General Discussion

I've actually got a spreadsheet with Denimio, OD, and BiG's fit measurements both Raw and OW. I'll add Blue Owl to it now, hahaha.


i think my biggest concern with the waists is do they stretch back out to the raw measurement, or more than the raw measurement?

That price though.

I admit that I want a jean jacket about as much as an STD, but still.

not sure I follow. Going by BOW's fit chart for unsanforized denim I always assume at least 1" of shrink in the waist. So, if I'm a 34" waist i'd order jeans with a 35" waist, hot soak them and shrink them down to a 34" waist. I also assume that slubby denim will stretch out a little no matter what. My Strike Gold 1109's are slubby like PBJ denim and the waist has stretched a little, but then again, they don't get much wear so could stretch out more.

thanks guys. most of the sizing and fit threads on r/rawdenim seem to indicate that PBJ stretch out in the waist a lot more than other brands. Most recommend sizing for the the thighs and not worrying so much about the waist because of the generous amount of stretch.

good point. I'm going to roll with the 34 from Okayama Denim.

Don't forget there's a new, less wonky, cut coming. More rise, bigger thighs, still tapered from the knee down.

BOW has the cobalts in for you guys with pencil legs

 I have no doubt, the deep indigo denim is planned for this cut. But, Denimio, OD, BiG, and BOW all had recent restocks of the XX-012. All of them have quite a bit of that stock left, as well. I imagine, the remaining stock, and new denim will be allowed to run their course before the deep indigo version of this cut is released. The past couple of years, they have been releasing the XX-012 in late fall. I'd bet on a November, or December release.

 I'll be watching for the purple face, in this cut. I certainly won't need the deep indigo, since I just purchased a second pair of 1133. Interestingly, PBJ has all but wiped the existence of the deep indigo 1133 from it's .jp website, and BiG has the only limited remaining stock. Between the similarity of the cut to the new one, and the limited appeal of the painter pant design, it's probably no longer relevant. But, if BiG drops the sale price again, I will grab a third pair....

That may just be you. The thigh and rise numbers both scare me a little. I wish each was about an inch less. Also a little nervous about the short inseam. If that shrinks two inches like other unsanforized, I don't have any length left to give. I think I may just get a pair of xx12's tapered.