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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 0:06:54 GMT -6
The only two supps I'm currently taking are: Creatine = Controlled Labs Green Magnitude Really like the taste of green apple and it has a solid profile, and enough servings for me to trying it out over dirt cheap micronized creatine. BCAAs = I go all over the place for this one. Depends on what is on sale for BOGO, and what I feel like trying. I've tried about 5 different BCAA brands. Scivation Xtend was my first and go to for a while, but I wanted to try other brands. Tried Cellucor B-BCAA, and it was okay, but pricey, because you really had to use 2 servings to get the same benefit as many other brands' 1 serving. Currently using USPlabs Modern BCAA+ that I picked up during a buy one get one free. Has a great profile, and mixes fairly easily into a bottle of water.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 10, 2015 8:38:07 GMT -6
I've been going for basic supplements.
Creatine cycle is quite basic
ON micronized creatine powder. Just one ingredient which is creatine monohydrate. 5g per teaspoon.
I load five days at 15g then maintenance is 3 weeks at 8g 4pre and 4 post workout.
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2015 10:07:48 GMT -6
If you guys are taking creatine monohydrate by itself you are wasting your money. I recently found out why creatine never worked for me. I'm dosing is differently now and this video explains how to take it.
Please watch this fellas;
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2015 10:08:39 GMT -6
and maybe you guys already knew this. I didn't
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2015 10:28:50 GMT -6
So I have finished my tub of Arnold Iron Mass and I have to do a follow up review because now that I have gone through the whole tub I have a different outcome for my review. I still feel the ingredients are good, the flavor is awesome, and all the positive things I stated in my first review still stand true. However, there is one key thing that will prevent me from ever purchasing this again and from every recommending it. I hate to give too much information here fellas but I have to post this because it is truly relevant to the review of the product. Arnold Iron Mass gave me the worst explosive diarrhea I have ever had in my life. It took a few days for it to kick in but I pretty much had it every day while I was taking the tub. I have since switched to Pro Jym protein blend by Jim Stoppani (review coming soon) and the diarrhea has immediately gone away.
So I just wanted to share this because it's not fun having uncontrollable explosive diarrhea every day and I don't think anyone should have to go through that while taking a supplement. I'm not sure exactly what was causing the diarrhea but I believe there are some proprietary blends in Arnold Iron Mass so I am thinking that there is some type of filler in one of those prop blends that did not agree with me. From this point forward I am staying away from any products with prop blends as I need to know exactly what is being put in my body and at what doses. This is exactly why I have all JYM supplements in my pantry now. I know there are some other brands out there that don't hide any ingredients and I know I probably sound like a Jim Stoppani fan boy right now but his products are so clean and so effective. I will give reviews later.
so yeah, stay away from the Arnold Iron Mass.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 10, 2015 14:00:48 GMT -6
ickes - what was the fat and fiber content of the Arnold mass? Or any other ingredient that might cause it?
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2015 14:26:00 GMT -6
The fat content is high at 21g (190 calories from fat) and Dietary Fiber is at 1g. There is also a Prop Blend called "Pro Digest Blend" containing unknown amounts of Protease, Lactase, Amylase, Lipase, Inulin, and Fructooligosaccharides.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 10, 2015 15:56:31 GMT -6
Could be the fat? If you're not used to that much fat content in your diet I could see that happening.
Also I do micronized creatine with my shake pre/post gym. I do like 6g about split 3/3.
Monohydrate creatine is the best bang for your buck and usually very high quality. Micronized makes it easier on the stomach.
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Post by ickes on Feb 10, 2015 16:52:10 GMT -6
Could be the fat? If you're not used to that much fat content in your diet I could see that happening. Also I do micronized creatine with my shake pre/post gym. I do like 6g about split 3/3. Monohydrate creatine is the best bang for your buck and usually very high quality. Micronized makes it easier on the stomach. I'm thinking it might have been the fat. My diet is very low in fat. It sounds like you've got the creatine dosing down perfectly. I just never realized that you need to take it with something to push it into the muscles (dextrose, etc..). I am now taking 16 to 32g of Dextrose post workout with my Post Jym drink to shove all those nutrients into my muscles post workout.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 10, 2015 16:56:59 GMT -6
I cut out the sugar with the creatine. I gotta find it but a recent study showed people taking creatine with protein (whey in the study) had the same results as mixing with sugar. Monohydrate has shown results for over 30 years. Creatine really is an awesome body building supplement. Look at how good Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire did on it!
Onto BCAA's is anyone sold on these? Only good study I read showed they help retain muscle when you are cutting during fasted training sessions. I did a large bottle of x-tends and I really am not sold on them. Only real pro-bcaa studies I've seen were by bcaa companies.
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Post by jeffrx on Feb 10, 2015 17:49:12 GMT -6
I don't think BCAAs are necessary if you are getting sufficient protein. I'd be surprised if there was a significant additional benefit of BCAAs in people who also supplement with protein.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 10, 2015 17:53:06 GMT -6
I don't think BCAAs are necessary if you are getting sufficient protein. I'd be surprised if there was a significant additional benefit of BCAAs in people who also supplement with protein. I am in agreement with this.
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Post by ickes on Feb 11, 2015 0:42:17 GMT -6
I don't think BCAAs are necessary if you are getting sufficient protein. I'd be surprised if there was a significant additional benefit of BCAAs in people who also supplement with protein. I am in agreement with this. I agree and disagree with this, and I believe amino acids are absolutely important and a waste of money at the same time. Allow me to explain gentleman . First off, it depends on what your definition of sufficient is in regards to protein. Research has shown you need 40 grams of protein from chicken breast(s) in a meal to get a sufficient amount of amino acids in your diet. I'm not sure how it translates to other sources of protein however. So if on your off days you are getting the equivalent of that at every meal then I'd say you do not need to supplement with aminos. In regards to amino acids taken pre, intra, and post workout I believe it all depends on what your expecting the aminos to do for you. If you take them only pre and/or intra and are expecting the aminos to help you build muscle then you will be disappointed. Aminos taken pre and intra workout will be used for energy by your body. I believe that aminos work very well for that purpose BUT research has shown that they will only work as an effective source of energy if taken in a 2:1:1 ratio. If taken in an 8:1:1 or a 10:1:1 ratio they will not be a good source of energy because the excessive amounts of Leucine in those higher ratio formulas will overpower the Valine. Valine is the amino acid that blunts fatigue and blocks Tryptophan. As many people know, Tryptophan is the amino acid which will makes you lethargic. So if you are taking an 8:1:1 or 10:1:1 ratio pre and/or intra then the amino acids will not be effective. Aminos taken after your workout are when the aminos will be used to build muscle. You can take a higher ratio post workout and it will be effective to build muscle because thats when the Leucine (the first number in the ratio, the 8 or 10) will be used by the body to build muscle and work its magic. However, it is still recommended to use a 2:1:1 or a 3:1:1 ratio post workout because research has shown that these ratios actually work better at repairing and building muscle than the ratios with the high Leucine content.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 11, 2015 9:07:11 GMT -6
Every protein powder I've taken has 5g of bcaa in each scoop worked into X amount of protein.
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Post by Winterland on Feb 11, 2015 12:26:45 GMT -6
Thanks for all the good info guys. FYI I sometimes browse the forum in between my lifts working out. Not sure if that will raise or lower my testosterone.
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Post by ickes on Feb 11, 2015 12:55:34 GMT -6
Thanks for all the good info guys. FYI I sometimes browse the forum in between my lifts working out. Not sure if that will raise or lower my testosterone. ha...I'll do the same sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:14:08 GMT -6
If you're working out fasted, i.e. intermittent fasting, then there will be no protein to get BCAAs from preworkout or intraworkout. BCAAs are pretty useless to take separately if you are already taking a pre-workout protein shake, but during a fast, they can be very necessary.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 11, 2015 19:56:23 GMT -6
If you're working out fasted, i.e. intermittent fasting, then there will be no protein to get BCAAs from preworkout or intraworkout. BCAAs are pretty useless to take separately if you are already taking a pre-workout protein shake, but during a fast, they can be very necessary. That was the study I read. Fasted training taking bcaa either before or intra workout helped maintain musclemass.
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Post by ickes on Mar 4, 2015 15:09:12 GMT -6
Here's an entertaining video I thought I'd post. Jim Stoppani is getting a little ticked off at the big name supplement companies out there. Just trying to spread the word and educate some people here guys.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 4, 2015 16:00:30 GMT -6
Here's an entertaining video I thought I'd post. Jim Stoppani is getting a little ticked off at the big name supplement companies out there. Just trying to spread the word and educate some people here guys. How can you be Cody from Gustin, ickes from the internet, and Jim Stoppani the supplement maker all at the same time?!
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Post by ickes on Mar 4, 2015 16:03:13 GMT -6
Here's an entertaining video I thought I'd post. Jim Stoppani is getting a little ticked off at the big name supplement companies out there. Just trying to spread the word and educate some people here guys. How can you be Cody from Gustin, ickes from the internet, and Jim Stoppani the supplement maker all at the same time?! lol...it's tough. Oh and you didn't mention, being that I'm Jim Stoppani, I also have a PhD and I'm a fitness model. I wear many different jeans.
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 4, 2015 18:24:10 GMT -6
I'm gonna try a "fat" burner. I've tried no caffeine and really didn't notice anything different. Now I'm going the other direction and try a "fat" burning supplement. Why not. Never really believed in them before but even if I get the slightest bump I'll be happy.
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Post by ickes on Mar 4, 2015 22:27:23 GMT -6
I'm gonna try a "fat" burner. I've tried no caffeine and really didn't notice anything different. Now I'm going the other direction and try a "fat" burning supplement. Why not. Never really believed in them before but even if I get the slightest bump I'll be happy. Brent you know what I'm going to recommend .
I was actually just about to post a review in the next few days of ShredJYM, Jim Stoppanis fat burner. I've been on it for about six weeks now and have seen great results. I know people may be rolling their eyes at me at this point because all I talk about and recommend are his products but I don't care. They absolutely work and I will recommend them all day long.
Anyways, I know that you of all people know that a fat burner isn't a magic pill and that you actually have to diet right and get your cardio in to see the results. I'll post a review later but to sum it up quick, in the 6 weeks I have been taking ShredJYM and upping my cardio and cutting a decent amount of fats out of my diet my waist has gone from just over 35" to just under 33 1/2".
So that's what I'd recommend, ShredJYM; www.bodybuilding.com/store/jym/shred-jym.html
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Post by brentkuz on Mar 5, 2015 13:32:48 GMT -6
Nice I'm gonna try one hopefully get help with appetite reduction. That's my biggest enemy.
My diet hasn't fell off but not as clean as it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:53:25 GMT -6
Nice I'm gonna try one hopefully get help with appetite reduction. That's my biggest enemy. My diet hasn't fell off but not as clean as it should be. Thought you were swearing off caffeine?
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