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Post by Griffin on Jan 11, 2015 3:00:59 GMT -6
Lots of nice materials now. I got 3 orders in waiting and dunno if I want to order more before I know if the LD shirt-style is my thing. (does it fit my wierd body - who knows!)
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Post by Griffin on Jan 11, 2015 3:02:44 GMT -6
But huuge aplause for the new pics man!!!!!!!!!
*standing ovations, whistles and stuff*
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Jan 11, 2015 8:02:40 GMT -6
Just a PSA. I hope everyone had noted that all of the Lawless jeans have had $79 ($98) for the entire life of the new site. It looks like they decided to end the sale today and the jeans are now $98 as we knew they eventually would be. Not sure about that. It still says $79 jeans in the description at the top but jumps to $98 at the bottom. Then it also still has the custom option at $98. "Our $79 denim jeans allow you to select your your fit, waist, inseam, hardware, thread color, leather tag and hem length." so something is an error...they will fix it and we shall have to wait and seeeeeeee. When I visit www.ra-denim.com/mens-jeans/ all the prices are $98 and if I visit a swatch page like www.ra-denim.com/11-oz-cone-mills-indigo-over-indigo-mens-jeans/ the price above the Product Description says $98. So I would imagine that they didn't get to the text on the jeans page last night.
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Post by jamesr on Jan 11, 2015 9:07:14 GMT -6
Out of curiousity, @sal the new 15oz Japan SD6500 denim says "Mill: Unknown". Can you shine some light on that? How can the mill be unknown?
Either way, if my Lawless jeans fit when they arrive, I'll grab that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 9:25:43 GMT -6
Yeah, sounds like you are right about the pricing...it is ok, though. Still a competitive price and they have the $69 option still with a decent variety. I also thought the custom size was per jean but it is a one time fee of $98. That is ineresting.
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Post by quick on Jan 11, 2015 10:50:43 GMT -6
a fabric that looks just like the okayama standard and this the 15oz unknown from LD looks just like the 15oz kuroki from CF kickstarter.
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Post by oatwilly on Jan 12, 2015 21:45:28 GMT -6
Sal, can you describe the Japan Dova? Is it a lighter indigo blue with white weft? Standard light blue jean look, or something different?
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 12, 2015 22:41:55 GMT -6
Really liking that Candiani N Gine Lead. I have a pair of lucky jeans that are a really light gray and have been looking for something like that. How much lighter is it than the Kaihara gray? I honestly believe the G's Grey Silk fabric is poorly dyed and my Grey Silk looks like crap after couple machine washes/hang dry. I washed all my jeans (except the bxb) in my washing machine and none of the jeans have serious washing ceases like that. Anyway, I need a mid grey light weight jeans for the warm weather and I think this may fit the bill. Do any of your other jeans have silk in them? Machine washing silk is a very bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 23:48:29 GMT -6
I honestly believe the G's Grey Silk fabric is poorly dyed and my Grey Silk looks like crap after couple machine washes/hang dry. I washed all my jeans (except the bxb) in my washing machine and none of the jeans have serious washing ceases like that. Anyway, I need a mid grey light weight jeans for the warm weather and I think this may fit the bill. Do any of your other jeans have silk in them? Machine washing silk is a very bad idea. Silk was used all the time in Chinese clothings especially for my mom/grandma generation. My mom is staying with me this month and she put couple of her 100% silk shirts in my washing machine in cold and hang dry. The fabric may be a bit harder after the wash but it will loosen up after couple wears. On the other hand, they do not lose color like my Grey Silk.
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 13, 2015 6:48:00 GMT -6
Do any of your other jeans have silk in them? Machine washing silk is a very bad idea. Silk was used all the time in Chinese clothings especially for my mom/grandma generation. My mom is staying with me this month and she put couple of her 100% silk shirts in my washing machine in cold and hang dry. The fabric may be a bit harder after the wash but it will loosen up after couple wears. On the other hand, they do not lose color like my Grey Silk. That's cool. What does this have to do with LD's Candiani Lead again?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 6:49:40 GMT -6
One would say MiddleAge's report answers your question
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Post by exophobe on Jan 13, 2015 7:25:28 GMT -6
Silk was used all the time in Chinese clothings especially for my mom/grandma generation. My mom is staying with me this month and she put couple of her 100% silk shirts in my washing machine in cold and hang dry. The fabric may be a bit harder after the wash but it will loosen up after couple wears. On the other hand, they do not lose color like my Grey Silk. Though I'm wondering if someone with either grey or blue silk could chime in on this, as mentioned last time this was brought up, I would imagine the cotton/silk blend could end up with the fabric shrinking at different rates, thusly requiring more delicate care (yes, even though they're jeans). In addition to that, I have also found that grey is extremely susceptible to washer fades based on the experience I had with another non-Gustin pair, where a high spin speed guaranteed washer fades. Finally, your washer doesn't seem to have the best record with raw fabrics given the extensive berating of Gustin's fabrics post-@wils-wash.
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Post by Tobesjones on Jan 13, 2015 8:37:16 GMT -6
Silk was used all the time in Chinese clothings especially for my mom/grandma generation. My mom is staying with me this month and she put couple of her 100% silk shirts in my washing machine in cold and hang dry. The fabric may be a bit harder after the wash but it will loosen up after couple wears. On the other hand, they do not lose color like my Grey Silk. Though I'm wondering if someone with either grey or blue silk could chime in on this, as mentioned last time this was brought up, I would imagine the cotton/silk blend could end up with the fabric shrinking at different rates, thusly requiring more delicate care (yes, even though they're jeans). In addition to that, I have also found that grey is extremely susceptible to washer fades based on the experience I had with another non-Gustin pair, where a high spin speed guaranteed washer fades. Finally, your washer doesn't seem to have the best record with raw fabrics given the extensive berating of Gustin's fabrics post-@wils-wash. I will chime in. I have the GSilks 2 and I have only given them a soak and a spin dry in the dryer trying to shrink. I think these actually came in a bit larger so I tried to shrink a bit (FYI I also ordered the regular Grey Silks and my back patch came in upside down). Needless to say I had minimal shrink however no washer fades or anything like that. These were my second pair of Gs and I they have a substantial amount of wear with minimal fading. I don't know how I will treat them in the future however I am thinking a hot hot wash with hang dry is the way to go. Would be interested to hear in how others have treated. Unlike others I have heard, I still really like them. They, along with the Hemp blend, are the most comfortable pair of "denim" I have ever put on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 8:40:49 GMT -6
Silk was used all the time in Chinese clothings especially for my mom/grandma generation. My mom is staying with me this month and she put couple of her 100% silk shirts in my washing machine in cold and hang dry. The fabric may be a bit harder after the wash but it will loosen up after couple wears. On the other hand, they do not lose color like my Grey Silk. That's cool. What does this have to do with LD's Candiani Lead again? I was considering to purchase the LD's Candiani Lead to replaced my Grey Silk as my warmer weather Grey jeans. I need to take some picture of the Grey Silk to show everyone what I am talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 10:03:59 GMT -6
I ordered the Candiani lead yesterday. If yinz guys don't pull the trigger by then, I will do a review when they arrive...whenever that may be. It is all part of my "nothing over 13oz" initiative. Trying to keep it 12 or under, but that color, brahs...I want something light in colour and I am very curious how this is going to turn out. After I got the italian bluexblack gustins, I am weary of similar warp/weft because they start to make one colour and it isn't very "jean-y" ya know? also, one of my coworkers is ordering 2 liters of kakishibu from Japan Amazon. She said they usually deliver in a few days. 2 liters of stuffI can't read, but I am pretty sure that is the stuff using various online translators. Eh...about $30...not bad for adventure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 10:06:28 GMT -6
I ordered the Candiani lead yesterday. If yinz guys don't pull the trigger by then, I will do a review when they arrive...whenever that may be. It is all part of my "nothing over 13oz" initiative. Trying to keep it 12 or under, but that color, brahs...I want something light in colour and I am very curious how this is going to turn out. After I got the italian bluexblack gustins, I am weary of similar warp/weft because they start to make one colour and it isn't very "jean-y" ya know? also, one of my coworkers is ordering 2 liters of kakishibu from Japan Amazon. She said they usually deliver in a few days. 2 liters of stuffI am probably going to do the same after I know for sure what my size with LD is.
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2015 10:27:43 GMT -6
I had a first glimpse (try on) of the 12 oz. organics from the KS yesterday. I really like the feel of these. Not too soft, a little crisp (perhaps from being pressed during production). My initial KS length was a little long, so after trying them on, Sal is going to have them shortened a little (thank you). I really like the look - a deeper indigo, but not so much that they'd appear to turn everything else blue. I think they'll break in quite nicely when I pick them up later this week. I'll post up some pics once I have them. Every detail from the original KS build was in tact - black/copper buttons, Egyptian topaz threading, single chainstitch, navy-striped pocket liners. I appreciate that those details weren't overlooked. It's very easy to have let those fall through the cracks in the interest of production, but the LD team has impressed.
I know it's not an easy solution for everyone (especially those in the community who are outside the US) to get measured up in person, but just follow the videos for sizing or have a tailor measure you up (per the video), you can't go wrong (unless you get fat during the production time).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 10:40:15 GMT -6
Maaaaaaaaan, Roman told me I couldn't choose my pocket liners for the kickstarters when I asked prior to my final confirmation.
"The pocket liner is not a option for the kickstarter. Sorry Friend, It slow us down to make those changes now. I don't want to open the flood gates and have everyone wanting to make this change. We are working on a tight deadline to ship ASAP."
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2015 10:45:55 GMT -6
Maaaaaaaaan, Roman told me I couldn't choose my pocket liners for the kickstarters when I asked prior to my final confirmation. "The pocket liner is not a option for the kickstarter. Sorry Friend, It slow us down to make those changes now. I don't want to open the flood gates and have everyone wanting to make this change. We are working on a tight deadline to ship ASAP." Allow me to elaborate on that - I didn't pick them during the KS order confirmation. But, when I ordered a separate pair (from a promo via Roman), I set up my account with Laura and the team and essentially my default preference is the navy striped. So, pretty much all of my LD denim will have navy stripes.
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Post by Griffin on Jan 13, 2015 14:14:38 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim Dude. I need to know something. The new pics showes the Kaihara Indigo over indigo. www.ra-denim.com/10-5-oz-kaihara-mills-indigo-over-indigo-mens-shirt/ In this pic it looks black. And it looks a whole lot like the IxI I got frum gustin only lighter (the id is the exact same). I kinda hate this fabric because mine never got indigo, it got grey. On 28. Novermber I ordered a montana with "Kaihara 10.5oz Indigo over indigo" but at the time the photos looked very very blue. (Order #1220) Is it the same fabric and its actually more black? Or are these 2 different fabrics? If they are different, how do you tell them apart? I think there were another 10.5 kaihara aswell at some time. Could you clear this up a little.
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2015 14:40:26 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim Dude. I need to know something. The new pics showes the Kaihara Indigo over indigo. www.ra-denim.com/10-5-oz-kaihara-mills-indigo-over-indigo-mens-shirt/ In this pic it looks black. And it looks a whole lot like the IxI I got frum gustin only lighter (the id is the exact same). I kinda hate this fabric because mine never got indigo, it got grey. On 28. Novermber I ordered a montana with "Kaihara 10.5oz Indigo over indigo" but at the time the photos looked very very blue. (Order #1220) Is it the same fabric and its actually more black? Or are these 2 different fabrics? If they are different, how do you tell them apart? I think there were another 10.5 kaihara aswell at some time. Could you clear this up a little. I'll defer to Dirty_Denim or @laura to confirm, but when I stopped by the shop yesterday, Sal showed me some of the completed shirts getting ready to ship, and one of them was the Indigo over Indigo (in an Oregon cut, which is something I have on order). It was deep blue. Absolutely. Not dark enough to be mistaken with black. In fact, I likened it to my Gustin Italian Midnights, thinking that the shirt may bleed a little at first. Maybe Laura can snap a pic or two of that shirt (Laura - it was hanging on the rack close to the front of the shop (where the various vintage sewing machines are set up).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 15:04:49 GMT -6
Please dont task Laura with taking photos of shirts. She's busy shipping orders and tells me my jeans are 'worth the wait'
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Post by Winterland on Jan 13, 2015 15:22:56 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim Dude. I need to know something. The new pics showes the Kaihara Indigo over indigo. www.ra-denim.com/10-5-oz-kaihara-mills-indigo-over-indigo-mens-shirt/ In this pic it looks black. And it looks a whole lot like the IxI I got frum gustin only lighter (the id is the exact same). I kinda hate this fabric because mine never got indigo, it got grey. On 28. Novermber I ordered a montana with "Kaihara 10.5oz Indigo over indigo" but at the time the photos looked very very blue. (Order #1220) Is it the same fabric and its actually more black? Or are these 2 different fabrics? If they are different, how do you tell them apart? I think there were another 10.5 kaihara aswell at some time. Could you clear this up a little. I will chime in say the 10.5 oz pics you are talking about look just like my 14oz Kaihara IxI Montana shirt fabric that I have reviewed here. It is dark indigo. Not black. My shirt is just starting to get some very cool wear fades. I wear it a lot. I will get some pics up soon. It is fading into an electric blue. No grey going on here. I thought about ordering a 10.5oz shirt also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 15:31:49 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim Dude. I need to know something. The new pics showes the Kaihara Indigo over indigo. www.ra-denim.com/10-5-oz-kaihara-mills-indigo-over-indigo-mens-shirt/ In this pic it looks black. And it looks a whole lot like the IxI I got frum gustin only lighter (the id is the exact same). I kinda hate this fabric because mine never got indigo, it got grey. On 28. Novermber I ordered a montana with "Kaihara 10.5oz Indigo over indigo" but at the time the photos looked very very blue. (Order #1220) Is it the same fabric and its actually more black? Or are these 2 different fabrics? If they are different, how do you tell them apart? I think there were another 10.5 kaihara aswell at some time. Could you clear this up a little. I will chime in say the 10.5 oz pics you are talking about look just like my 14oz Kaihara IxI Montana shirt fabric that I have reviewed here. It is dark indigo. Not black. My shirt is just starting to get some very cool wear fades. I wear it a lot. I will get some pics up soon. It is fading into an electric blue. No grey going on here. I thought about ordering a 10.5oz shirt also. I am waiting for lighter weight non denim/wool shirt fabric for the warmer weather. Gustin's fit doesn't work for me and TS price is a bit on the high side. Needs LD to pull through for me.
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Post by jbreitenbucher on Jan 13, 2015 18:31:07 GMT -6
I will chime in say the 10.5 oz pics you are talking about look just like my 14oz Kaihara IxI Montana shirt fabric that I have reviewed here. It is dark indigo. Not black. My shirt is just starting to get some very cool wear fades. I wear it a lot. I will get some pics up soon. It is fading into an electric blue. No grey going on here. I thought about ordering a 10.5oz shirt also. I am waiting for lighter weight non denim/wool shirt fabric for the warmer weather. Gustin's fit doesn't work for me and TS price is a bit on the high side. Needs LD to pull through for me. I must say I like the pricing on Gustin's shirts, but a L is too big and a M is too small. TS either doesn't have fabric that excites me or the price is a little high for me. I'd be happy as a clam if LD priced their shirts at $87 (a happy medium since $98 feels a little high to me).
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