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Post by northcoast on Oct 9, 2016 13:27:44 GMT -6
now this thread has been officially hijacked Flagged for moderation. :-) |
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Post by Winterland on Oct 10, 2016 0:28:34 GMT -6
I have Iron Heart shirts but not the Blackwatch. Would like one though. Looks nice. IH fabric really is all top of the line. The construction is outstanding also. Great customer service. You really can't go wrong except for spending all your money.  I heard good things about IH's flannels, but $300 for a button down shirt? I find that impossible to justify, especially since I am a college student and I could buy a pair of good MTO boots from Indonesia for that price. What's so good about the fabric they use? Mind describing it? Also, has Gustin used their fabric before? I just realized I misread your question. When you asked about JP (Japanese) fabrics, in my mind I saw IH and proceeded to talk about them. I take it you were asking about Gustin's JP fabrics. I didn't mean to derail Gustin talk to talk about IH.  ickes did a great job explaining about IH fabrics. Moved some posts to this Thread to keep things on topic. |
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Post by yunix on Oct 10, 2016 18:57:24 GMT -6
I heard good things about IH's flannels, but $300 for a button down shirt? I find that impossible to justify, especially since I am a college student and I could buy a pair of good MTO boots from Indonesia for that price. What's so good about the fabric they use? Mind describing it? Also, has Gustin used their fabric before? If you feel that you can't justify paying the price for their products then you probably can't be swayed just by me trying to describe them to you, you will have to just try them on your own. That's how it was in my case anyways. but like Winterland said, the fabrics they use are all top of the line. Also, almost all of their fabrics are proprietary. There are a few exceptions but I would say that easily over 90% of their fabrics are made for them. You will not find them anywhere else. The main thing that you will notice about most of their fabrics is the weight. They use very heavy fabrics for the most part and that can either be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. Their patterns are also extremely well done on their plaids IMO. Very unique color combinations and patterns that just almost always look fantastic. The biggest thing for me I would say is that IH shirts are the only shirts that I have found that you will look at 5 years down the road and it will still be relevant, look just as good as they did the day they came out. Most other brands I will look at a shirt maybe 2 years after I bought it and think why did I buy this? It just doesn't look good anymore, it looks dated. IH stuff really does stand the test of time IMO. now this thread has been officially hijacked Having fabric specifically made for them sounds pretty sick. So they're heavy and soft. There are US brands like LL Bean that offers the same thing but at far lower costs right? Their patterns I've seen so far look all pretty classic, nothing special. I guess the brand's not for me then. If that's all they have, I rather just buy lower priced flannel shirts. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 10, 2016 21:07:16 GMT -6
Having fabric specifically made for them sounds pretty sick. So they're heavy and soft. There are US brands like LL Bean that offers the same thing but at far lower costs right? Their patterns I've seen so far look all pretty classic, nothing special. I guess the brand's not for me then. If that's all they have, I rather just buy lower priced flannel shirts. That's cool. Saves the shirts for people that want them. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 10, 2016 21:32:08 GMT -6
If you feel that you can't justify paying the price for their products then you probably can't be swayed just by me trying to describe them to you, you will have to just try them on your own. That's how it was in my case anyways. but like Winterland said, the fabrics they use are all top of the line. Also, almost all of their fabrics are proprietary. There are a few exceptions but I would say that easily over 90% of their fabrics are made for them. You will not find them anywhere else. The main thing that you will notice about most of their fabrics is the weight. They use very heavy fabrics for the most part and that can either be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. Their patterns are also extremely well done on their plaids IMO. Very unique color combinations and patterns that just almost always look fantastic. The biggest thing for me I would say is that IH shirts are the only shirts that I have found that you will look at 5 years down the road and it will still be relevant, look just as good as they did the day they came out. Most other brands I will look at a shirt maybe 2 years after I bought it and think why did I buy this? It just doesn't look good anymore, it looks dated. IH stuff really does stand the test of time IMO. now this thread has been officially hijacked Having fabric specifically made for them sounds pretty sick. So they're heavy and soft. There are US brands like LL Bean that offers the same thing but at far lower costs right? Their patterns I've seen so far look all pretty classic, nothing special. I guess the brand's not for me then. If that's all they have, I rather just buy lower priced flannel shirts. Not even close. |
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Post by yunix on Oct 10, 2016 22:30:59 GMT -6
Having fabric specifically made for them sounds pretty sick. So they're heavy and soft. There are US brands like LL Bean that offers the same thing but at far lower costs right? Their patterns I've seen so far look all pretty classic, nothing special. I guess the brand's not for me then. If that's all they have, I rather just buy lower priced flannel shirts. Not even close. Mind if you describe in what sense there different? Like the flannels is already pretty soft. And the thick stuff I've seen from Vermknt Flannle is pretty thick too. I wish I can go to some NYC store and see how the shirts are themselves. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2016 0:56:51 GMT -6
Mind if you describe in what sense there different? Like the flannels is already pretty soft. And the thick stuff I've seen from Vermknt Flannle is pretty thick too. I wish I can go to some NYC store and see how the shirts are themselves. Well first off none of the L.L. Bean flannel patterns that I have seen are very interesting or appealing to me but that is just a matter of opinion. The IH flannel patterns are definitely more rock and roll and more original. Sure they have some classic buffalo checks and Ombres but a lot of them are very unique (the IHSH-107 and the upcoming crazy plaids for example). Second, the IH flannels are made from Aspero cotton: faq.ironheart.co.uk/article/77/what-is-aspero-cottonThird, the IH UHF (Ultra Heavy Flannels) are 12 oz. I have not found a flannel that is that thick anywhere else and I don't think they exist other than the IH fabrics. 12oz is heavy. Some people don't like flannels that heavy but for a lot of us it is a desirable thing, much like heavyweight denim can be to some. Fourth, a lot of them are made in a Western cut which I wasn't too fond of at first but I have grown to love. All of their Westerns come with snaps as opposed to buttons, which I love. Some are also made in a work shirt cut which is a fuller cut and with buttons instead of snaps. I get it, their shirts are a lot of money and nobody is going to argue that point. I used to think just like you before I bought my first one, you can look at the first page of this thread to see my comments. But the things I have listed above are what make them second to none. Some of those things might not be desirable to you and many others, but to me and the ones who love their flannels they are desirable characteristics. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 5:49:50 GMT -6
I do have 2 UHF-esque flannels that I found in my thrifting while in Japan: one by Ralph Lauren (Western, with snaps), and one by Nautica (Shacket, with buttons). They are both just as heavy, and possibly the Ralph Lauren one is heavier. But, the fabric is just tightly knit and boring. No interesting pattern, and it doesn't feel as pleasing to the touch as my UHF's.
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Post by ncbluegrass on Oct 11, 2016 8:52:18 GMT -6
I've been combing this thread a lot lately, witnessing ickes transformation from a "no way" guy to a full on believer in a matter of pages.
I'm not a big fan of western style shirts, just have fallen out of love with snaps, so i'm looking at the work shirt styles. I have a lot of midweight flannel, 5-8oz styles, but nothing this substantial. I'll be taking measurements, but i'm generally an off-the-rack "Medium Slim" fit. 6'1", 165lbs. I'll be taking some measurements of my best fitting shirts, but who can offer some IH shirting fit tips beforehand?
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Post by bentin on Oct 11, 2016 9:13:08 GMT -6
UES lists their Heavy as 14.5oz and their Extra Heavy as 15.5oz. Bugula had some, but he's not around to compare. SdA also sells pretty heavy flannels. It's certainly more of a Japanese thing though as US guys seem to only run up to 9-10oz.
But like @untucked said, RL and certainly RRL make some heavier stuff, as does Alex Mill, but both are Chinese made.
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2016 9:50:58 GMT -6
I've been combing this thread a lot lately, witnessing ickes transformation from a "no way" guy to a full on believer in a matter of pages. I'm not a big fan of western style shirts, just have fallen out of love with snaps, so i'm looking at the work shirt styles. I have a lot of midweight flannel, 5-8oz styles, but nothing this substantial. I'll be taking measurements, but i'm generally an off-the-rack "Medium Slim" fit. 6'1", 165lbs. I'll be taking some measurements of my best fitting shirts, but who can offer some IH shirting fit tips beforehand? just based off of this information I would say that you are generally going to be an XL in IH shirts. You have to keep in mind though that there is a fit guide for each individual item. I am usually an XL but can be an XXL depending on the shirt. If you're looking for a slim fit though the IH work shirts don't really fit that bill, the Westerns do. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2016 9:52:45 GMT -6
UES lists their Heavy as 14.5oz and their Extra Heavy as 15.5oz. Bugula had some, but he's not around to compare. SdA also sells pretty heavy flannels. It's certainly more of a Japanese thing though as US guys seem to only run up to 9-10oz. But like @untucked said, RL and certainly RRL make some heavier stuff, as does Alex Mill, but both are Chinese made. good lord, that's some heavy flannel action going on there. I wasn't aware of those. |
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Post by bentin on Oct 11, 2016 9:59:07 GMT -6
UES lists their Heavy as 14.5oz and their Extra Heavy as 15.5oz. Bugula had some, but he's not around to compare. SdA also sells pretty heavy flannels. It's certainly more of a Japanese thing though as US guys seem to only run up to 9-10oz. But like @untucked said, RL and certainly RRL make some heavier stuff, as does Alex Mill, but both are Chinese made. good lord, that's some heavy flannel action going on there. I wasn't aware of those. Looks like the EHF only comes in Japanese sizes, but the HF comes in Big Boy sizes. Seems like we had a thread on UES that discussed their release schedule, most sizes are currently picked through on their site and over at Rivet & Hide. But this sort of detail shot makes me want to find out:  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 10:12:12 GMT -6
^^^Exactly, lol! My UHF's are so warm, I can't imagine needing heavier than they are lol
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Post by bentin on Oct 11, 2016 10:14:00 GMT -6
^^^Exactly, lol! My UHF's are so warm, I can't imagine needing heavier than they are lol That's my issue with something this heavy, I'm a desk jockey, so it's essentially gotta just be a glorified jacket that doesn't really block the wind and certainly isn't weather proof. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 11, 2016 11:55:45 GMT -6
UES lists their Heavy as 14.5oz and their Extra Heavy as 15.5oz. Bugula had some, but he's not around to compare. SdA also sells pretty heavy flannels. It's certainly more of a Japanese thing though as US guys seem to only run up to 9-10oz. But like @untucked said, RL and certainly RRL make some heavier stuff, as does Alex Mill, but both are Chinese made. Alex Mill is the one brand that makes me saddest of all. Fantastic eye for fabric, terrible eye for fair labor. |
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Post by bentin on Oct 11, 2016 12:15:49 GMT -6
Alex Mill is the one brand that makes me saddest of all. Fantastic eye for fabric, terrible eye for fair labor. There's actually hope. They have a few MiUSA products this season and I've heard rumors that they're looking to be the men's Madewell, which would actually be pretty cool. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2016 12:45:59 GMT -6
Alex Mill..they have some nice looking stuff. Great, another brand to add to the give it a try list.
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2016 12:49:00 GMT -6
Their T-shirts look damn good too
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Post by jamesr on Oct 11, 2016 15:54:04 GMT -6
I've been combing this thread a lot lately, witnessing ickes transformation from a "no way" guy to a full on believer in a matter of pages. I'm not a big fan of western style shirts, just have fallen out of love with snaps, so i'm looking at the work shirt styles. I have a lot of midweight flannel, 5-8oz styles, but nothing this substantial. I'll be taking measurements, but i'm generally an off-the-rack "Medium Slim" fit. 6'1", 165lbs. I'll be taking some measurements of my best fitting shirts, but who can offer some IH shirting fit tips beforehand? Not sure if it helps but I'm around 5'11", 160lbs and IH Medium generally fits me best. I also wear a Medium Slim in a lot of brands. I'm a 33 or 34 in IH denim. I would probably be a 32 if the thighs were made to fit an adult. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 12, 2016 0:01:52 GMT -6
Not sure if it helps but I'm around 5'11", 160lbs and IH Medium generally fits me best. I also wear a Medium Slim in a lot of brands. I'm a 33 or 34 in IH denim. I would probably be a 32 if the thighs were made to fit an adult. Thank you for the reminder that I am fat and need to be going to the gym on the regular. I'm also 5'11, and I've only got like 18 pounds on you, but I require something like an XXL in Iron Heart. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 12, 2016 0:37:52 GMT -6
Not sure if it helps but I'm around 5'11", 160lbs and IH Medium generally fits me best. I also wear a Medium Slim in a lot of brands. I'm a 33 or 34 in IH denim. I would probably be a 32 if the thighs were made to fit an adult. Thank you for the reminder that I am fat and need to be going to the gym on the regular. I'm also 5'11, and I've only got like 18 pounds on you, but I require something like an XXL in Iron Heart. that's because of all your muscles |
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Post by ickes on Oct 12, 2016 0:41:00 GMT -6
I've been combing this thread a lot lately, witnessing ickes transformation from a "no way" guy to a full on believer in a matter of pages. I'm not a big fan of western style shirts, just have fallen out of love with snaps, so i'm looking at the work shirt styles. I have a lot of midweight flannel, 5-8oz styles, but nothing this substantial. I'll be taking measurements, but i'm generally an off-the-rack "Medium Slim" fit. 6'1", 165lbs. I'll be taking some measurements of my best fitting shirts, but who can offer some IH shirting fit tips beforehand? Not sure if it helps but I'm around 5'11", 160lbs and IH Medium generally fits me best. I also wear a Medium Slim in a lot of brands. I'm a 33 or 34 in IH denim. I would probably be a 32 if the thighs were made to fit an adult. well not to confuse matters anymore ncbluegrass, but I'm 6' and hover right around 170-175 and I'm almost always an XL sometimes XXL like I said earlier. So it's all going to vary depending on your build. Measure you're best fitting shirts and compare to the IH fit guides. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 12, 2016 1:29:45 GMT -6
Thank you for the reminder that I am fat and need to be going to the gym on the regular. I'm also 5'11, and I've only got like 18 pounds on you, but I require something like an XXL in Iron Heart. that's because of all your muscles oh... I assure you that's not the case. That's why YOU need XL-XXL, but certainly not why I do. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 1:35:55 GMT -6
I've been combing this thread a lot lately, witnessing ickes transformation from a "no way" guy to a full on believer in a matter of pages. I'm not a big fan of western style shirts, just have fallen out of love with snaps, so i'm looking at the work shirt styles. I have a lot of midweight flannel, 5-8oz styles, but nothing this substantial. I'll be taking measurements, but i'm generally an off-the-rack "Medium Slim" fit. 6'1", 165lbs. I'll be taking some measurements of my best fitting shirts, but who can offer some IH shirting fit tips beforehand? Not sure if it helps but I'm around 5'11", 160lbs and IH Medium generally fits me best. I also wear a Medium Slim in a lot of brands. I'm a 33 or 34 in IH denim. I would probably be a 32 if the thighs were made to fit an adult. Interesting..... I'm 5'9", 180lbs, medium in most shirts, sz. 34 in most IH pants, but only a 32" waist. Lol, see this is why we always have to tell people to measure their favorite fitting items, because "body stats" don't mean CRAP! |
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