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Post by doctorcowboy on Apr 2, 2015 8:17:38 GMT -6
So, after the wonderful email from LD yesterday, I got to thinking about the crazy timeframes and everything that has gone on between when everyone was all a-bustle about the promise of LD and now. Like many, I ordered during the first 50% off sale, then during the second 50% off sale. My stuff hasn't even entered into cutting, as far as I know. But, that's ok. I'm holding out more from stubborness than a true desire to see any of my clothing. If they fit, they'll be regulated to my beater pile and will likely be torn up in the course of working on my car, doing outside work, etc.
I started taking stock of everything that's happened in the last 4 months, and it's pretty laughable. So, here's a "love letter" to LD covering high points of my life in the last 4 months, and expectations for the next two months (I don't actually expect any of my orders in two months, but hey, whatever). Add your life milestones as well guys!
(this is tongue in cheek - but I think we all need a good vent now and again)
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Dear Lawless,
Summer turns to Fall. Fall turns to Winter. Winter turns to Spring. Spring turns to Summer. And I still don’t have any pants.
Time flies when building Ferraris and made to order clothing. As I move into the 4th month (16 weeks) of waiting on my pants, I’m forced to ponder the many changes that have happened in my life in that all-to-short 4 months.
• I proposed to my girlfriend
• I had a great Thanksgiving with my family
• I ordered $500K of server equipment for my company’s new backup service
• I had a great Christmas with my family
• I had an awesome New Years with my fiancé
• I placed and received two orders with Gustin
• I placed two workshop orders with Taylor Stitch and have received one of them
• I replaced the engine in my car
• I vetted vendors and designed my company’s cloud infrastructure
• I moved my elderly aunt and uncle from one city to another
• I migrated 25TB of customer backup data from the vendor to our datacenter
• I placed a chino order with a MTO company based in Texas (who has amazing communication!)
• I pre-ordered and received Masterpiece Star Saber and Masterpiece Ultra Magnus from a Japanese vendor
If the pants aren’t here in a month, then,
• I’ll have married my fiancé and went on a honeymoon
• I’ll have received my last workshop order from Taylor Stitch
• I’ll have migrated another 25TB of customer backup data
• I’ll have received our cloud infrastructure hardware and begun the build-out and testing process
If the pants aren’t here in two months, then
• I’ll have received my MTO chinos from the afore-mentioned Texas company
• I’ll have our cloud infrastructure built, our production environment migrated to it, and two new customer-based services spun up
• I’ll likely have a new pair of MTO boots from some folks out of El Paso that I haven’t ordered yet
So, yeah. An amazing amount of life can happen in six months. Despite all of that, I still don’t have any pants. What have you been doing?
Love,
DoctorCowboy
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Post by elim on Apr 2, 2015 8:21:07 GMT -6
Awesome!  |
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Post by stinky on Apr 2, 2015 8:35:25 GMT -6
The most amazing part of this is that you were able to plan a wedding in 5 months.
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Post by usctroll on Apr 2, 2015 8:55:29 GMT -6
I'm thinking I will grow old and die waiting. Your approach is much more positive.
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Post by doctorcowboy on Apr 2, 2015 9:24:30 GMT -6
The most amazing part of this is that you were able to plan a wedding in 5 months. We were going to do it in the field behind our house, but we discovered that we'd have 60 or so folks that were just family. 60+ people and one bathroom just doesn't fit well. So, we had to change venues, which made things more complicated. But, overall, it's going to be pretty simple and low key. Not a "royal" wedding or anything. So, planning is pretty simple. |
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Post by chrisdoth on Apr 2, 2015 10:01:41 GMT -6
Just goes to show what you can achieve in four months when you really try. Well done and congratulations!
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Post by gaseousclay on Apr 2, 2015 10:13:49 GMT -6
I'm curious what some of the established brands think of LD and how they're doing business. I know it's not in any company's best interest to say anything but wow, this truly is like watching a train wreck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 10:18:13 GMT -6
I'm curious what some of the established brands think of LD and how they're doing business. I know it's not in any company's best interest to say anything but wow, this truly is like watching a train wreck. I'd say they're ecstatic. Driving customers right to their doorsteps. |
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Post by brentkuz on Apr 2, 2015 10:37:17 GMT -6
Lawless gives a bad name to kick starter right now. Stinks they had a ton of promise. Huge black eye.
My last item is in the mail, I will never do business with Lawless again.
I will wear my upside down patched jeans with pride though.
Also I don't care if this chambray shirt that is in the mail comes in completey wrong I will not send it back. I will wear it, sell it, give it to someone, make a dog you for my greyhound. I don't care. It's done the lawless experiment is over for me.
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Post by chrisdoth on Apr 2, 2015 10:43:23 GMT -6
I just wrote a long reply to their latest update wherin we are supposed to feel bad for the situation they are in as they didn't expect 2500 orders would come in over two days when they ran their big promotion everywhere but I just can't be bothered with posting it.
The fact they actively ran more and more promotions after this for over a month, continuing to assure people that orders would be delivered in that time frame as orders got more and more behind, well, enough for me.
I'm sure time, their abilities, word of mouth and economics will sort things out.
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Post by julian on Apr 2, 2015 10:47:47 GMT -6
It's done the lawless experiment is over for me. My sentiments exactly. Makes no difference how good (or bad) the jeans I've ordered end up being, assuming they ever turn up, because I will never, ever, order anything from Lawless again. If I'm asked, I will go out of my way to inform others that buying from Lawless is an extremely bad idea. Given the numerous stories here, I don't even know if they've run out of the fabric I ordered and they're just sitting on my money doing F all. In fact, I have no idea about anything other than my bank account having been debited. If I was American I'd be even more pissed off that a company is trumpeting on about how they're 'American made' and all the rest of it and yet they are quite literally the biggest joke in the jeans industry at the moment. I'll be entering week 22 since my first order as of Monday. Utter lunacy. |
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Post by wdw on Apr 2, 2015 10:57:10 GMT -6
It would be interesting to know how much stuff Ciano's two-man-band gets out per week compared to the hi-tech Ferrari production line.
My money would be on Ciano producing more.
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Post by stinky on Apr 2, 2015 11:54:58 GMT -6
FWIW, since placing my Lawless Denim orders, I taught myself how to hand stitch leather and made, among other things, a killer veg tan tote bag for my wife and a veg tan dopp kit for myself. Those things will be fully patinaed by the time I get my orders.
I fully gutted a bedroom in my 100 yo house two weeks ago and I will probably be finished remodeling it (including installing and finishing red oak flooring, tin ceiling, removing 12ish layers of lead paint from doors and trim, full wall skimming and plaster repair, and custom millwork) and on to the next room before I see the first of my orders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 12:06:23 GMT -6
FWIW, since placing my Lawless Denim orders, I taught myself how to hand stitch leather and made, among other things, a killer veg tan tote bag for my wife and a veg tan dopp kit for myself. Those things will be fully patinaed bequeathed to my children by the time I get my orders. FTFY |
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Post by metals37 on Apr 2, 2015 13:38:50 GMT -6
FWIW, since placing my Lawless Denim orders, I taught myself how to hand stitch leather and made, among other things, a killer veg tan tote bag for my wife and a veg tan dopp kit for myself. Those things will be fully patinaed by the time I get my orders. I fully gutted a bedroom in my 100 yo house two weeks ago and I will probably be finished remodeling it (including installing and finishing red oak flooring, tin ceiling, removing 12ish layers of lead paint from doors and trim, full wall skimming and plaster repair, and custom millwork) and on to the next room before I see the first of my orders. Completely off topic, I'd love to see pictures of this project stinky I'm a big nutter for old houses - all the beautiful built-in stuff they did with the great old growth wood |
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Post by stinky on Apr 2, 2015 14:45:33 GMT -6
FWIW, since placing my Lawless Denim orders, I taught myself how to hand stitch leather and made, among other things, a killer veg tan tote bag for my wife and a veg tan dopp kit for myself. Those things will be fully patinaed by the time I get my orders. I fully gutted a bedroom in my 100 yo house two weeks ago and I will probably be finished remodeling it (including installing and finishing red oak flooring, tin ceiling, removing 12ish layers of lead paint from doors and trim, full wall skimming and plaster repair, and custom millwork) and on to the next room before I see the first of my orders. Completely off topic, I'd love to see pictures of this project stinky I'm a big nutter for old houses - all the beautiful built-in stuff they did with the great old growth wood I'll be happy to post up some before/after pics when I'm done. I'll tell you, though, my home couldn't possibly be any more modest and devoid of architectural detail--a brick cottage that was originally 1000sf--underneath the carpet was painted pine floors, the trim is sparse and square, and all of the doors and trim are shellacked pine. I find it funny because I'm two blocks from the FLW studio, the Huertley House, Moore House, and numerous other prairie style masterpieces. And then there's my styleless brick box. On the positive side, it's a blank canvas. |
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Post by Old26 on Apr 2, 2015 18:21:31 GMT -6
FWIW, since placing my Lawless Denim orders, I taught myself how to hand stitch leather and made, among other things, a killer veg tan tote bag for my wife and a veg tan dopp kit for myself. Those things will be fully patinaed by the time I get my orders. I fully gutted a bedroom in my 100 yo house two weeks ago and I will probably be finished remodeling it (including installing and finishing red oak flooring, tin ceiling, removing 12ish layers of lead paint from doors and trim, full wall skimming and plaster repair, and custom millwork) and on to the next room before I see the first of my orders. Completely off topic, I'd love to see pictures of this project stinky I'm a big nutter for old houses - all the beautiful built-in stuff they did with the great old growth wood We have a 1906 bungalow/cottage styled home. We adding a room now and bought a bunch of reclaimed wood from Tennessee - a guy there reclaims the wood from Railroad buildings and grain elevators. The wood is only cut down and rough cut with a tongue-and-groove for obvious reasons. We will be putting it in shortly, and he guaranteed that it was all at least 100-125 years old. It's various widths and we're not yet sure how to finish it off - likely have to wait for it to be down. And speaking of - I saw a piece on the news last night about this cat in Detroit that is reclaiming the kick-ass wood from old buildings being demo'd - a Chrysler factory most recently. He's making guitars from the wood and selling them for $2k a pop - amazing looking pieces. Don't know if they sound good, but they look the shit and I totally dig the idea behind it. Dee-troit Geetars |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 2, 2015 18:40:58 GMT -6
The most amazing part of this is that you were able to plan a wedding in 5 months. We were going to do it in the field behind our house, but we discovered that we'd have 60 or so folks that were just family. 60+ people and one bathroom just doesn't fit well. So, we had to change venues, which made things more complicated. But, overall, it's going to be pretty simple and low key. Not a "royal" wedding or anything. So, planning is pretty simple. Are we invited? Can we wear jeans?  Congrats on the wedding. |
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Post by univibe88 on Apr 2, 2015 18:46:13 GMT -6
I will wear my upside down patched jeans with pride though.  |
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Post by scooter on Apr 2, 2015 18:55:25 GMT -6
I will wear my upside down patched jeans with pride though. The Ferrari of stamps |
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Post by doctorcowboy on Apr 2, 2015 21:22:59 GMT -6
We were going to do it in the field behind our house, but we discovered that we'd have 60 or so folks that were just family. 60+ people and one bathroom just doesn't fit well. So, we had to change venues, which made things more complicated. But, overall, it's going to be pretty simple and low key. Not a "royal" wedding or anything. So, planning is pretty simple. Are we invited? Can we wear jeans? Congrats on the wedding. Of course! I'll be wearing jeans.  And, thanks! |
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Post by stinky on Apr 3, 2015 12:30:37 GMT -6
Completely off topic, I'd love to see pictures of this project stinky I'm a big nutter for old houses - all the beautiful built-in stuff they did with the great old growth wood We have a 1906 bungalow/cottage styled home. We adding a room now and bought a bunch of reclaimed wood from Tennessee - a guy there reclaims the wood from Railroad buildings and grain elevators. The wood is only cut down and rough cut with a tongue-and-groove for obvious reasons. We will be putting it in shortly, and he guaranteed that it was all at least 100-125 years old. It's various widths and we're not yet sure how to finish it off - likely have to wait for it to be down. And speaking of - I saw a piece on the news last night about this cat in Detroit that is reclaiming the kick-ass wood from old buildings being demo'd - a Chrysler factory most recently. He's making guitars from the wood and selling them for $2k a pop - amazing looking pieces. Don't know if they sound good, but they look the shit and I totally dig the idea behind it. Dee-troit GeetarsYou have to post up some pix of the process--I love reclaimed wood projects. General Finishes makes a product called Arm-R-Seal that is available in a satin finish that is perfect for projects like this. You can get the beauty and depth of antique finishes but with the benefit of modern durability. It's great stuff. I also love waterlox satin--it has a very high tung oil content and provides an antique feel. You may have trouble finding either of those products in CA, though. I was lucky enough to be able to salvage all of my trim . . . there's a few places that were bodged throughout the years where the trim will have to be replaced, and then of course the new stuff I add, but I've done enough research that I should be able to mimic the age reasonably close without the expense of getting old wood trucked in. There's nothing IMO that provides more satisfaction than working on your house. |
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