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Post by whiskeyriver on Nov 1, 2015 17:08:00 GMT -6
would recommend steering clear of oldblue... I wouldn't. I love my Old Blues, both the duck work pants and the 19 oz. Indonesian Denim, and they have always been extremely responsive to my emails. Basically they exact opposite experience. |
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Post by bugula on Nov 1, 2015 17:12:02 GMT -6
but how long ago was that?
it seems there's been a spike in popularity and they can't handle the influx.
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Post by jray on Nov 15, 2015 8:55:26 GMT -6
bugula - did they ever get back to you and take back the defected pair?
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Post by bugula on Nov 15, 2015 9:08:26 GMT -6
bugula - did they ever get back to you and take back the defected pair? yeah, after about a week and then some back and forth, i need to send them back. i'm honestly not a fan of the color of them so i'm tempted to just cut my losses and walk. |
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Post by jray on Nov 15, 2015 9:27:03 GMT -6
bugula - hopefully they're refundable. Is the color too light?
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Post by bugula on Nov 15, 2015 10:47:13 GMT -6
they're going to repair them...the color is just very blue. much more royal than navy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 6:43:48 GMT -6
Wingman Denim out of Indonesia starting on [maybe] my pair of black x black  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 19:33:23 GMT -6
Wingman Custom black x black collect mills denim   |
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Post by bruns on Jul 7, 2016 12:03:39 GMT -6
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Post by bruns on Sept 21, 2016 23:14:55 GMT -6
Finally pulled the trigger on a pair of MTO 22oz Unsanforized Marchers from Sage! Came to just over $200 delivered, so not dirt cheap by any means; but from what I've read they should be fantastic.
Will post a review here/reddit if anyone is interested! Should be here by the beginning of November.
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Post by bigblack on Sept 27, 2016 22:31:25 GMT -6
Finally pulled the trigger on a pair of MTO 22oz Unsanforized Marchers from Sage! Came to just over $200 delivered, so not dirt cheap by any means; but from what I've read they should be fantastic. Will post a review here/reddit if anyone is interested! Should be here by the beginning of November. I ordered their new Ironberg a couple weeks ago. I should have them soon |
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Post by alphatectz on Dec 3, 2016 21:11:30 GMT -6
Has anyone had any experience with Indonesian denim? I've been on the lookout for something a bit different and stumbled across a few brands that caught my eye; though Old Blue Co, in particular looked very interesting. I love it when brands are so meticulous with the small details with regards to materials and what not, and the pricing is at the very least competitive; just slightly worried about the quality of the construction. A few websites if any one is bothered: www.oldblue.co/shop.htmlwww.sage.gs/product-category/bottoms/folta.co/id/Any thoughts? I've been following a few brands on instagram. The quality looks great and some do offer shipping to the states. I'm just not 100% sure if I would even try to purchase a pair. Only reason why I'm hesitant is what if the jeans don't fit. How is the return policy and how much will is cost me to return them. |
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Post by migs on Dec 23, 2016 19:30:49 GMT -6
Anyone have any experience with Elhaus? Some of their stuff looks really cool.
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Post by drewcandraw on Dec 24, 2016 11:26:33 GMT -6
I been following carnivore soul on IG
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Post by I was REX on Nov 17, 2017 18:37:08 GMT -6
I have lurked on Massdrop for a while now (mostly at watches) but never buy anything...until my e-mail said to check these out www.sage.gs/shop/bottoms/ranger-iv-19oz-unsanforized-deep-indigo/they are 19oz loomstate. I wanted somewhere between two sizes, so I went with the lower one and am hoping for the best. If they don't fit, I am sure I can find them a home and take the $85 hit. If they can't find a home with people I know (and I know nobody that cares about denim or would probably want 19oz loomstates in Okinawa), then I might "sell" them here for the cost of shipping...but that is all to be determined when I try them on. I got a pair of the Gustin loomstates and some slubby Oni 277XX about the same time last year and that kind of look and texture is how I want to live my life. Hopefully these will be good times and not sad times. My only complaint about the loomstates is that the jeans shrunk all over and then stretched out beautifully...except below the knee since that has no movement. The result is a taper to the jeans below the knee. Seriously, after soak and wear, they look like a perfect taper on the jeans that most denim jerks strive for...and I hate that. Make me feel top heavy, but we are all different. The jeans fit well, look nice and have a tactile feel that is the bee's knees, the mutt's nuts, the cat's pyjamas. The whole massdrop thing is new to me, so hopefully that doesn't turn out to be a ridiculous time (I might disconnect it because I can see it being an impulse by kinda deal that I don't need in my future). Pictures and whatnot will be posted when they are received. |
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Post by bentin on Nov 17, 2017 19:35:08 GMT -6
Sage's 34 inseam kills them for me, since nearly all of my unsanforized have had 2" of inseam shrink.
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Post by I was REX on Nov 17, 2017 20:04:35 GMT -6
Sage's 34 inseam kills them for me, since nearly all of my unsanforized have had 2" of inseam shrink. I see no reason for a company that wants to get into the international market to limit their lengths in such a manner. Maybe they consider 90% of their customers would fit that range and losing 10% of customers while saving 10% of the inseam material is a calculated risk for them. But that is neither here nor there. The massdrop even says a harsher 33.5 inseam. Depending on shrinkage (I WAS IN THE POOL!), it might not work out. I am looking at this as an $85 roll of the dice. I used to drop up to $300 in the arcades here on a bad weekend...the amount I am willing to drop on a clothing gamble these days makes a younger version of me sick. As long as they measure up as advertised, I accept the responsibility if it ends up a failure. But it is fun to dream and imagine a perfect length after soak. Actually, I buy my slacks a little too long because I can't stand that look of the hem falling just above the shoe. It also creeps me out when dudes sit down and the hem comes halfway up their calf or when they walk and I see a few inches of sock. That lesson was learned for jeans after I got the "perfect" length so there was no stacks on my Jade Gustins...now, when I walk, it feels like my socks are showing and I feel great shame. Mostly my left leg. I am convinced that my left leg is slightly longer. I would hem based on right leg and the left lands a little higher every time. Eventually (it took me way too many times to figure this one out), I started hemming based on my left leg. In conclusion, these look like dark and heavy denims that I can take on my ocean soak adventure one day and see how that works out...if they fit. If not, I will figure it out. |
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Post by bigblack on Nov 18, 2017 16:11:09 GMT -6
Sage's 34 inseam kills them for me, since nearly all of my unsanforized have had 2" of inseam shrink. You can always do MTO and get longer inseams. Also their market is not toward taller westerns but their own smaller bodied community. My ironbergs were MTO and I have no problem with them |
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Post by ap on Jan 9, 2018 20:08:17 GMT -6
I got the sage rangers 19oz unsanforized off of massdrop. They came in an inch under spec on the waist but I ordered large knowing I could hot soak and shrink if needed. Just a cold soak, let them 80 percent dry and then wore them to crease / stretch and dry. Very dark, hairy, stiff, tight denim. Very nice 19oz. Not near oni for character but leaps above gustin for quality and should fade nicely. Compared to 16 oz cone this 19oz sage unsanforized way heavier and tons more character Massdrop shipping is cheaper than direct from sage and I would recommend anyone to keep an eye out for damn good denim under $100
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Post by I was REX on Jan 10, 2018 7:33:25 GMT -6
I got the sage rangers 19oz unsanforized off of massdrop. They came in an inch under spec on the waist but I ordered large knowing I could hot soak and shrink if needed. Just a cold soak, let them 80 percent dry and then wore them to crease / stretch and dry. Very dark, hairy, stiff, tight denim. Very nice 19oz. Not near oni for character but leaps above gustin for quality and should fade nicely. Compared to 16 oz cone this 19oz sage unsanforized way heavier and tons more character Massdrop shipping is cheaper than direct from sage and I would recommend anyone to keep an eye out for damn good denim under $100 Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I got on that drop. Because they ship FedEx, they eventually make it to USPS who then automatically make it a low priority mailing which means it goes on a boat to get to me. I think it got on the boat either 30 December or 2 January based on the tracking. I thought they looked a little plain in the photos, but hoped that 19oz plus loomstate would make them similar to oni denim. BUT I will say that my gustin loomstates have a much rougher and more wild feel than my oni 277xx. Either way, I shall wait semi-patiently for jawns to arrive on the boat...maybe end of the month. (sad face). I need to quit buying jeans. It has been over a year since my last pair, but I have enough. This is madness, brahs! MADNESS! I can still remember when I had one pair of jeans. It was summer in colorado and I spent a lot of time on construction sites. I hadn't washed those jeans for months and went to put them on before work and they smelled like Mardi Gras. Not like "party" but like filthy streets of New Orleans Mardi Gras. I had no other jeans so I febreezed them and went to work. I also had one pair of shoes and one pair of workboots. How times have changed. |
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Post by ap on Jan 10, 2018 17:02:22 GMT -6
The 33” inseam shrunk down to 31.5 with an ice cold soak and they shrank 2” in the waist. The waist I predicted but a 31.5 inseam length is pretty short for some people so watch that if you are considering sage denim
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Post by I was REX on Feb 2, 2018 3:57:11 GMT -6
Got my sage denims in the mail (ranger IV, 19oz loomstate). The spec was 37.5" waist and came in at 36"...which is about where I wanted to be after soak.  Luckily for me, I am at the higher end of my usual "fat" and "not quite as fat" cycles. So they should be ok if I quit eating so many chicken wings. Also, the inseam shrunk just a wee bit too much. I will see how they wear in over time. Right now, if I wear boots, it is no big deal, but with shoes, they might feel too high when I walk and make me feel silly...like Michael Jackson with his white socks. I stretched them out wearing them around then soaked them hoping for minimal shrinkage, but they shrunk past original. Bummer. They are really good for the price (hidden rivets, veg tan thick patch, all the stuffs), but a bit slimmer fit than what I like with what feels like a lower rise to me. The "loomstate" also doesn't not have that rough texture like Oni or anything. It is just solid denim. The back patch stitching already coming undone at the bottom on day two but that might be unusual. I remember my gustin loomstates came in way under spec, but didn't shrink much in the waist after that, they only stretched out a lot, but this is a much tighter weave. I also had this theory that the gustin loomstates shrunk after production due to moisture in the air. It is the only way I can rationalize a company being somewhat within a range on their entire line and then being WAY under on all of a certain denim. Really, if you are up for adventure and won't miss the $90 or so, then go for it. If I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't get them...maybe just pay a few extra bucks and get some heavies from Bravestar. I forgot the whole mission here was not jeans, but to buy american jeans...or Japan. I like them and they pay their workers a living wage. But the wage in Indonesia is also probably a "living wage" but different. I don't know. Sometimes I am torn between locally and globally. I still prefer to support my people before the rest. I forgot how miserable it was to break in heavy denim. This is only 19oz...I will probably scrap my plans for anything higher in an ironheart. I really do want to get a pair of something from Ironheart while in Japan so I can see if they live up to the hype and because I am fascinated with that company and how the world distributor just shows up here sometimes. But I have too many jeans. This is ridiculous.   |
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Post by bigblack on Feb 5, 2018 19:28:22 GMT -6
Got my sage denims in the mail (ranger IV, 19oz loomstate). The spec was 37.5" waist and came in at 36"...which is about where I wanted to be after soak. Luckily for me, I am at the higher end of my usual "fat" and "not quite as fat" cycles. So they should be ok if I quit eating so many chicken wings. Also, the inseam shrunk just a wee bit too much. I will see how they wear in over time. Right now, if I wear boots, it is no big deal, but with shoes, they might feel too high when I walk and make me feel silly...like Michael Jackson with his white socks. I stretched them out wearing them around then soaked them hoping for minimal shrinkage, but they shrunk past original. Bummer. They are really good for the price (hidden rivets, veg tan thick patch, all the stuffs), but a bit slimmer fit than what I like with what feels like a lower rise to me. The "loomstate" also doesn't not have that rough texture like Oni or anything. It is just solid denim. The back patch stitching already coming undone at the bottom on day two but that might be unusual. I remember my gustin loomstates came in way under spec, but didn't shrink much in the waist after that, they only stretched out a lot, but this is a much tighter weave. I also had this theory that the gustin loomstates shrunk after production due to moisture in the air. It is the only way I can rationalize a company being somewhat within a range on their entire line and then being WAY under on all of a certain denim. Really, if you are up for adventure and won't miss the $90 or so, then go for it. If I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't get them...maybe just pay a few extra bucks and get some heavies from Bravestar. I forgot the whole mission here was not jeans, but to buy american jeans...or Japan. I like them and they pay their workers a living wage. But the wage in Indonesia is also probably a "living wage" but different. I don't know. Sometimes I am torn between locally and globally. I still prefer to support my people before the rest. I forgot how miserable it was to break in heavy denim. This is only 19oz...I will probably scrap my plans for anything higher in an ironheart. I really do want to get a pair of something from Ironheart while in Japan so I can see if they live up to the hype and because I am fascinated with that company and how the world distributor just shows up here sometimes. But I have too many jeans. This is ridiculous. How did they turn out? |
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Post by I was REX on Feb 6, 2018 3:47:59 GMT -6
Sewed up under spec...still working on stretching them back out. Thought I was making good progress after a few days, then switched back to a pair of broken in Gustins and realized that I am far away from where I need to be. For the price, they are amazing (for people that don't mind supporting Indonesia over Japan or U.S.A.), but if they don't sew up to spec, then it is not worth the time. The reviews on MD showed that under spec is common (based on few reviews and we know that people typically are more likely to post a review if it is negative). As far as the fit, they are a little too slim fitting for me, but that seems to be the preferred style for most selvedge dudes. For $87 on Massdrop, it was worth a gamble on 19 ounce loomstates. The only quality issue I notes is that the patch was not secured properly and is already coming off. I can fix that one of these days. |
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