that. Being able to order custom clothing is well worth it all. I think more than a couple of us have differing levels of experience with Web design and would be happy to give feedback, but I think what is really needed is someone with UX experience. Shopping, especially online, is all about User Experience. The process of going from homepage to placed order needs to be as easy as possible and enjoyable. Winter is absolutely correct and someone from LD needs to read every page and make sure the content is absolutely correct, but it is also important to have folks like us looking at it to give feedback. You know what you mean by all the options, but we don't (cuff options). A little "?" linking to a photo that graphically depicts the option would be one way to address this issue, but a real UX person might have a better suggestion.
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Post by wisdom on Oct 10, 2014 9:51:08 GMT -6
In many ways, this highlights an aspect of Gustin's approach that makes it so much easier to purchase and, hence, them successful. Yes, I'd love to be able to select all the variables, but at least I know (basically) what I'm getting and only have to click TWICE for them to relieve me of my money. The problem with adding variables and options in the online environment is that it's never just '4 extra clicks', it always involves so much more than that. As it stands, when I order from Gustin I'm 90% sure of what I'll receive. With the Lawless site, I'd be about 50% confident of what I'm going to have arrive. At over $100 for overseas purchases, that's a risk I'm not yet prepared to take. Hey, Roman.. the point made here about the extra clicks is one potential disadvantage. With a customized product, though, this is just an additional challenge that will need a bit of extra creativity to turn from a barrier into an advantage. At In-n-Out Burger, there are only a few items on the menu, so choosing is rarely ever a problem.. for those who know the secret menu options, it not an issue, either, since if you know the options, you probably already know what you want, too. Same with cheesesteaks in Philly.. when you get to the front of the line, you already know what you want (or you better, 'lest you have your ass handed back to you while it is kicked to the back of the line). Customization will be one of Lawless' competitive advantages.. the trick, in my opinion, will be to make it more fun and interesting to tailor the product. Maybe instead of hiring coders, you need to hire some people who have designed games or graphical interfaces before. I'm imagining something like the character customization screens where you can change hairstyles, skin color, etc. Imagine a site where you start with a picture of generic jeans and then select options on the side for fabric, cut, thread color, rivet, pocket style, etc. and see an example of what you've created over on the side.. when you come up with something you like, you can save it somewhere or share it with the community to have it commented on, etc. When ready, I'd just throw a bunch of winners in my shopping cart and get your crew started on cranking 'em out! Don't know if this is realistic, or practical, but shit.. I'd spend hours whipping stuff together and just playing around. -\Visdom
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Post by Ambassador on Oct 10, 2014 10:20:50 GMT -6
Some bads that I see as a customer: Size chart small and blurry What is standart and semi-custom mean - http://lawlessdenim.com/mens-relaxed-straight-leg/ I don't see difference Begin customizing your garment. - this link is useless and not necessary When I search 'stretch' for example, show ups also non-stretch denim lawlessdenim.com/?s=stretch&post_type=productWhat is rise option mean in numbers? For example I choose slim straight in 33, what the difference between low/mid/high-rise? What is it cuff and cuff roll? need instruction for that.
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Post by ickes on Oct 10, 2014 10:24:19 GMT -6
In many ways, this highlights an aspect of Gustin's approach that makes it so much easier to purchase and, hence, them successful. Yes, I'd love to be able to select all the variables, but at least I know (basically) what I'm getting and only have to click TWICE for them to relieve me of my money. The problem with adding variables and options in the online environment is that it's never just '4 extra clicks', it always involves so much more than that. As it stands, when I order from Gustin I'm 90% sure of what I'll receive. With the Lawless site, I'd be about 50% confident of what I'm going to have arrive. At over $100 for overseas purchases, that's a risk I'm not yet prepared to take. I would have agreed with this Julian about 6-12 months ago but now, with no sarcasm intended, I really don't know what I'm going to receive when I order from Gustin.
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 10:31:32 GMT -6
This is all great information! Thank you guy for taking the time. I will see how to best implement this feed back.
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 10:32:49 GMT -6
how do you feel about the options 2 many? what would you loss.
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Post by ickes on Oct 10, 2014 10:36:14 GMT -6
Some bads that I see as a customer: Size chart small and blurry What is standart and semi-custom mean - http://lawlessdenim.com/mens-relaxed-straight-leg/ I don't see difference Begin customizing your garment. - this link is useless and not necessary When I search 'stretch' for example, show ups also non-stretch denim lawlessdenim.com/?s=stretch&post_type=productWhat is rise option mean in numbers? For example I choose slim straight in 33, what the difference between low/mid/high-rise? What is it cuff and cuff roll? need instruction for that. yes, I agree with this, especially the rise part. I would like to see the front and back rise measurements for each rise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:41:32 GMT -6
I think more than a couple of us have differing levels of experience with Web design and would be happy to give feedback, but I think what is really needed is someone with UX experience. Shopping, especially online, is all about User Experience. The process of going from homepage to placed order needs to be as easy as possible and enjoyable. Winter is absolutely correct and someone from LD needs to read every page and make sure the content is absolutely correct, but it is also important to have folks like us looking at it to give feedback. You know what you mean by all the options, but we don't (cuff options). A little "?" linking to a photo that graphically depicts the option would be one way to address this issue, but a real UX person might have a better suggestion. This is accurate. Consideration needs to be given to the overall experience including navigation, blocking off irrelevant options once other options are chosen, option descriptions/pictures...etc. But...I'd strongly recommend working through those changes on a test site, and only promoting them to your live site once you and your team (and perhaps a few willing folks here) are content with the overall experience. It might be confusing to customers, and destructive to your site to be making those changes on your existing live site.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:44:51 GMT -6
how do you feel about the options 2 many? what would you loss. I wouldn't lose any options, I'd just make sure the customer is aware of what each option is. Hover over text descriptions or photos would be helpful (tags, snap/buttons, thread colors...etc are kind of small at the moment). Several people are confused about the inseam/cuff options, so photos and text there might help out. Even if you did something as simple as adding linking to your existing 'details' page for jeans and adding the same sort of page for shirts might be helpful.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 10, 2014 11:24:05 GMT -6
At this point is it best to have someone who knows what they are doing go in & make changes to what has already been done or scrap the whole thing & build a new one. I don't know anything about programs & website design but I remember having some guy set up my network in my company which he did a amateur job at best . The new guy had to start from scratch because of all the useless steps that were added.
I also wondered what happened to the webguymike at the bottom of your store page...I take it he wasn't much of a webguy
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 11:28:12 GMT -6
I have address the international Shipping is $23.00 per item now.
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Post by roman on Oct 10, 2014 11:28:30 GMT -6
he's still around.
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Post by wisdom on Oct 10, 2014 12:46:24 GMT -6
Just playing off the idea of the "Customize your character" type interface for customizing a person's Lawless products. Fabric selection could be like "weapon selection" where information like weight, selvage ID, etc. and a brief description could show up upon selection.. also, textures can be resized and digitally rendered on an appropriate graphical model to the side that represents the proper cut or proportions. Obviously, button choice, trim colors, cuff styles, pocket styles etc. could be displayed on the example model to the side, as well. A quick search online reveals New Balance and Adidas have online shoe customization engines that are pretty fun to play with.. my wife says Stuart Weitzman has a pretty neat one, too, but I haven't seen it myself. Here's Adidas': www.adidas.com/us/customizeThey allow you to save and file candidates, share them via social media, take pictures of 'em, etc. Among your strongest competitive advantages is customizability.. the UI/UX needs to adapt to your strength, in my opinion.
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Post by Griffin on Oct 10, 2014 13:00:14 GMT -6
Hehe yeah, but I would actually think we should focus on getting it easy to order a "basic" item first and not get the owner tangled up in too much t once.
Personally there is some things holding me back from ordering:
1. Jeans: There is a number on the "rise" on the chart. But I can also select 3 different rises. I dont know wich is the one on the chart but Im guessing it is the "standard". I wonder what happens if I choose the short option. I also understand it is impossile to say since this will differ with all sizes. But it is alot?
2. Shirts: Is there a reason behind the split up of style and fabrics? Why not just show: Western shirt - Work shirt - Classic shirt
And then one can choose between all the materials. I would love the brown weft herringbone as a workshirt. And I would also love a chambray from the first clean shirt you had with the clean pockets and the flat bottom. The very nice western shirt from the grey fabric could just be put under the slideshow of the western shirt.
think you have done an amazing job in a short time, and to me it is details away from being really good. Very nice that you also got good pics of the woman-shirt. Is she wearing Lawless stretch pants?
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Oct 10, 2014 13:10:11 GMT -6
I think more than a couple of us have differing levels of experience with Web design and would be happy to give feedback, but I think what is really needed is someone with UX experience. Shopping, especially online, is all about User Experience. The process of going from homepage to placed order needs to be as easy as possible and enjoyable. Winter is absolutely correct and someone from LD needs to read every page and make sure the content is absolutely correct, but it is also important to have folks like us looking at it to give feedback. You know what you mean by all the options, but we don't (cuff options). A little "?" linking to a photo that graphically depicts the option would be one way to address this issue, but a real UX person might have a better suggestion. This is accurate. Consideration needs to be given to the overall experience including navigation, blocking off irrelevant options once other options are chosen, option descriptions/pictures...etc. But...I'd strongly recommend working through those changes on a test site, and only promoting them to your live site once you and your team (and perhaps a few willing folks here) are content with the overall experience. It might be confusing to customers, and destructive to your site to be making those changes on your existing live site. Yep, best thing is to get a test site setup and invite a few people here and others you trust to nail the design and function of the test site. Once it is all nailed down then you push it to the live site. I don't see giant changes just refinements of why the design is now. The suggestion of a way to have the options be reflected in the image so you can see in real time what your item will look like would be awesome, but I also know it would take a lot of time to code and get right and would probably not be cheap. It is an awesome idea for a version 2.0 of the site that might launch in the spring.
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Post by gusjin on Oct 10, 2014 13:10:37 GMT -6
5 oz. San Juan Blue USA Pendleton Mills Wool Shirts: Work Shirt Men's Shirt Sizes: Medium Fit: Regular Fit Buttons: Royal Blue Pocket Liners: 7oz Black Canvas Denim Tag: American Eagle 1 Thread Colors: Black Button Snaps on Cuff: 1 Button
7 oz. Camel Checker Pendleton Mills Wool Shirts: Work Shirt Men's Shirt Sizes: Medium Fit: Regular Fit Buttons: Classic Black Button Pocket Liners: 6oz Beige Canvas Denim Tag: American Eagle 1 Thread Colors: White Button Snaps on Cuff: 1 Button
Niphon Menpu 15oz 15 oz. Niphon Menpu Brown Weft Slub Selvedge Denim Men's Styles: Slim Straight Women's Styles: N/A Waist: 34 Women's Hip Measurement: N/A Rise: Mid-Rise Inseam: 33 Fly: Button Fly Hardware-finished: Copper Pocket Liners: 8oz Army Green Canvas Front Pocket Design: Front Triple Back Pocket Design: Classic Back Pocket Denim Tag: American Eagle 1 Thread Colors: Egyptian Topaz Hem: Double Chainstitch Cuff : N/A Cuff Roll: N/A
Thinking of ordering the above, any crazy choices?
Fairly confident on shirt sizing but slightly less so on the jeans Should I expect inseam shrinkage? For the waist, I've pull the tape measure tight through the belt loops of a mid rise pair
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Post by Griffin on Oct 10, 2014 13:13:05 GMT -6
I would measure like this:
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Oct 10, 2014 13:16:24 GMT -6
Hehe yeah, but I would actually think we should focus on getting it easy to order a "basic" item first and not get the owner tangled up in too much t once. There is a "basic" option but I'm not sure it is clear to a customer that the left side of the page is the "basic" option lawlessdenim.com/mens-slim-straight/
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