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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 25, 2015 8:41:45 GMT -6
What if the nats wont make it....oh noes! People backing the tans over the nats are crazy. And have no style. Haha, just one guy's opinion.
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Post by Old26 on Aug 25, 2015 8:47:39 GMT -6
What if the nats wont make it....oh noes! People backing the tans over the nats are crazy. And have no style. Haha, just one guy's opinion. Nah, the pics don't do them justice. I'm pretty sure those will age very nicely and people will come back saying "I shoulda got a pair of those"... Just an old guy's opinion who has boots of a similar color
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 25, 2015 8:51:37 GMT -6
People backing the tans over the nats are crazy. And have no style. Haha, just one guy's opinion. Nah, the pics don't do them justice. I'm pretty sure those will age very nicely and people will come back saying "I shoulda got a pair of those"... Just an old guy's opinion who has boots of a similar color Haha...OK, OK...clarification: those people backing the tans over the nats purely based on the poor Gustin photos are crazy and have no style, but those people that know for certain that they aren't actually baby-poop yellow, but rather a very nice tan color, and are backing them based on that knowledge are actually super cool and very stylish! Haha.
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Post by Griffin on Aug 25, 2015 9:10:14 GMT -6
Hehe. Nice save infront of the judge!
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Post by Griffin on Aug 25, 2015 10:45:13 GMT -6
I would love to have a tan boot, I just never had a natural so thats why I got it. I got a tan jacket and backpack and wallet and many belts so feel a smidge tanned out but if the nat works out its not impossible ill get the tan in the future.
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Post by dz00 on Aug 25, 2015 16:05:17 GMT -6
If they had a murdered out black I'd be in. Black soles and black stitching. Black,black,black.
None more black.
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 25, 2015 19:09:46 GMT -6
If they had a murdered out black I'd be in. Black soles and black stitching. Black,black,black. None more black. Yes! If they there 100% murdered out black I would have bought them and altered the sole.
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Post by jray on Aug 27, 2015 16:52:00 GMT -6
I must say I'm a bit surprised that none of the boots have funded yet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 21:51:50 GMT -6
I think we've reached "peak workboot".
Wolverines, Aldens, Whites etc etc etc. All great boots. I LOVE my whites but the market is going to get saturated. There will always be workbooks but I think the era of urban folks having 5 pairs of shell boots with slick leather soles isnt going to last much longer. Collectors will always be a thing but I don't think you'll see your average urban dude in NYC or San Francisco sporting workbooks in 3 years.
Gustin has made an amazing success of their model and I commend them, seriously, they've hit a massive home run. I also still like their jeans and in spite of having "premium" brands in my collection, I still wear my G jeans as well and try for those sick fades. It's all denim and it all looks beautiful with some good wear regardless of the brand. The whole footwear side of their business feels very derivative to me though (just one dudes opinion I'm not hating on Gustin at all). They've basically made common projects sneakers and now some sort of wolverine derived boot. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing, it just isn't interesting to me personally.
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Post by david2403 on Aug 28, 2015 23:10:29 GMT -6
I think we've reached "peak workboot". Wolverines, Aldens, Whites etc etc etc. All great boots. I LOVE my whites but the market is going to get saturated. There will always be workbooks but I think the era of urban folks having 5 pairs of shell boots with slick leather soles isnt going to last much longer. Collectors will always be a thing but I don't think you'll see your average urban dude in NYC or San Francisco sporting workbooks in 3 years. Gustin has made an amazing success of their model and I commend them, seriously, they've hit a massive home run. I also still like their jeans and in spite of having "premium" brands in my collection, I still wear my G jeans as well and try for those sick fades. It's all denim and it all looks beautiful with some good wear regardless of the brand. The whole footwear side of their business feels very derivative to me though (just one dudes opinion I'm not hating on Gustin at all). They've basically made common projects sneakers and now some sort of wolverine derived boot. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing, it just isn't interesting to me personally. Excellent analysis and I agree with you 100%. I've only ordered about 5 items from G with 2 of them being belts.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 28, 2015 23:27:07 GMT -6
@stevekas - they're pretty much identical to the Alden plain toe boot. I've made the argument before, but my stance is that I'm glad they made that style instead of yet another red wing derivative with a tall toe profile. Entry price on an exact or similar style is nearly twice if you decide wolverine 1k is close enough. Not accounting for style or seasonal clearance sales, $200 is about the cheapest USA made boot on the market. Red wing only hits that price about once a year if you watch all the sales. So my thought is that they dropped a boot in about the exact right place in a, as you've described, an otherwise flooded market.
As far as your trend monitoring, I agree, the work boot trend isn't likely to be permanent, so the longstanding leaders in the market will stick around and smaller providers will move on to something else. By working to design their own last (their words), they can move on to oxfords or any other gyw style shoe wth relatively little additional development. At least, that's how I understand lasting, so I could easily be wrong. Their model also means they're not going to get stuck with a run of boots after the trend dies. They just wouldn't fund and Gustin would move on.
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Post by Griffin on Aug 29, 2015 2:32:35 GMT -6
None seems to fund so thats that.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 29, 2015 7:57:35 GMT -6
None seems to fund so thats that. At 97, 95, and 94 percent, I assure you they're funding.
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Post by bentin on Aug 29, 2015 8:12:55 GMT -6
None seems to fund so thats that. At 97, 95, and 94 percent, I assure you they're funding. Gustin certainly controls the optics. Say the initial goal was 100 pairs of each. There's high probability that it's been revised to say 80, 60 and 30. The beauty of opaque sales targets. Nothing wrong with it, but these were always going to fund, no matter what the internal targets were initially.
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Post by Old26 on Aug 29, 2015 8:17:43 GMT -6
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Post by Old26 on Aug 29, 2015 8:22:50 GMT -6
At 97, 95, and 94 percent, I assure you they're funding. Gustin certainly controls the optics. Say the initial goal was 100 pairs of each. There's high probability that it's been revised to say 80, 60 and 30. The beauty of opaque sales targets. Nothing wrong with it, but these were always going to fund, no matter what the internal targets were initially. I must admit I'm surprised they seemed to sell rather slowly. At the price point, they appear a good deal. And there's so many Gustin fanboys out there (just saying, was one once) that I figured they fly. And the look is pretty much in across a broad spectrum of guys these days. The % thing is totally bogus, but they're never going to change that. What I'd do at some point unless I hear that they suck is wait until they "stock" them and get a pair without the wait. I'm not waiting on a pair of rather generic boots at this stage in life...
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Post by Griffin on Aug 29, 2015 8:52:02 GMT -6
Nice tone on those boots.
I think the campaign are alot more then hundred. I know its more since it didnt move a single percent from my backing, and btw the tshirts didnt either. Im guessing the campaigns are way bigger then we think. Even if they are only 200 each (and thats the minimum it can be without moving after one backing, or sure they could be 150 Im guessing not) and the browns are probably more, thats nearing a thousand boots in one swoop. In no expert, but that seems like a pretty huge case? Add all the rest and its alot of money and a big business here. 200k in one week for 1 design is good with that few employees and without any face to face customer time (deal with customers on your term using tools you have set up) or a real front other then an Office.
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Post by devastitis on Aug 29, 2015 9:00:00 GMT -6
I'm pretty certain that they messed with the numbers, but the opposite of what bentin was suggesting. It was funding slower than they expected, so they decided to add more to maximize the number produced from this first run, and have them all finish funding at about the same time. I don't think it's just coincidence that the natty and tan boots caught up with the brown.
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Post by mkeview on Aug 29, 2015 9:08:42 GMT -6
I'm glad they will fund. I'm in on the Naturals.
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Post by bentin on Aug 29, 2015 9:35:01 GMT -6
Oh, i think they game it that way too. Once they hit critical mass, they add more to the totals to keep them from showing 100%. Give Gustin credit for being active. Flint & Tinder frequently has campaigns exceed 100% only to get tweaked back to 60% a day later.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 30, 2015 9:15:18 GMT -6
And the Tan fully funds first...
Ahem..."fully" funds "first".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 11:29:56 GMT -6
I will say I'm looking forward to seeing these when those who backed them post up pics. Might end up being a pretty screaming deal....
As for the numbers and percentages, the entire thing could be non linear and not based on a constant numerical relationship (oh god I sound like an engineer :rollseyes:), meaning an act of funding might not actually be connected in any way that you can discern to the percentage on your screen. It could be set up (easily) to take into account funding rates, time before campaign ending, different possible total sales goals or a million other things.
I'm not saying Gustin is dishonest, just don't assume the percentage backed is linear or even a constant relationship. They are free to build that model in whatever way they prefer.
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Post by Griffin on Aug 30, 2015 12:15:49 GMT -6
This could be true and would also be very smart and indeed looks right when the boots are at 99 just hours before closing. Would make sense here with no limited supply they just haul in as much as they can over the timeperiod.
Other fabrics is indeed connected, alot of fabrics have funded fully before time with the silks being the fastest.
So maybe limited fabric is indeed limited and accesories and non limited stuff like boots, sneakers, tshirts? just runs through the days and funds at the end.
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Post by mkeview on Aug 30, 2015 13:02:15 GMT -6
Naturals funded. I got the all white sneakers coming in November and boots coming in December. I'm pretty confident in the quality and price but a little nervous on sizing.
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Post by Griffin on Aug 30, 2015 13:11:40 GMT -6
Yeah. Hopefully we can all switch with eachother to make it right! Im hoping to also score some siennas from some sucker who got too small muahaha!
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